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• barnie4001 | Feb 07, 2013, 12:41 PM EST

  where are they going to go, ?? stay in ireland with a currupt government interest in only filling their pockets

• cuculin | Jan 16, 2013, 10:54 AM EST

  Seanmor don't waste the skin on your fingers typing another word. Woundedknee your a Woundedsoul and your last post speaks volumes about your attitude towards "The Irish". Because you have no sense of humor I will bet that you just didn't get that students joke, although sounds like a bit of story to me. Anyway your last point proved to me without doubt that you do in fact have a grudge against us and explains all your previous posts and one-sided views towards everything Irish. Your a sad , sad man and I truly pity you. By the way after living here in Canada now for 12 years or so I have met many many young people from many countries and as I said to you earlier all of them act the same way as the Irish who come to NA no matter what country they come from. I would rather a cheeky Irish lad who works his ass off than a lad or lads from another country who beats or rapes his wife or claims benefits or worse murders somebody for their cell phone! For the record I didn’t ask for any help from anybody as I didn’t need it and I don’t hang out with any specific group as I am a citizen of the world. By the way what were you teaching (Ya right I have never met a teacher as bitter as you! Not in a Uni anyway, your full of it) at Uni? How to hate the Irish based on a few casual meeting class? You must be really good at that class!

• Seanmor | Jan 15, 2013, 11:57 PM EST

  WoundK: I had very little contact with recent arrivals from Ireland in the '80s, except for a few from the North of that country who faithfully attened Gaelic League classes at the Presbyterian Church hall in Woodlawn, Bronx. However, 2 decades prior to that, I knew 8 or 9 of my former fellow parishioners in the the South of the homeland who served in the U.S. Army or National Guard while I was in the Marine Corps for 4 years. All of us serving in various branches of the military had entered the country with permanent visas and in full compliance with U.S immigration laws. However, I readly admit that none of us had one single strand of American DNA, which sone of my full-blooded American first cousins perceive as the reaon for their vast intellectual superiority over the likes of me and fellow inferior native Irish.

• WoundedKnee | Jan 15, 2013, 05:23 PM EST

  ancavker: I agree. In my case, I first came in contact with large numbers of Irish immigrants when I lived in Manhattan in the late 1980s. I found many of them to be quite unpleasant. They gave the impression of thinking they knew it all, even tho their knowledge of the US had been gleaned from watching Dallas and Starsky and Hutch back on Irish TV. They rarely had any curiosity about life outside their little Irish ghetto of Woodside or the West Bronx. Rather than spend a weekend traveling, maybe out into Pennsylvania or down to DC, they preferred to hang out and get drunk in their depressing Irish bars. Another memory I have is how quickly they adopted prejudices and ugly language. I can remember guys who were barely here a week but who were already coming out with the nastiest hate language and stupid stereotypes about black folks, Hispanics etc. And they always gave the impression of thinking that Irish Americans--maybe even Americans generally--were fools. Actually it was they who were the fools. They saw us as meal tickets or job tickets who could be lubricated with some nonsense about the ould sod. I started off wanting to help the Irish illegals of the time, but I soon saw that they weren't worth helping. The last contact I had with an Irish immigrant was a few years back. I was teaching at a university, and a young Irishman who was enrolled there came by to speak to me. Pointing out that I was Irish American, he suggested that he would take one of my courses provided I promised to give him an A "because he was Irish". I told him to get the phuc out of my office. I no longer live near a population of Irish immigrants, but my impression from what I read of Australia is that they haven't changed.

• Smyrnian | Jan 15, 2013, 05:12 PM EST

  Anyone who thinks the most highly educated people in Europe are "making way" to, and giving up jobs to, largely uneducated African and east Europeans simply has no clue. There is no educating someone with that mindset. They are simply leaving to find the job that matches their educational qualifications and or professional experience. They are not " giving up jobs" to the immigrants as they are not interested in low level jobs.

• ancavker | Jan 15, 2013, 04:52 PM EST

  STEVEN: True, but I can tell you there are a lot more young Irish in NYC today than you might think. And of course they turn to the Irish- Americans for help. They only love us when they need us!!

• cuculin | Jan 15, 2013, 04:19 PM EST

  Yawnnnnnnnn, keep your pittance as I dont kneed it and I an well aware of me lazeee typing and "lake" of gramer! I did however fail to mention one semi valid point you did happen to make(probably by accident)and that was the fact that there is a generation of spoilt Celtic Tiger cubs out there and they do come with an "I deserve it" attitude which is somewhat foreign to what I left in 2000 but it is what it is and I don't think that they are any different than any kids over here their age. Good thing about that generation is the fact that most of them have probably traveled more than you have and are willing to up sticks to improve their life at the drop of a hat. That my moany friend is an admirable trait and one which will ensure many more generations of Irish Dispora to come!

• WoundedKnee | Jan 15, 2013, 03:36 PM EST

  Cuculin--Will you help me with my "grammer"? I'l pay you-- at least a "pittens". Maybe I'll get to be as smart as your "furst" cousin!

• cuculin | Jan 15, 2013, 12:24 PM EST

  WoundedKnee, you poor auld soul. I am far from inarticulate, I just couldn't be bothered spellchecking and responding to your web and wiki based nonsense. Also while Honors Eng wasn’t my strongest class I am more than equipped when needed in that department to handle your hatred and nonsense. Again the only reason I come on here is to point out your Bigotry and racism which is funny as you are now trying to use those words on me. I would also like to point out for people here that it normally takes you an hour or more to respond which I assume gives you plenty time to check the web and wiki for your nonsense as well as make sure your posts and grammatically correct ( And by the way you have gotten much better since you started posting years ago) I can only assume posting here has helped your grammer and spelling dramatically. By the way, my young first cousin recently came 3 in Europe and 2 in Ireland in a super high level exam and is wanted by certain types of firms all over the world. He will no doubt (unlike you) contribute something worthwhile to humanity in some way shape or form and I was wondering should he and his buddy have stayed back in Ireland and compete for a job in our local pub for pittens??? just to satisfy apes like you and those trolls running that Facebook page???? Don’t bother answering as I don’t want to hear your answer and by the way I love Croatians and have many Croatian friends here in Canada I play Football( Soccer) with. Fact is you’re an amadan plain and simple and its people like you who make this world the sad place it is today. Ireland has always been a land of emigration and always will.

• WoundedKnee | Jan 15, 2013, 11:54 AM EST

  One of the defects of this site (apart from the presence of racists and inarticulate bigots like cuculiln) is that many posters think they are debating when they are actually only refuting some piece of nonsense that they themselves invented. Specifically, below we have people "defending" the right of Irish people to travel wherever they like. But no one is questioning that, you dopes! Only Cuba and North Korea (that I know of) restrict citizens' overseas travel, and even Cuba is on the point of dismantling its laws in this respect. What is at issue is the demographic time bomb caused by the departure of young Irish from their homeland, an exodus unlike any in Irish history, since for the first time it is simultaneous with a vast movement of settlers into the country. The Irish are predicted to be an ethnic minority in their own homeland by as early as 2040--they are already outnumbered in vast tracts of West Dublin. In this regard the poster smyrian is quite wrong when he speaks of the Irish emigrants "making room" for the Irish left behind. Nonsense, smyrnian! They are making room for the foreign migrants who are flooding in every week, some five or six thousand per month. And more to follow, because the Irish "government" is going to make it even easier for non-EU to immigrate there, while the impending entry of Croatia and other countries in the EU means Ireland will be flooded by a tsunami of Croatians. Mighty neighborly of the Irish to make room for the "New Irish", isn't it?

• darragh S | Jan 15, 2013, 10:48 AM EST

  Weird!

• cuculin | Jan 15, 2013, 09:06 AM EST

  Woundedknee.....you amadawn. The reason I didn’t make any specific retort is because your a twit. I couldn’t be arsed responing to your pure and utter tripe other than to call you out for the being the idiot you are. You are so predictable, every time IC puts up an article your up in a flash and normally one of the fist two three posters spouting your racist crap and using any web stats or facts you can find to back up your garbage. You use that one trip you made to Ireland as your reference point for everything and use Wiki for the rest. I don’t know if you were beat up by an Irish lad as a kid or if a big sturdy Irish male stole your wife or your blame the Irish slaves in the front lines for taking your ancestors land, but whatever it is you have a beef for sure and it is real old after 4 years of it. Give it a rest you tool and by the way I am in Oakville, On and you can visit me anytime you wish to discuss further over a nice pint of Guinness, although I can’t promise that the Guinness wont end up over your head! Slan

• Smyrnian | Jan 15, 2013, 06:49 AM EST

  Cillowen - we understand it all too well; far better than you could.

• cillowen | Jan 14, 2013, 10:41 PM EST

  it is not too surprising that ireland continues being the source of livestock for momma's commonwealth. That's where they are directed as like the days of England's human trafficking - from Cromwell, on, to be repeated time and again - never figuring as to reason why. People don't know stuff. The first slaves to the Caribbean were Irish - before blacks were introduced there - people need to bone up on history to properly appreciate the 2013 gathering.

• cillowen | Jan 14, 2013, 10:26 PM EST

  being mostly southies I'd imagine - they did'nt have the heart to confront the sharks who caused them pain as like when failing to have done when northern brothers were being mowed down on the streets while challenging the apartheid rule in that uker sliver - a sick that keeps on giving.

• STEVENSTAR | Jan 14, 2013, 05:54 PM EST

  I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THE MAJORITY OF IRISH WHO LEFT THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS DID NOT GOTO AMERICA THEY WENT TO THE UK, AUSTRALIA, CANADA AND NEW ZEALAND.... ALSO IF PEOPLE WANT TO LEAVE AND TRAVEL THEN THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO THAT... ITS NOBODY ELSES BUSINESS... IF YOUR BORN IN IRELAND THEN YOUR IRISH AND THATS YOUR HOME NO MATTER WHERE YOU LIVE IN THE WORLD..

• Smyrnian | Jan 14, 2013, 05:53 PM EST

  Ancavker - I did not say ALL. Please see my post again.

• ancavker | Jan 14, 2013, 04:43 PM EST

  smyrian: That is not true. There are a lot of low level jobs done by non-Lationos in the U.S.

• eiriamach | Jan 14, 2013, 04:42 PM EST

  WoundedKnee, you have no idea what a "faulty generalization" is, right? Have you lost your way to Wikipedia?

• WoundedKnee | Jan 14, 2013, 03:48 PM EST

  Angrypaddy: Your tone is a bit acerbic for me, and probably makes the genteel bigots on this site (take a bow, eiriamach) swoon. But you're often dead right. I;m not a Facebook user, but earlier today I did get access to that site described above. What struck me was the standard of the attacks on the site posted by Irish people living overseas, Australia in particular. They were uniformly illiterate and full of foul language. There was no pretense of logical argument--only invective and abuse. I guess in that respect they resembled posters here such as cuculin. Are you posting from a bar in Australia by any chance, Cuculin?

• WoundedKnee | Jan 14, 2013, 03:42 PM EST

  Eiriamach, you've equaled your buddy cuculin in your inability to offer one substantive point to refute what I say. Combined total of two posts--zero substantive arguments. Just one, pretty please? Or is empty abuse all you have to offer? Come on, give us just one paragraph on why it is a good idea for the Irish ruling class to import cheap labor from abroad, right at the time when Ireland's young people are leaving in throngs. Good for Ireland, that is, not good for the Irish ruling class. I know you won't be able to, because Evangelical Protestants such as you are always on the side of the bosses. I've even seen it in Latin America, where evangelical Protestants provided ideological cover for right-wing death quads in Guatemala. Your ilk, I guess. Anyway, how about that paragraph. Provisional Title--"Why I (and the Irish ruling class) want Irish nationality and ethnicity to die by Mid-century". And, to any other Mass Immigrationists out there, since eiriamach will prove unable to marshal a cogent argument how about you have a shot?

• eiriamach | Jan 14, 2013, 03:24 PM EST

  WoundedKnee, I won't repeat cuculin's suggestion that you stop posting on IC, but only because I abhor censorship. Nonetheless, cuculin is certainly right to point out that you do nothing but "spout anti-Irish (almost racist) comments." What hypocrisy it is then, for you to accuse cuculin of "not ONE substantive point." What "substantive point" have you made with your appallingly careless generalizations (faulty generalization is the informal fallacy of logic most often used by bigots) and your streams of invective? You've become a stereotype! So at least have the decency to lie about where you live so that the Irish, Australians, Canadians and others who read your garbage will not think of Irish-descended Americans as unable to shift their brains into any gear but bigotry.

• WoundedKnee | Jan 14, 2013, 02:58 PM EST

  Cuculin, you're right. You don't post here very often but when you do your posts are truly stupid. Specifically, in your curent clumsy attack on me you make not ONE substantive point in riposte to my argument. Not ONE. So I'll repeat if for you, you dope. There are lots of jobs in Ireland. Maybe you're too lazy or too illiterate to get one, though that's hard to believe, since people even walk right in from Angola or Latvia or Pakistan and get jobs in Ireland. Open your eyes and don't be such a fool.

• Searlit | Jan 14, 2013, 11:02 AM EST

  I think they're a bunch of trolls running that site, too. Don't pay they any mind.

• cuculin | Jan 14, 2013, 10:59 AM EST

  Woundedknee, how many times do I have to come on here to reprimand you for the nonsense you insist on posting. I try and stay away from comments as most are utter tripe but when I saw your splendid pile of garbage this morning I had to log in just to blast you. You have no clue about what happened or is happening in Ireland other than what you can gather from here or the net. All you ever do is come on here and spout anti Irish (almost racist) comments and I am totally sick of it. I wish IC would ban you altogether so they rest of us wouldn’t have to read your bull. As I said before do us all a favor and go outside and play with the traffic.

• merefalow | Jan 14, 2013, 10:51 AM EST

  THERE ARE NO INDIVIDUAL COUNTRIES LEFT,DONT YOUGET IT.there is just one big land mass known as the EU.And anyone from any backwater in it can flood in,take the housing,unemployment,hospitalisation,jobs,etc etc etc.and just wait until Turkey and RUMANIA join the feed,To whose benefit is all this,not the working class for sure,but the banks,big business and the unification of a massive super state,GET OUT OF AND REGAIN YOUR INDEPENDENCE AND CONTROL OF YOUR OWN NATION IF ITS NOT TO LATE.

• Frosty38 | Jan 14, 2013, 09:39 AM EST

  As I said before. I live in Summerfield fl. where talk about job takers. When you go the stores and restaurants. You see more seniors then young folks so it happens in everything. They take the baggers at the stores and waiters at the Mcdonalds and ect and every other one. Like I said before the western Europeans take lower pay and the irish are not waiting on the visitors. Also I think that effected the move to the USA

• biggles008 | Jan 14, 2013, 09:00 AM EST

  I agree 100% with IrishRyan .If they didn't leave we could not afford to give them money.

• Smyrnian | Jan 14, 2013, 08:36 AM EST

  "In their “About” section they state “take down your tri colors that you fly so proudly in the foreign lands, remove your county color jerseys that you wear to show your "support" for your country, because you abandoned her when she needed you most!!” Who did the abandoning? The Irish government and irresponsible property investors and policy making bankers destroyed the immediate future for this generation and beyond. THEY abandoned their citizens.

• Smyrnian | Jan 14, 2013, 07:31 AM EST

  Woundedknee - so how come almost all the menial jobs in the US are occupied by Latinos???? Again. II make the point that if you want to stay in Ireland and fight with Poles, Pakistanis and assorted east Euro types then do so. If you want to put your education to use and want a better life then leave because THAT is your only option. Been there and done that. If you experienced MY options back in the day, WKnee, you would have a different perspective. Then there were NO jobs, today there are some lower level jobs but the "option" is the same. PS what's with the anger thing?

• angrypaddy | Jan 14, 2013, 12:33 AM EST

  There is nothing special or courage needed to buy an Airline ticket

• angrypaddy | Jan 14, 2013, 12:29 AM EST

  No body wants these travelling drunken Celtic Tiger spoiled Cub's they are no loss or gain to any country

• Portia_O'Neill | Jan 13, 2013, 08:19 PM EST

  It takes a lot of courage and spirit of adventure to emigrate. Their critics are will shut up when the emigrants send money back to Ireland.

• eiriamach | Jan 13, 2013, 06:57 PM EST

  As long as they're working and not robbing banks, economic refugees should receive a welcome, here and back home (I hope they can return home, with pockets jingling, as they used to say).

• WoundedKnee | Jan 13, 2013, 03:57 PM EST

  Smyrnian: "Menial jobs"??? Americans don't look down on jobs like janitor, security guard, hotel receptionist, retail, waiter, barman, truck driver etc etc. as "menial". They're decent honorable ways to make a buck, and millions of good Americans raise families thru those jobs. But according to you the Irish are too good for that kind of work. So the Irish think they're better than us? Well Excuse Me! A nickel looking down on a quarter!

• WoundedKnee | Jan 13, 2013, 03:51 PM EST

  IrishRyan: What you say is nonsense. If there were no jobs in Ireland why are people streaming into Ireland from all over the world? I know a lot of them are going for the welfare, but a lot are looking to work. I am a regular visitor to Ireland. Whenever I stay in an Irish hotel I see no Irish person working there, in bar, reception, restaurant or wherever. I might as well be in Moldova. When I go shopping, particularly to the Pennys department store, nearly all the sales clerks are foreign, and all of the security guards (why are there so many?) are foreign migrants. And most of these are not even EU, they look like Indians or Paks. I took a long-distance bus last time and the driver seemed to be Polish. Even when the plane from Newark arrives at Dublin Airport and the door opens, the first voice you hear welcoming you to Dublin and telling you where to go pick up your bag is an African or a Russian. So there's no Irish person smart enough to be able to grab a microphone and give that message? There are lots of jobs in Ireland. The ironic thing is that the ones who leave Ireland wind up doing the very same jobs that they turned down when they were at home, sometimes even worse. Those people who left Ireland were perfectly entitled to do so, but I can see where that Facebook page is coming from--the Irish are like tumbleweed, they are blown everywhere and have no roots.

• Will Hamilton | Jan 13, 2013, 02:58 PM EST

  That's a bit like the inmates of a lunatic asylum telling those who've made it out that they can't come back in.

• IrishRyan | Jan 13, 2013, 12:27 PM EST

  This is a disgraceful facebook page, one o this has very very little support in ireland. Dont these people realize that theres NO JOBS in ireland? Maybe the people who made this facebook page were lucky enough to get a job but alot of others werent so lucky. Unemployment is 14% in ireland, now that would be ALOT higher if people didnt use the brains in their heads and moved abroad to find work, it would be around the same levels as Spain and Greece. The person who made this facebook page should be ashamed of themselves, you dont represent ireland, you may think you do but you certainly dont. My two cousins left for Australia, they work as motor mechanics. They searched for a very long time for work but just couldnt find any, so instead of draining the benefits system here, they took the courage to LEAVE THEIR HOME AND FAMILIES and relocate to austraila. Do you think that was easy for them to do? No. Any person, irish or of irish heritage, WILL be welcomed back to Ireland.

• WoundedKnee | Jan 13, 2013, 12:08 PM EST

  This Facebook group has a point. There is something unseemly about the way the Irish so thoughtlessly abandon their country. We had high unemployment here a couple years back--don't remember huge numbers of Americans emigrating! Anyway, the whole unemployment argument is bogus--there are lots of jobs in Ireland.

• crny925 | Jan 13, 2013, 10:08 AM EST

  Begrudge much!