Israel has a right to exist and defend itself Dublin rally told

frankie...excellent point. But why did Israel try to sink the Liberty? There are those who would tell you that the Liberty, being an intelligence ship, heard the radio transmissions of Israeli forces marching through the Sinai toward Cairo asking what to do with the 1,000 Egyptian troops that had surrendered to them. They also heard the reply: kill them. That begs the question, what number of murders constitutes the necessary limit to qualify as genocide or, if you will, a Holocaust? The intentional murder of defenseless people just might make it hard for you to play your "Holocaust Card" whenever you felt like it. But maybe not.

with even more respect, the only ones who destablised the region were the israelis,and attacked anyone who got in their way, tell that to the familys and survivors of the U.S.S liberty,? the israelis created terrorism before it was heard off, and are using ( what only can be described as) nazi tactics against the people of palestine! wake up and smell the coffee

Frankieblo. With respect they will just ask the people right back if being honest. "do you want the cheap oil or not" ? The region is not allowed to become destabalised under any circumstances.

hello, my congratulations to the people of palestine on their victory at the U.N.! shame on the U.S.A for not showing the courage and humanity to vote YES! the jewish lobby on capital hill got their demands?, to the people of america who are having hard times to make ends meet, have no jobs,facing cutbacks in welfare,and having a long way to recovery!HAVE to ask the questions! while we do without! why is the U.S.A bankrolling billions in aid every year to the israelis, sending billions of dollars in military aid every year ,WHILE americans find it hard to survive! would these billions of dollars not be better off in american pockets? would it not create jobs ,better infrastructure etc? so ask the white house to explain this ! and demand an end to conflict in the middle east thank you frankie dutton

Eamon you're exacerbating you condone the slaughter by your own very words. "I stand by Israel" therefore you agree with their illegal murders and land stealing.

Smyrnian. I can find no reason for the indiscriminate targetting of young children by a any country who posess weapons of the calibre Isreal hold via the USA and others. But hey, perhaps their parents danced the streets in celebration of 9/11

Seán, Have some pride, man! Please don't become as pillocky as the guys on the site who will twist anything to have a go. Where on earth have you seen me say that I "condone the slaughter of the innocent". I won't bother to address the pillocks on here, they're just pathetic. Éamonn.

So you do condone the slaugter of the innocent by the Terrorist IDF Eamonn. As for Egypt I will delay ansewering on that point. I have a sneeking suspicion that the Army and the pro Murbarak forces are behind this charade, all will be clear as soon as the propoganda machines loses traction. A fine disertation pcon.

Eamonn- You must do something about your temper son.

"Wounded Knee" - You missed the important piece once again. "Whenever I debated for a point WHICH I KNEW WAS A LOSER"! Normally, you can be possibly excused for missing the nuance, but this time it's not just nuance, it's hitting you straight in the face and you still don't get it. Did you hurt your head as well? This board should be closed down, it's full of brute force ignorant, lower orders personnel, peasant attitudes, racism, sneering, domineering, pathetic, infantile, gormless, hobos - and that's just me. The rest are even worse. Éamonn.

EamonDublin: " I spoke total rubbish in a meaningless fashion"... You haven't changed much.

"Pcon" - Whenever I debated for a point which I knew was a loser in college, I spoke total rubbish in a meaningless fashion, in order that the opposition could not possibly comprehend - for the simple reason that it was both incomprehensible and gibberish. Your piece below brings back many happy memories. Thank you! Éamonn, Dublin.

Seamus - Get a grip, man. What on earth are you trying to say?

What authority bestows rights upon nations? Are we talking about something like the Divine Right of Kings? The US Declaration of Independence states that, "...Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed..." Clearly, the Palestinians do not consent to Israeli occupation, or "Jewish"-supremacist rule. Israel has no right to exist, any more than did the Third Reich. All the people in the territory occupied by Israel do have inalienable rights, which Israel transgresses as it transgresses international law. A thief may have a right to exist, but deserves incarceration. A murderer has no right to exist, having negated that very right for some other person(s).

Who decides whether a nation has a right to exist and consequently defend itself? What happens when two such states claim the same geographical territory? Who gets to decide? While you can't have one semitic tribe wandering in the Negev desert for 40 yrs or more, you can't have another semitic tribe being forced to do so consequently. Just as 64% of ROI citizens hope for a united Ireland, so too do many of us hope to see a united Palesrael/Israstine!