Irish women speak out in anger over their abortions in Britain
Babies had no chance of life but they were forced to go to Britain
Published Thursday, April 19, 2012, 8:18 AM
Updated Thursday, April 19, 2012, 8:40 AM
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DanOLoingsigh | Apr 22, 2012, 12:04 AM EDT
seanomelb - so when will the SC ruling be reflected in law? Who can do this...only spineless politicos!!
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seanomelb | Apr 21, 2012, 08:22 PM EDT
Playing the blame game and deriding politicians or attacking Ireland's moral compass in such sensitive matters is counter productive and meaningless.
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DanOLoingsigh | Apr 21, 2012, 05:07 PM EDT
The Irish Supreme Court ruled in 1992 that abortion was lawful if the mother's life was at risk. This judgement has not been codified into law, due to weak- kneed politicians, but it still stands...fortunately for the legislators most who need abortions can just take the plane to ‘godless England’, thus preserving the myth of Irelands moral superiority…you can be sure that people ‘in the know’ will always obtain terminations for their partners and daughters, but who speaks for the ‘X’ case girl or little Anne Lovett?
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Nicoletta | Apr 21, 2012, 10:32 AM EDT
seanomelb, thanks for your considered reply. I have heard several people who were the result of a rape speak. They overwhelmingly are so thankful that their mothers chose to have them. One woman, Pam Stenzel I think, who was adopted, says that she would love to meet her mother to thank her for allowing her to live.
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seanomelb | Apr 21, 2012, 08:05 AM EDT
That's very true Nicoletta many women are forced into abortions and many women are forced to have babies.As I stated before I personally do not believe in abortion(most cases)for very personal reasons.Why must a raped women or pubescent child not have a right to a termination they are certainly not babies "made in heaven".AS for using contraception,the pill,condoms,RU486 and other methods to prevent pregnancy is surely more acceptable than returning to the good old days of forced poverty due to ridiculously large families and makes for a better society.I'm not quite with you Nicoletta although we can agree on some points.Regards
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Nicoletta | Apr 20, 2012, 09:12 PM EDT
seanomelb, I appreciate the politeness of your comment. I was aware that abortion is illegal in both the north and south. Any doctor will tell you that life begins at conception. Therefore you will know that the killing of that life at any stage is gravely wrong, if your conscience is well-formed. Many poor women are pressured by boyfriends, families or circumstances to have an abortion and come to bitterly regret it as their conscience kicks in and they realize the gravity of what they have done. Namely, had their own child killed or even killed it themselves now, using the abhorrent RU486 drug. Lord have mercy on us all.
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IrelandNorth | Apr 20, 2012, 08:31 AM EDT
If it's up to a woman to decide whether to have an abortion or not does the fertilised ovum/embryo/fetus/baby not have a say in the matter? Down with Matriarchy! Down with Feminist tyranny! Life begins at Conception! The Nazi's tried Eugenics. It didn't work! Avoid abortion - practice immaculate contraception [coitus interruptus] now. Sexual continence for all - practice White Tantra now!
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STEVENSTAR | Apr 20, 2012, 07:40 AM EDT
@@@@@ciaradexy | Apr 19, 2012, 04:30 PM EDT
Steven, women dont get themselves pregnant so maybe you should be telling men to put a rubber on it?>>>>>>>>>> HOW ABOUT PUT A RUBBER OVER YOUR MOUTH DEAR!! YOUR GETTIHG FAR TOO MOUTHY FOR MY LIKING !!!
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seanomelb | Apr 20, 2012, 02:25 AM EDT
Nicoletta abortion is not legal in Ireland. The problem is the moral justification for abortion.Then we have the scientific notions on when a fetus is legal person,all very complex and as a stated it's someone else's conscience not yours or mine do we have the right to make decisions for others.Then there are the backyard abortions putting lives in danger.I am reminded at this stage of Ireland's most famous case "the nurse Cadden affair" nurse Cadden was an illegal abortionist to the rich and famous in Ireland.Nurse Cadden was found guilty and sentenced to death(Commuted) mentally unfit she was committed to an insane asylum and conveniently died allegedly from a heart attack.
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sirpeter | Apr 19, 2012, 09:01 PM EDT
They can never say the babies had no chance.Even if the child has a million to one chance.It's still a chance.Unless where a real and substantial risk to the life of the pregnant woman exists I cannot condone abortion.There obviously was no substantial risk to the life of the women.So they can get angry all they want I will never vote for abortion.
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Nicoletta | Apr 19, 2012, 07:39 PM EDT
Seanomelb, i used to be of the same mind as you but if you consider what abortion really is, the killing of an unborn child, how can that ever be legally justifiable?
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Nicoletta | Apr 19, 2012, 07:17 PM EDT
Francisquinn, when I was pregnant with my son he kicked so hard in the womb that my ribs were sore. He once managed to kick a cup and saucer off my stomach! At just 6 weeks old I believe, an unborn child' heart is beating regularly. At 12 weeks, even the fingernails and toenails have appeared. The baby can move around and even suck his thumb!
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seanomelb | Apr 19, 2012, 06:47 PM EDT
I do not believe in abortion(in most cases).I also believe that I have no right to interfere with the decisions made on abortion by others ,it's their conscience and I'm sure a difficult decision to make.
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ciaradexy | Apr 19, 2012, 04:30 PM EDT
Steven, women dont get themselves pregnant so maybe you should be telling men to put a rubber on it?
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