A Labour Party politician, Ciara Conway, has called it “barbaric” that women have to travel to Great Britain to have abortions. She blamed successive Governments that had “no appetite” to face up to the Supreme Court ruling made 20 years ago.
Conway said she would prefer if the Labour Party had legislated for the “X Case”, in accordance to their pre-election promise, instead of setting up a review group.
The “X Case” became infamous internationally. A suicidal 14-year-old girl was raped and became pregnant. She was prevented, by the High Court, from leaving Ireland to have an abortion.
The Supreme Court overturned that ruling which meant abortions in limited circumstances were also but it was not legislated for. In 2010 the European Court of Human Rights called for Ireland to clarify in what cases abortion in Ireland is allowed.
Conway told the Irish Examiner “My own personal preference would have been that we would have legislated for it. But that’s not the case so I am prepared to wait and to see what way the review group will report back.”
She said she plans to wait for the group’s findings to be released instead of voting for a the opposition motion due in Parliament next week.
The Labour Party politician believes legislation in Irish Parliament, rather than a referendum.
“The reality is that thousands of women every year have abortions and they have them in the UK. And they have them on their own, without support with very little follow up," she said.
Conway and Anne Ferris, also a Labour Party politician, are the only Government members who have joined a campaign group called Action on X Alliance. The group is made up of academics, NGOs and oppositions TDs.
She said “It’s very difficult as a professional to know how to advise or how to give information, it’s unclear for people.”
Conway spoke of the “fear and worry” women go though. She said “I was 20 when I got pregnant. I was in my final year in college. Everybody has this feeling of ‘oh my god how am I going to tell my parents’ and it’s a huge anxiety," she said.
"I chose to have my daughter and I’m very happy and delighted with my decision. But not all women or girls could do that. I think we should be allowed to have that choice. In terms of being a human being, I think it’s just barbaric to think that we would send people over the water.
"It’s an Irish solution to an Irish problem."
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Switch to the desktop site to post a comment.sirpeter | May 01, 2012, 06:57 AM EDT
AMWilson.That's a very good post."Lack of access to a barbaric practice is itself called "barbaric".
AMWilson | May 01, 2012, 02:13 AM EDT
Ah yes, you know we're hitting a paradigm shift when lack of access to a barbaric practice is itself called "barbaric". Conway cheapens the very word "barbaric" in the same sense that a New Yorker would say that "it's barbaric that a decent cup of coffee can't be had in this town", or a Roman would say that "it's barbaric that we have to walk all the way to the outskirts of the city to dispose of our unwanted children". I realize that Ireland cannot go back to be being the land of Kerry Babies and brutal orphanages, but I don't see abortion-on-demand as being any more civilized, only a little tidier.
sirpeter | Apr 26, 2012, 08:42 AM EDT
Ah!! Fallsers.It started with the civil rights marchers and they didn't get any rights which ended with any chance of peace going out the window after Bloody Sunday.If they gave in to some demands they might have been a chance of peace.Fact is there should have been no need for civil rights marches.So whose fault was that?!!No matter what way you cut it.The Prods were discriminating against Catholics.If that can't be acknowledged what's the point.
FallsRNat | Apr 22, 2012, 02:14 PM EDT
yeah, they stopped NI with a massive strike in 1974, that's 6 years after we had the chance of peace, the 60s civil rights marhces had both catholics & prods leading them, all bets were off when PIRA started their campaign.
sirpeter | Apr 22, 2012, 01:25 PM EDT
Iraq's dictator was the CIA's golden boy and helped into power and they were happy to have him, until he went rogue on the US.And he didn't fall.He was bombed out of power.The fall out was the million dead Seamus."we had Unionists willing to "contemplate" power sharing.*Rolls eyes.Seamus in Wonderland.Come on it's time to wake up.The mad hatter Orangemen contemplate power sharing.Yeah right!!They stopped NI with a mass strike.
FallsRNat | Apr 20, 2012, 01:00 PM EDT
if youse actually read the post & digested it for 5 mins, instead of going into 1 of your usual rants, you'll have know that i was simply pointing out that Iraq's dictator was murdering his people long before the US hove into view, are the allies responsible for 1m casualities of course not, when a dictator falls, there is always political fallout as 1 group has always ruled at the behest of everybody else. 1968 was such a year for NI, but Gezza & his buddies wanted to extend the war, 1 last push, he likes to compare himself to Nelson Mandela, but if he had half a brain & given peace a chance he could have compared himself to Martin Luther King, this man achieved much more for black americans then Malcolm X or all the other violent types, we had Unionists willing to contemplate power sharing, gone in at instance when PIRA started their war, so sirpeter, get youse head ouuta your arse & admit it, are the brits solely to blame for the Troubles, of course not, peace was there for the taking, but the Irish republican movement blew it (no pun intended) & resorted to their base animal instinct & here we are older, wiser, more disunited than ever, well thanks gezza
sirpeter | Apr 19, 2012, 10:05 PM EDT
Fallsers.You see you are making excuses.You say not for 1 moment am I condoning the actions of our western leaders.BUT!!!!!So there's a but.Well as long as the million dead were not exactly a peace loving nation/people.It's ok to put a BUT!!there.I guess NI aren't a peace loving people either.Plenty killing and rioting up there over the years.The PIRA and the UVF says BUT!!You're talking sh*t Seamus.So if you are elected in America you have a right to sanction the killing of innocent people in Iraq?Either you agree to killing innocent people or not.By your definition the million people deserved to be killed.Because you in all your wisdom decided they were not peace loving enough.If you kill innocent people what is that called?
FallsRNat | Apr 19, 2012, 07:28 PM EDT
sirpeter - every life is sacred & shouldn't be ended by a gun or bomb just because youse don't agree with another's point of view, we have learnt this lesson very harshly in Ireland. As for Iraq, yes I agree the 'trumped' up charges by Bush & Blair were very tenuous for the invasion of Iraq & the subsequent civil war that followed, i'm not for 1 moment condoning the actions of our western leaders, but genocide was wreaked on the Kurdish/Shia communities by Saddam long before the US invaded, so they weren't exactly a peace loving nation. Nearly 1m were killed in the longest war of the 20th century when Iraq invaded Iran. The core difference between youse & me is that you do buy into the theory that non elected terrorists of a particular hue like PIRA can be classed as freedom fighters, but UVF etc who don't subscribe to your views are terrorists, my view is that both groups regardless of political/religious views are terrorists & conflicts like Ireland can only be resolved through the ballot box as happened in the GFA agreement.
sirpeter | Apr 18, 2012, 09:20 PM EDT
Fallsers.Ok!.So calling people Billy Boys who have a "tradition" against Catholics isn't very nice.I suppose I should be more understanding.Because after all it means something to them.Maybe there is more to it that I don't know.You make a neutral statement like both sides are starting to realise the value of peace.That's good to know.Peace is good.Killing is not so good.You call me insane.You call the people who fly planes into buildings terrorist's.But what do you call people with unbelievable weaponry that bomb a million innocent people to their death in Iraq?A million people Seamus.Not 3500 over 30 years in NI.But a million men,women and children in Iraq alone over a few years.Are they all terrorists??When you kill a million innocent people by bombing them.Is that not a terrorist act? Just give a yes or no answer Seamus.
FallsRNat | Apr 18, 2012, 06:47 PM EDT
sirpeter - youse are not thinking out of the box by referring to everybody as a billy boy, forget these cheap remarks, the issue here is freedom of choice for a woman to have an abortion, that should be her right & she shouldn't be held to account for it, as for remarksn for PIRA where, in your little world of insanity, I cannot see how the loyalists who were fighting against our nationalist community could possibly be held to account for their own murderous actions as they were fighting to stop being ruled by another country who decries everything about their faith, religion, politics, al qaeda who flew planes into buildings or any other terrorist act in history would be justifiable by your standards, thankfully back in the real world where the normal people live, we say no to violence to achieve political ends, we are enjoying peace here for the 1st time in a generation & both sides are starting to realise the value of peace & who the real heroes of the working class are & it's not PIRA or the UVF, most of these guys have made a lot of money from the troubles & are living in their cosy mansions, far from the day to day lives of their own communities. Youse can keep Adams, PSF are starting to distance themselves from him here in the North as they are seeing a resurgence of the SDLP & all their talk of 'they haven't gone away you know' is backfiring on them in the voters minds.
sirpeter | Apr 18, 2012, 05:08 PM EDT
Ciara.Of course your life is sacred.It's not that I am against abortion.As I already said if the child is a genuine risk to the mother's life.Then I consider her choice to abort as self-defence.That is perfectly moral and understandable in my opinion.The reason I speak out strongly about all life been equally sacred is because some people AND governments do not VALUE everybody the same.In China millions of female babies are aborted in favour of males and the one child system.The power of women IN GENERAL is the fact they influence children and rear them.As in China due to high population.Men are and have coerced women to have abortions in there millions against their will or have their benefits cut.I believe there will be massive poverty in the Western world sooner or later due to jobs going to slave labour countries.We do not want governments to persuade women to abort their babies because governments do not want to support unmarried mothers.You might think that's a load of crap.But it's already happening.In reality women are not treated equally around the world by men.A simple example of this in the Ireland of to-day is the huge amount of unmarried mothers.Highest in Europe.They are depending on the government for support.When that ends and it will.Most unmarried women won't have a choice.Because most women cannot house and feed a few kids without the support of a man or the support of the government.If abortion becomes legal.Government will say to unmarried mothers you have an alternative.I can see future scenarios like this,and I don't want it happening.
ciaradexy | Apr 18, 2012, 12:45 PM EDT
Back to abortion lads!!! Its my right to decide whether or not I carry a pregnancy to term. Sirpete, you mentioned all life being sacred. Well to me, my life is sacred so if i decide that I was to abort then that is my right. What about the right to life of the already born?
sirpeter | Apr 17, 2012, 06:27 PM EDT
Fallsers.That's you're opinion.If you don't get it there's nothing new about that.Why would I berate the PIRA? Some war is morally justified.If you are removing a tyrant NI government backed by a tyrant Brit army for example.Killing in self defense is also morally justified ect.This argument is about abortion not about the conflict in NI.The world doesn't revolve around where you live at all.It's also not about been Catholic or Protestant.You are entitled to your opinion.I'm entitled to mine.At least I can think outside the box and that's what my comment was about.If it isn't about NI you have nothing to say.Look at the crap below typed by allan07.He presumes I'm a Catholic.Because he thinks every Protestant is a Billy boy and would never say the things I do.
FallsRNat | Apr 17, 2012, 02:53 PM EDT
sirpeter - is it april 1st, youse of all people, a fully paid up member with seano of PIRA berating pro abortion, pity youse didn't berate the Provies for their anti pro life policies in the troubles, i nearly fell off my stool in the pub laughing at such rubbish expoused below its the woman's choice if she has an abortion & she should be allowed to do so without fear or retribution.
allan07 | Apr 17, 2012, 02:47 PM EDT
@sirpeter you probably think its all anti-Catholic. No doubt you will blame the Rev Ian and the British Government for implanting ideas and beliefs in their minds. I am sure you will argue that pregnant women should stay at home and continue to have as many children as possible. Why not? After all no-one was to blame were they? I am sure my mother taught me it takes two to tango! In any event you will blame anyone except the adults whom created the problem. How about blaming the Rev Ian and the British government. Why not? I lost some money on the Grand National at the weekend and i also blamed the British Government for allowing betting to be legal. If all else fails blame the British Government. It all seems logical to me.
sirpeter | Apr 16, 2012, 11:04 PM EDT
I think people who are pro-abortion miss the point.It's not just about a woman's right to choice.It's about keeping all life sacred.It's about speaking up for those who cannot speak and for those who are vulnerable.Dress it up anyway you like,it is taking another persons life.Abortion steps over the line and opens up other possibilities that might become human practice in the future.Euthanasia sounds like a good idea for those who are very old and sick.They have no future anyway.Hang on!!Might as well add anybody with a terminal illness.Parents with severely retarded children,let's give them a choice too to kill as well.They can't be coping with that hardship.OK!!OK!!We'll add any child who will never be self sufficient.Unfair on parents to have that burden.They need a life too.I'm just thinking euthanasia for everyone at 70.That would be very good now that the world is over populated.I mean they are taking up resources at this stage.We could get people to except that 70 is the end.It's for the greater good we could tell them.A nice ceremony and a quick injection.Lovely way to go.WOW! I have another great idea.We could really improve the level of intelligence of the world if we tested kids IQ.Dispose of the rest.Stupid thickos!! What?? Ye don't agree with me testing your kids IQ? But if they don't have a high enough IQ they will be an inconvenience to society.Very sorry but it's the law now.These children can't be a burden on our limited resources.That's right MOTHER it's still your choice to have kids or not.But this is the year 3012 not the year 2012.The law decides who lives and dies now.Unless you have 100,000 Euro-Dollars per child.
STEVENSTAR | Apr 16, 2012, 07:32 PM EDT
@@@BrianO | Apr 16, 2012, 09:59 AM EDT Steven star do you have a view on the subject?>>>>>>>> I HAVE A VIEW AND MY VIEW IS GIVEN THE FACT WE LIVE IN THE YEAR 2012 WHERE PEOPLE ARE EDUCATED & HAVE THE OPTION TO DECIDE TO BUY CONDOMS AND BIRTH CONTROL, I THINK ABORTING A CHILD AND DESTROYING LIFE IS WRONG... AND FOR ANYONE THAT WOULD GO AHEAD AND DO THAT I ONLY HAVE PITY FOR YOU AS TO HOW YOU CAN LIVE WITH YOURSELF AFTER YOU HAVE DONE IT...
ciaradexy | Apr 16, 2012, 05:19 PM EDT
Ah I love snow! Its my favourite weather. Im having second thoughts here.
Curitiba | Apr 16, 2012, 05:13 PM EDT
I'll be looking out for the postman while I'm building my snowman, Ciara.
ciaradexy | Apr 16, 2012, 04:44 PM EDT
Curitiba, I'll send you a post card from each destination in December!
ciaradexy | Apr 16, 2012, 04:37 PM EDT
Well said Sparklet, its not up to us to tell women what they can or cannot do with their womb. If we do, we reduce them solely to the role of incubator.
Curitiba | Apr 16, 2012, 04:36 PM EDT
Holidays and road trips, or nappies and nightshifts? A tough choice, for sure!
Sparklet | Apr 16, 2012, 04:34 PM EDT
Ciara, I work in a mat/gynae hospital too. :) I don't share your views, but have learned over the years to respect your right to them, and even tho I'd prefer it if they did, I can totally understand why some women don't feel able to go through with a pregnancy.
ciaradexy | Apr 16, 2012, 04:34 PM EDT
Oh but George, you want Irish people having kiddies here dont you instead of all those nasty migrants who are going around killing and sterilising the Irish! Im sure youve given a few samples to sperm banks and sold it as '100% irish stock with own teeth' in the hope that some lonely American woman would bite! Im sure you'd love a bite wouldnt you!
GeorgeDillon | Apr 16, 2012, 04:29 PM EDT
ciaradexy: "Seriously, please don't get anyone pregnant, I fear for Ireland if its people like you reproducing." I suspect I am speaking for a lot of readers when I say I echo those thoughts. Please, Ciara, don't get pregnant, though I guess to get pregnant at your age would be something of a miracle!
ciaradexy | Apr 16, 2012, 04:15 PM EDT
18 years? More like 28 years these days! I'd rather my road trips to the West and my holidays to be honest!
Curitiba | Apr 16, 2012, 03:45 PM EDT
Not me, Ciara. The thought of spending the next 18 years on that 12-hour factory nightshift, just to keep up with with the maintenance payments on my hypothetical bundle of joy is enough to to make me think twice!
ciaradexy | Apr 16, 2012, 03:30 PM EDT
Its those good intentions that get the girls pregnant!
Curitiba | Apr 16, 2012, 03:25 PM EDT
Ha, Ha!
ciaradexy | Apr 16, 2012, 03:09 PM EDT
Curitiba, thats what they all say!
Curitiba | Apr 16, 2012, 03:07 PM EDT
"Curitiba, you sound like you could be one of those lusty men from abroad?" I'm afraid you've got the wrong idea about me, Ciara, dear lady, my intentions are strictly honourable! :)
ciaradexy | Apr 16, 2012, 03:03 PM EDT
FallsR, exactly. Its no one elses decision to make other than the pregnant woman.
ciaradexy | Apr 16, 2012, 02:58 PM EDT
Sirpete, a baby outside the womb can be nurtured by any person who wants to care for it. A foetus in the womb is reliant on the pregnant woman only and if she doesnt want to be pregnant then that's up to her and her alone. Curitiba, you sound like you could be one of those lusty men from abroad? Awoken, seriously, learn to spell. You're coming across as a retard. Kinda like StevenS. I'm not looking at this from a media or magazine perspective, whatever the hell that's meant to be in your paranoid head but rather as a woman. I'm a grown adult, I tend to make informed decisions via my own experience, the experiences of my friends and family and from what I see in my life. I work in a maternity hospital and I see babies born to drug addicts and alcoholics. I see women pregnant with deformed foetus who cannot abort unless they go abroad, I see pregnant women with cervical, endometrial, breast and uterine cancers who have to travel to the Uk for abortions so they can go ahead with their treatment here. Seriously, please don't get anyone pregnant, I fear for Ireland if its people like you reproducing. The standard of education here appears to be brutal when reading your posts. Im pro-choice and my favourite band is The Stone Roses. Just in case youre interested which you really seem to be.
FallsRNat | Apr 16, 2012, 02:54 PM EDT
why shouldn't abortion be legalised, the woman who is carrying the baby may have legitimate reasons for aborting it, being raped for instance. Why I'm personally not it favour of abortion, the woman has the ultimate right to decide & she can do it knowing that she will not be condemned by me or any other sane right thinking person.
awoken32 | Apr 16, 2012, 02:30 PM EDT
@ciaradexy,so in other words you want abortion to be legalised,i swear to god you never seem to surprise me,your a prime example of what society must not let come to pass,with your wishy washy liberal BS,but to be honest very dangerous BS nonetheless,everything you stand for,MY GOD,honestly you should step back a bit an look at things in reality an not from a media or magazine perspective,so now you are anti culture an pro abortion,who is your favourite singer?let me guess mmmmmm ladygaga i bet,exactly the same morals antways
Sparklet | Apr 16, 2012, 02:19 PM EDT
Aside from any rights the foetus has/doesn't have, a lot of women are never made fully aware of the risks I know at least one girl who had an abortion, which has affected her ability to conceive/carry again.
sirpeter | Apr 16, 2012, 01:31 PM EDT
Ciara.If you say until its viable on its own outside the womb then it is a foetus.Viable means and I quote:Capable of life or normal growth and development.But a foetus is capable of life or normal growth and development.Whats the difference between a child been fed by placenta and been fed by breast?.Both are still dependent on the mother.Both can't survive on it's own without help.To use the word viable is exactly the whole point.When the egg is fertilized.You then have something capable of life or normal growth and development.But before the egg is fertilized it is not viable.I believe if there is a substantial risk to the life of the mother.That's self-defence.I can understand that.But I can't justify the taking of viable human life because of inconvenience.Plenty of women crying everyday to get the chance to raise an unwanted child.
manhattan | Apr 16, 2012, 01:09 PM EDT
WOW! I no longer hate that anti American nut who calls himself Stevenstar after reading his comments on here I see what a poorly educated twit he is. Any English teachers out there reading it? Before you put on another dumb rant check your spelling. I too had little education but next to you I feel like an English scholar.
Curitiba | Apr 16, 2012, 12:56 PM EDT
Perhaps, Ciara, they should make chastity codpieces compulsory for all these feckless, sexually incontinent men who are going round Ireland getting all these poor women in the family way, until they promise to marry them. And just in case any lusty bachelors from abroad are thinking they might take up the slack, they should be issued with them upon arrival at Dublin Airport. That should deal with the problem.
ciaradexy | Apr 16, 2012, 12:23 PM EDT
Daweed, until its viable on its own outside the womb then it is a foetus. Most women about before the 12th week anyway. If you dont agree with it, dont get pregnant or get someone pregnant who doesnt want your kid.
sirpeter | Apr 16, 2012, 12:13 PM EDT
Bythebay.It's an hours flying time from Cork to London.I flew to London more times then i can remember.It might be 15 mins longer from Shannon.We are talking FLYING time.Jesus!!You are a thicko.If you are going to mention security ect.You might as well add in the time it takes to get to the Airport.In which case you could add on two hours or any amount of time if you fancy walking and stopping.QUOTE"And everyone in Ireland needing an abortion is flying from Cork?"UNQUOTE *Rolls eyes and walks away mumbling that I should be payed by IC to educate special needs people.
sirpeter | Apr 16, 2012, 11:09 AM EDT
@cillowen.Comment of the week.lolololol
sirpeter | Apr 16, 2012, 11:05 AM EDT
@Bythebay.A flight from Cork to London is on average one hour.What type of flying machine are you using?~Pedal-flight?lol
BrianO | Apr 16, 2012, 09:59 AM EDT
Steven star do you have a view on the subject?
IrelandNorth | Apr 16, 2012, 07:31 AM EDT
(a) The average flying time between the Irish and British capitols is c. 1 hour, whether by Aer Arann/Aer Lingus/AerOLeary. (b) Ireland would be even more pluralistic if it were reunited. (c) Who decides the legality of wars? (d) Glad to see our BillyBoys-on-line embracing their Irish identity - even if only as a contextual flag of convenience in the circumstances. (d) What about the embryos/fetus/infants right to choose? (e) Sexual abstinence/continence is immaculate contraception. Avoid abortion. Embrace White Tantra!
daweed | Apr 16, 2012, 06:08 AM EDT
"in terms of being a human being, I think it's just barbaric..." Hello, Ciara. Is the unborn child not a human being? Is it not barbaric to kill him or her? How about a reality check? has the Labour Party withdrawn the right to life from a whole class of human beings, and made an unborn child's life dependent on a mother's decision?
Marsaili | Apr 16, 2012, 01:06 AM EDT
A woman makes a choice, of her own free will, to end her child's life - no one is forcing her to do that. If a woman travels to Great Britain for this purpose, it is her choice to do so. Her choice and her fault. No one else's. To use the example of a suicidal 14 year old girl who was raped and became pregnant is rediculous. The majority of abortions are performed on women in their 20's and 30's who would find it "inconvenient" to have a child, due to career concerns, mostly.
MCCOLGAN1492 | Apr 15, 2012, 09:34 PM EDT
God have mercy on all of us for the vile acts of human beings! These comments are worse than what flows even thru my head!!! Rape, Murder, Torture--- Good Lord, maybe 2012 is the end......
STEVENSTAR | Apr 15, 2012, 07:41 PM EDT
@@@@cillowen | Apr 15, 2012, 06:26 PM EDT england is the ideal place to go for the killings - this should be a no brainer for irish women whose mommies and grand mommies were raped by such benefactor sods.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>IM IRISH I LIVE IN IRELAND AND BORN IN IRELAND ... WHAT AN IGNORANT COMMENT TO MAKE ABOUT ENGLISH PEOPLE WHO ARE OUR NEAREST NEIGHBORS.... IT WOULD BE LIKE ME COMMENTING ON CANADIANS .... I TURST YOU KEEP YOUR BITTER 'AMERICAN' VIEWS ABOUT THE BRITISH PEOPLE TO YOURSELF BECAUSE THEY DO NOT REPRESEBT US IRISH AND THE MAJORITY OF US FEEL ABOUT OUR NEIGHBORS.. YOUR IGNORANT YANK !!!
ciaradexy | Apr 15, 2012, 07:07 PM EDT
Mairint, and obviously the majority of women dont regret their decision or abortion would have been banned by now. If its not your womb then its not your choice.
ciaradexy | Apr 15, 2012, 07:06 PM EDT
Curitiba, a chastity belt? How retro! Maybe theyre making a comeback like leg warmers? Bythebay, the flight to Manchester is about 40 minutes. Seamus, great post. Awoken, I am pro-choice.No woman should have to carry a pregnancy to term that she doesnt want and accidents do happen.
mairint | Apr 15, 2012, 06:49 PM EDT
So these few brain-washed wimmin want to kill their own children? Horrific mentality - and they call it "choice". Well girls if you go around making yourselves available for some men to "have a good time" - and risk social diseases - then put up with the consequences! At least dont kill your children, put them up for adoption. Many couples would love to have your child, save them going to Romania or further afield. Thousands of women regret their abortions - Have you never heard of the Never Again movement? Anyway, have you really thought about the truth of abortion? Want still to be a murderer by choice?
mandrake | Apr 15, 2012, 05:00 PM EDT
The only "Barbaric" thing here is the taxpayer sponsored murder of the most innocent amongst us and the horrific methods used to dismember them. Imagine the outcry if these small people were animals.
Nicoletta | Apr 15, 2012, 04:57 PM EDT
Thanks be to God that Ireland (North and South) is still free of the barbarism called abortion.
awoken32 | Apr 15, 2012, 04:43 PM EDT
@seamusmartin we are not talking about illegal wars,which i am not infavour of either,are you? if you ask me,you are sick puppy to condone the muredr of innocent human beings,abortions will become the in thing if it is made legal,it would only be a matter of time,have sex if you get pregnant its cool as you can get an abortion no problem,its wrong on all levels,as for your rant about other subjects,there is a time and a place,read the article above this is about killing innocent babies
SeamusMartin | Apr 15, 2012, 03:25 PM EDT
No one likes abortion. No women has an abortion just for kicks, that's why each woman in her own particular situation should be able to make her own decision. I suggest to you out there whom are so against pro-choice ought to help put a stop to abortion by adopting all the children whom otherwise go up unwanted and unloved. Some of you self-righteous busybodies would be perfect poster children FOR abortion -- worry about yourselves! If you hate the innocent being killed so much why not pass a law to end war or maybe just end hatred. You'll have to d a lot of soul-searching for that. Blessed be the peacemakers!
awoken32 | Apr 15, 2012, 02:59 PM EDT
@ciaradexy,dont tell me your pro abortion aswell,are ye?
sirpeter | Apr 15, 2012, 02:23 PM EDT
An hours flight and that's barbaric??They have more than enough support in Ireland if they have the baby.They want the right to choose death.But want the Irish taxpayer to pay for these termination clinics.It's not an Irish problem.It's an individuals perplexity requiring a choice.
Curitiba | Apr 15, 2012, 02:04 PM EDT
I always have my chastity belt on when I hit the town, Ciara, just in case I get a bit tipsy and am unable to resist the charms of some attractive young lady. I also conjure up a mental myself working nights in a factory for the next 18 years paying for some accidental offspring, should I get tempted to take off the padlock!
EditorCT | Apr 15, 2012, 01:47 PM EDT
What is "barbaric" is killing an innocent child in the womb. If you have the stomach to look at the "products" of abortion visit the website of abort67 in the UK - once you've seen that, talk again about barbarism.
ciaradexy | Apr 15, 2012, 01:36 PM EDT
CharlieM, yeah, MY home, not yours so focus on your own countries issues.
ciaradexy | Apr 15, 2012, 01:15 PM EDT
Awoken, again youre a hypocrite! Abortions are immoral? Yet only in certain circumstances? Life should be cherished? Either its immoral or it isnt, make up your own mind.
ciaradexy | Apr 15, 2012, 01:13 PM EDT
Curitiba, so youve been careful all your life when it comes to sex? fair play to you then you never need to worry about what to do with an unwanted pregnancy.
ciaradexy | Apr 15, 2012, 01:11 PM EDT
Sophium, you should focus on the right to A life for a woman and leave what happens to her foetus up to her. If you have an issue with abortion, take it up with your own country not mine.
Curitiba | Apr 15, 2012, 01:05 PM EDT
Fair enough, in extreme cases, involving rape or a health problem. But as an alternative to contraception, disgusting. Why can't these ladies keep their hand on their ha'penny in the first place and just say no to sex, if they can't be bothered with condoms?
awoken32 | Apr 15, 2012, 01:01 PM EDT
Abortions are immoral an should be treatet as such,of course there is the special case in the instance of rape,or if the female is in danger of loosing her own life,like i said special rare cases,other than that it is immoral,ann should definatley not be normalised,what is this society coming to at all,all brainwashed or something,WRONG IS WRONG END OF STORY,LIFE IS TO BE CHERRISHED AN NOT DESTRYED,its sickening,if you have unprotected sex you might get pregenant,that is mother nature,its not the end of the world,its a blessing in the world
haasny007 | Apr 15, 2012, 11:56 AM EDT
Abortions should be rare, but legal, as they are in almost all advanced societies. Period. Let's move on. Next topic.
hermitTalker | Apr 15, 2012, 11:21 AM EDT
i loved your slip Portia, SOUL choice for SOLE choice, Yes. There is a SOUL and BODY, PERSON choice for the "abortion" choice. It was tragic that the Government did not oversee the physical, emotional needs of the women wgo were put into the Laundries by their partnts, and cared for SOME people who were not tested for their fitness to do that work. Slamming all the clergy for the horrors of the few is neither fair not just. IF you check you will see in the USA Government (public) school teachers and coaches male and female, single and married are still abusing minors- the RC Church was honest and open about it for the last 50 years. Protestant and Jewish clergy abuse minors and women. That is also Evil, not a RC issue only. There is no human or divine right to commit the worst child abuse- killing an Irish or US citizen in the womb. Pray, and think abou it, LOGIC and TRUTH slow us down if we stop to think. PEACE.
Seanmor | Apr 15, 2012, 11:14 AM EDT
We know that killing the unborn is also forbidden noth of the Border. Unionists and Nationalists combined to have the North exempted from G.B.s liberal abortion laws in the 70s. Now it seems probale that the Dáil will soon enact an aborion bill, with or without any pressure from Brussels. I vaguely recall case "X" which was a very tragic situation and I'm inclined to agree with the Supreme Court's decision. But I clearly remember the case of the 6 European nuns who were raped in the Congo in the early 60s. Theeir superior was a practical woman and was prepared for such atrocities, so she gave all the rape victim the "morning after" pill.
hermitTalker | Apr 15, 2012, 11:04 AM EDT
Barbaric- to have to travel an hour to slice, smash, crush their baby girls and boys?
Sparklet | Apr 15, 2012, 10:57 AM EDT
What's barbaric is the slaughter of babies.
GeorgeDillon | Apr 15, 2012, 10:25 AM EDT
What fool composed the headline? Who's "forcing" these women to go to Britain? Bit like saying Irish dope smpkers forced to go to Amsterdam for weed.
Portia777 | Apr 15, 2012, 10:20 AM EDT
ophium | Apr 15, 2012, 10:12 AM EDT ciaradexy, what is your rationale for focusing on **countries** when Nicoletta and I are focusing on **universal human rights,** What is a hu man right? = Every human NEED is a human right'
Portia777 | Apr 15, 2012, 10:18 AM EDT
Sophium | Apr 15, 2012, 10:12 AM EDT ciaradexy, what is your rationale for focusing on **countries** when Nicoletta and I are focusing on **universal human rights,** particularly the right to life? Do you really think for one moment that the Vatican cult cares about life- it being a death cult? The life is for the money the birth cert- slave bond created- $3.5 million. Then after that the baby can go die of starvation for all anyone cares. Also children are an excellent commodity $$$$$ for the child buying business called adoption. So, are you so sure it is about the babies right to life. Anyway, you need to learn that the soul agreement is between the mother/creator and her baby only. No one elses business.So no power over the mothers and babies anymore from power hungry draconians.
Sophium | Apr 15, 2012, 10:12 AM EDT
ciaradexy, what is your rationale for focusing on **countries** when Nicoletta and I are focusing on **universal human rights,** particularly the right to life? ciaradexy, your focus is too small and I fear that your tiny perspective could lead to the death of defenseless, developing humans in the womb. Time to wake up for the sake of the defenseless.
mikehoulihan | Apr 15, 2012, 10:04 AM EDT
How barbaric to make it inconvenient to kill your baby!
ciaradexy | Apr 15, 2012, 10:01 AM EDT
Sophium and Nicoletta, you focus on your country and its people, rights and laws and let us focus on ours. Portia, they wouldnt rape each other, theyre into children!
Portia777 | Apr 15, 2012, 10:01 AM EDT
ciaradexy yes, the men in dresses on orders from Vatican made sure all women were under the control of a male- husband, father, brother, as only males could sign women out of the prison laundries.Bear might think of trying out one of the laundries for a year or so and see how wonderful it is. Then a spot of rape each night to round off the day- sounds great to me too. NOT.
Portia777 | Apr 15, 2012, 09:57 AM EDT
ciaradexy.. well said and it is the truth. The men of god made sure to steal the light and innocence of the children and women first. Sick society that tolerates them in 2012 . All should be sent back home to Roma and let them rape each other.
Nicoletta | Apr 15, 2012, 09:53 AM EDT
No Ms Kelly, what is barbaric is abortion.
Sophium | Apr 15, 2012, 09:51 AM EDT
The abortion advocates always---always and without exception----pull out the extreme cases to justify killing the most defenseless of developing human beings, those in the womb. Then, once the extreme case is justified, the carnage begins. In America, since the legalization of the killing of developing humans in the womb, there have been 53 million such developing humans killed in the womb in the name of "choice.". 53 million "choices" dead. And we call what Hitler did barbaric. And we call what Stalin did barbaric. And we call what Mao did barbaric. And now some in Ireland, misguided souls that they are, call the protection of the most defenseless of humans "barbaric." Such a statement in this context is itself barbaric.
ciaradexy | Apr 15, 2012, 09:40 AM EDT
Bear, when was Ireland a lovely place (as determined by you)? Was it when priests were raping little boys and girls, stealing babies and putting women in laundries? Ah sure wasnt it perfect back then! Thankfully, youre a relic. Ireland is a wonderful country. Those raped children and women probably did want to find their perfect partner, unfortunately priests decided to get in there first and ruin their lives.
Portia777 | Apr 15, 2012, 09:37 AM EDT
bear022013 "Irish women who do not save themselves for the right man." How utterly patriarchal of you to say such a thing.How caveman like to express that women must be virgins for their men, but the men are free to have sex with as many women as they like. Oh and saving oneself as a woman for the right man and then find out he is a barbarian ill equipped in the sacred love making dept.? No thanks, I followed your rules once and learned about this draconian Roman teaching.