Irish women forced to travel to Great Britain for abortions is ‘barbaric’

AMWilson.That's a very good post."Lack of access to a barbaric practice is itself called "barbaric".

Ah yes, you know we're hitting a paradigm shift when lack of access to a barbaric practice is itself called "barbaric". Conway cheapens the very word "barbaric" in the same sense that a New Yorker would say that "it's barbaric that a decent cup of coffee can't be had in this town", or a Roman would say that "it's barbaric that we have to walk all the way to the outskirts of the city to dispose of our unwanted children". I realize that Ireland cannot go back to be being the land of Kerry Babies and brutal orphanages, but I don't see abortion-on-demand as being any more civilized, only a little tidier.

Ah!! Fallsers.It started with the civil rights marchers and they didn't get any rights which ended with any chance of peace going out the window after Bloody Sunday.If they gave in to some demands they might have been a chance of peace.Fact is there should have been no need for civil rights marches.So whose fault was that?!!No matter what way you cut it.The Prods were discriminating against Catholics.If that can't be acknowledged what's the point.

yeah, they stopped NI with a massive strike in 1974, that's 6 years after we had the chance of peace, the 60s civil rights marhces had both catholics & prods leading them, all bets were off when PIRA started their campaign.

Iraq's dictator was the CIA's golden boy and helped into power and they were happy to have him, until he went rogue on the US.And he didn't fall.He was bombed out of power.The fall out was the million dead Seamus."we had Unionists willing to "contemplate" power sharing.*Rolls eyes.Seamus in Wonderland.Come on it's time to wake up.The mad hatter Orangemen contemplate power sharing.Yeah right!!They stopped NI with a mass strike.

if youse actually read the post & digested it for 5 mins, instead of going into 1 of your usual rants, you'll have know that i was simply pointing out that Iraq's dictator was murdering his people long before the US hove into view, are the allies responsible for 1m casualities of course not, when a dictator falls, there is always political fallout as 1 group has always ruled at the behest of everybody else. 1968 was such a year for NI, but Gezza & his buddies wanted to extend the war, 1 last push, he likes to compare himself to Nelson Mandela, but if he had half a brain & given peace a chance he could have compared himself to Martin Luther King, this man achieved much more for black americans then Malcolm X or all the other violent types, we had Unionists willing to contemplate power sharing, gone in at instance when PIRA started their war, so sirpeter, get youse head ouuta your arse & admit it, are the brits solely to blame for the Troubles, of course not, peace was there for the taking, but the Irish republican movement blew it (no pun intended) & resorted to their base animal instinct & here we are older, wiser, more disunited than ever, well thanks gezza

Fallsers.You see you are making excuses.You say not for 1 moment am I condoning the actions of our western leaders.BUT!!!!!So there's a but.Well as long as the million dead were not exactly a peace loving nation/people.It's ok to put a BUT!!there.I guess NI aren't a peace loving people either.Plenty killing and rioting up there over the years.The PIRA and the UVF says BUT!!You're talking sh*t Seamus.So if you are elected in America you have a right to sanction the killing of innocent people in Iraq?Either you agree to killing innocent people or not.By your definition the million people deserved to be killed.Because you in all your wisdom decided they were not peace loving enough.If you kill innocent people what is that called?

sirpeter - every life is sacred & shouldn't be ended by a gun or bomb just because youse don't agree with another's point of view, we have learnt this lesson very harshly in Ireland. As for Iraq, yes I agree the 'trumped' up charges by Bush & Blair were very tenuous for the invasion of Iraq & the subsequent civil war that followed, i'm not for 1 moment condoning the actions of our western leaders, but genocide was wreaked on the Kurdish/Shia communities by Saddam long before the US invaded, so they weren't exactly a peace loving nation. Nearly 1m were killed in the longest war of the 20th century when Iraq invaded Iran. The core difference between youse & me is that you do buy into the theory that non elected terrorists of a particular hue like PIRA can be classed as freedom fighters, but UVF etc who don't subscribe to your views are terrorists, my view is that both groups regardless of political/religious views are terrorists & conflicts like Ireland can only be resolved through the ballot box as happened in the GFA agreement.

Fallsers.Ok!.So calling people Billy Boys who have a "tradition" against Catholics isn't very nice.I suppose I should be more understanding.Because after all it means something to them.Maybe there is more to it that I don't know.You make a neutral statement like both sides are starting to realise the value of peace.That's good to know.Peace is good.Killing is not so good.You call me insane.You call the people who fly planes into buildings terrorist's.But what do you call people with unbelievable weaponry that bomb a million innocent people to their death in Iraq?A million people Seamus.Not 3500 over 30 years in NI.But a million men,women and children in Iraq alone over a few years.Are they all terrorists??When you kill a million innocent people by bombing them.Is that not a terrorist act? Just give a yes or no answer Seamus.

sirpeter - youse are not thinking out of the box by referring to everybody as a billy boy, forget these cheap remarks, the issue here is freedom of choice for a woman to have an abortion, that should be her right & she shouldn't be held to account for it, as for remarksn for PIRA where, in your little world of insanity, I cannot see how the loyalists who were fighting against our nationalist community could possibly be held to account for their own murderous actions as they were fighting to stop being ruled by another country who decries everything about their faith, religion, politics, al qaeda who flew planes into buildings or any other terrorist act in history would be justifiable by your standards, thankfully back in the real world where the normal people live, we say no to violence to achieve political ends, we are enjoying peace here for the 1st time in a generation & both sides are starting to realise the value of peace & who the real heroes of the working class are & it's not PIRA or the UVF, most of these guys have made a lot of money from the troubles & are living in their cosy mansions, far from the day to day lives of their own communities. Youse can keep Adams, PSF are starting to distance themselves from him here in the North as they are seeing a resurgence of the SDLP & all their talk of 'they haven't gone away you know' is backfiring on them in the voters minds.

Ciara.Of course your life is sacred.It's not that I am against abortion.As I already said if the child is a genuine risk to the mother's life.Then I consider her choice to abort as self-defence.That is perfectly moral and understandable in my opinion.The reason I speak out strongly about all life been equally sacred is because some people AND governments do not VALUE everybody the same.In China millions of female babies are aborted in favour of males and the one child system.The power of women IN GENERAL is the fact they influence children and rear them.As in China due to high population.Men are and have coerced women to have abortions in there millions against their will or have their benefits cut.I believe there will be massive poverty in the Western world sooner or later due to jobs going to slave labour countries.We do not want governments to persuade women to abort their babies because governments do not want to support unmarried mothers.You might think that's a load of crap.But it's already happening.In reality women are not treated equally around the world by men.A simple example of this in the Ireland of to-day is the huge amount of unmarried mothers.Highest in Europe.They are depending on the government for support.When that ends and it will.Most unmarried women won't have a choice.Because most women cannot house and feed a few kids without the support of a man or the support of the government.If abortion becomes legal.Government will say to unmarried mothers you have an alternative.I can see future scenarios like this,and I don't want it happening.

Back to abortion lads!!! Its my right to decide whether or not I carry a pregnancy to term. Sirpete, you mentioned all life being sacred. Well to me, my life is sacred so if i decide that I was to abort then that is my right. What about the right to life of the already born?

Fallsers.That's you're opinion.If you don't get it there's nothing new about that.Why would I berate the PIRA? Some war is morally justified.If you are removing a tyrant NI government backed by a tyrant Brit army for example.Killing in self defense is also morally justified ect.This argument is about abortion not about the conflict in NI.The world doesn't revolve around where you live at all.It's also not about been Catholic or Protestant.You are entitled to your opinion.I'm entitled to mine.At least I can think outside the box and that's what my comment was about.If it isn't about NI you have nothing to say.Look at the crap below typed by allan07.He presumes I'm a Catholic.Because he thinks every Protestant is a Billy boy and would never say the things I do.

sirpeter - is it april 1st, youse of all people, a fully paid up member with seano of PIRA berating pro abortion, pity youse didn't berate the Provies for their anti pro life policies in the troubles, i nearly fell off my stool in the pub laughing at such rubbish expoused below its the woman's choice if she has an abortion & she should be allowed to do so without fear or retribution.

@sirpeter you probably think its all anti-Catholic. No doubt you will blame the Rev Ian and the British Government for implanting ideas and beliefs in their minds. I am sure you will argue that pregnant women should stay at home and continue to have as many children as possible. Why not? After all no-one was to blame were they? I am sure my mother taught me it takes two to tango! In any event you will blame anyone except the adults whom created the problem. How about blaming the Rev Ian and the British government. Why not? I lost some money on the Grand National at the weekend and i also blamed the British Government for allowing betting to be legal. If all else fails blame the British Government. It all seems logical to me.