Last year Penny Lawrence (28) tracked down her long-lost father Garry Ryan (46). Lawrence is now pregnant with his child and claims to be in love with her father.
Garry Ryan was born in Dublin but moved to the US with his family when he was two. Lawrence's mother met him, fell pregnant but Ryan left before the child was born. Her mother returned to Ireland.
When Lawrence was four and living back in Ireland her mother died and her maternal grandparents raised her. They died when she was 18-years-old.
Lawrence then became fixated on finding her only remaining relative, her father. Last year she found him in Houston, Texas.
After several daily phone calls she flew to America to surprise him.
Ryan said that the pair felt an instant physical attraction and they soon began a relationship. Lawrence is now pregnant with his child.
Their situation they say can be accounted for by Genetic Sexual Attraction, a term which has been used since the 1980s to describe feelings of attraction between blood relatives who meet first as adults. There is a theory that humans are attracted to faces similar to their own. Also not meeting until both are adults means that normal sexual taboo between relatives has not had time to develop.
Speaking to the Irish Sun Newspaper Lawrence said "We are not committing incest, but are victims of GSA. We’ve never experienced a father-daughter relationship, so we’re just like any other strangers who meet in adulthood."
Lawrence revealed that her three month scan showed no defects. The couple now plan to proceed with the pregnancy and set up a home together.
They say they do realize that their relationship is illegal and are now afraid that they will be ordered apart by the courts.
He said "It’s no different than if I met Penny in a bar. I’d have fallen for her as I have now. It doesn’t feel like we are doing anything wrong."
Ryan explained his situation when he left Penny’s mother.
He said "I was an 18-year-old kid and when Angela told me she was pregnant I wanted to do the right thing. We decided to get married but Angela’s parents disapproved of the relationship and didn’t want me around."
Lawrence said her therapist had warned her about GSA. She said "I did some research into it. I was stunned that some brothers and sisters, daughters and dads and mothers and sons were actually living happily as man and wife."
However there is a lack of an actual medical and psychological definition and acknowledgement of GSA. As Ryan points out "GSA isn't recognized in court."
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Switch to the desktop site to post a comment.Frosty38 | Oct 15, 2012, 09:33 AM EDT
This is the most sick thing that a father could do to his child. Even if they was not in each others life. It is still molestation in the worst form
AnnaBracken | May 26, 2012, 11:48 PM EDT
It makes me feel sick , can't believe they both don't see any wrong in what they are doing , and that poor baby when it finds out its father is really its Grandfather omg
bobby | May 26, 2012, 08:14 AM EDT
This is sick, is it not illegal in the states? I watched Steve Wilkos a few months back he had a similar story with to Americans, Father and Daughter.
abhainn | May 22, 2012, 10:11 AM EDT
Anjali, humans are animals of a specific kind.
JJSherman | May 20, 2012, 01:57 PM EDT
This is disgusting, and made me feel like I want to throw up. This man couldn't find a woman in Texas? And his daughter should know better. I see why her Grand-Parents didn't approve of the marriage between her Father and Mother, they knew he was a sick bastard. This is beyond sick there is no word in the English dictonary for this. Shame on Gary shame on him what low lifted MAGGOT.
Anjali | May 14, 2012, 03:38 AM EDT
we are humans..not animals.
McNamara31 | May 08, 2012, 11:52 AM EDT
Sooooooo really sick of IC rerunning this story every few month's.Its a tragic and sick situation and doesn't need any futher coverage.
Tooreenagrena | May 07, 2012, 11:31 AM EDT
It is an example of amazing irresponsibility on the part of the father. 'We are victims of GSA' what a croc.People are attracted to each other every day of the week but it doesnt follow that you have sex so to think that he thought it was ok to have sex with his daughter just because ge was attracted to her is mind-exploding.
Chaytahn | May 06, 2012, 10:43 AM EDT
This is sick and I can only assume those supporting it on these message boards are doing that to provoke a reaction. I pray for the baby, because even if he/she is born healthy they will become screwed up by observing their parents...who obviously have major mental health issues....and issues understanding what is fundamentally right and wrong.
BrianO | May 05, 2012, 10:01 AM EDT
are you trying to define marriage? two consenting partners lets not be incestophobic.
RosCrea | May 05, 2012, 12:22 AM EDT
It is still wrong!! They even say that they realize their relationship is illegal!! I just hope the child will be born healthy!
EamonnDublin | May 04, 2012, 12:28 PM EDT
Sad, bad, and totally mad. Éamonn, Dublin, Ireland.
abhainn | May 02, 2012, 11:01 PM EDT
The best of Irish luck to the happy couple and may God bestow His blessing on the new child.
MissSusie | Apr 06, 2012, 02:00 AM EDT
Some strange people in the world!!!
KathleenBerrio | Apr 04, 2012, 01:37 PM EDT
Heather 911 don't blame America for this ! They are both Irish !!
KiwiKhan | Apr 03, 2012, 04:17 PM EDT
Oh my god, this guy played with his daughters feelings, how does she know that he not going to eventually sleep with their baby when it grows up? These two are sweet talking and sugar coding an terrible action they have committed. This is evil act, this what athiesm leads to, relationships and blood just becomes water, blood has no meaning but genetics and DNA, you just need consent of two adult parties to do any action including sexual relationships and incests. They do not need therapy they need public punishment but thats never going to happen in the west. Peace
Ava | Apr 03, 2012, 02:41 PM EDT
Oh ya he was born with his skin hanging off his bones no muscle tone at all much like a severe case of cancer he had extreme gargoyle features that at first sugessted downs syndrome which would have been more pronounced as he grew older, n as time went on he could have gone on to be blind, deaf n went on to have encephaly n seizures. His mother I guess because she was shuned by his care givers in the hospital un hooked his stomach tube n tried to walk out with him only to be talked into allowing them to care for him in his first three months in the hospital, he was also addicted to cocaine n extasy as well !! In his two yr short life he was a happy lil guy some days he could roll back n forth on a small bed type playpen my friend had made for him while on a gel pad for his his bones n see lights above him n play with toys dangling from a make shift canopy, n he was very much loved too !! He didn't live long enough to go blind or deaf n never had any seizures either he was smart too she taught him sign language n could tell you when he wanted his bottle, having no muscle tone meant having to assist in bowel movement with suppositories as he would signal with clicking sounds from his throat to tell her !! N of course no one was charged with anything, again no justice for the innocence !!
Ava | Apr 03, 2012, 01:53 PM EDT
I have seen the effects of this first hand, one of my friends took a baby in at 3mos old as a catholic hospital was goin to just starve him to death !! He was born with many bone fractures after a difficult labor, which ended up him bein born by ceserian section, he could not suck n had to have special nipples on his bottles. He had a hole in his heart, an enlarged spleen n liver, brital bones that looked like osteoporitis (sp)" , an emlarged tougue that protruded from his mouth, even his skin was effected as he couldnt maintian a constant body temperature, he nevr walked talked or grew any teeth, these poor kids should they live passed the age of two yrs go through a lot n that depends on how close the genetic make up is ( he was the product of a brother n sisiter)r he was put on morphine for his bone pain after a nurse tried to burp him n broke his rib, you could not really hold him because he hurt constantly his digestive system was severly compromised as he could not digest milk or meat he had to survive on a milk substitute n fruit n veggies alone, he couldn't even sit comfortably in an upright position for any length of time cause of his bone problems, during his short 2 year life he contracted pneumonia twice in his last four months of life, n his tiny 2 yr old14 lb body could not utilize antibiotics at all as he was on them just after his birth that caused him to develop an ingruinal hernia, and again when he had the 2 bouts of pneumonia, so all in all the docs said that they couldn't even operate on the hernia because the force of putting an oxygen tube down his throat would have broke his neck, so anyone who thinks this father daughter thing isn't a bad idea what ya think now ??
KeyWestConch | Mar 30, 2012, 10:59 AM EDT
Hermittalker, what does any of this stuff about abortion have to do with this article about incest?
Heather911 | Mar 29, 2012, 11:49 AM EDT
I agree with hermitTalker on this. Well said. Wish America would wake up.
hermitTalker | Mar 29, 2012, 11:28 AM EDT
This is as unnatural, and hence immoral (what is deemed unnatrual is also immoral) as any mother who desires to abort her own baby. That sadly is legal in most nations now and the Lefties are pushing for it in Ireland. When will we stop, look, and listen to the Law nature plants in our bodies and hearts? The Lefties are now trying to legalise same-gender attraction to children by adults and also advocating the killing of an unwanted baby. Those who blasted the Human Nature dam with their immoral nuke language have one heck of a flood to answer for.
skydiver15000 | Mar 29, 2012, 10:23 AM EDT
How sad that they couldn't see that their love was for Father and Daughter and it took a different path... It is both of their faults for letting this happen. She is of age of making her own decisions and he as a father should not have let it go in that direction.... Their may not be anything showing abnormal in the child at this time, but there are hidden defects that may show in the next or later generations.. the odds are for that to take place... This is a situation that a court should take over. If you were the child how would you feel about this when you grew up??? I would want to be adopted and not know the situation of my real parents... Real dilemma for this child...
cinderfella1 | Mar 29, 2012, 03:46 AM EDT
They both need mental help! He should have been a father to her, not a lover. That's unnatural and against nature. They really need to seek counseling!
Van Gogh's Ear | Mar 15, 2012, 05:07 AM EDT
If ever the word Poxy was going to apply to a situation! YUK! So the baby could be a poxy boggard..YIKES
ciaradexy | Mar 14, 2012, 05:02 PM EDT
Murph46, Im mortified to think that you and I share the same surname. You are an embarressment to the Murphy name and any Irish link you may have. Idiot.
Maiamar | Feb 22, 2012, 02:44 PM EST
Ballindaggin, what does the royal family have to do with this? Am I missing something? I think this is a very sad situation. I was under the impression that the reason behind it being illegal is the basic genetics issues, not necessarily the moral implications which is really none of my business. I personally don't like it but it's not up to me to decide how others should live their lives. It's between them and their God. There are certainly enough "redneck" jokes about finding your wife at the family reunion here in the US.
johnnymac12 | Feb 20, 2012, 12:22 PM EST
What a filthy b*****d this 'father' is. Should be put before the courts and jailed for life.
LacarourSeanB | Feb 20, 2012, 12:03 PM EST
It's a sad state of affairs. Very sad. Very wrong. Intensely wrong. Horrifically wrong.
pb4xav | Feb 19, 2012, 01:41 PM EST
I could not finish the story, it is sicking, ...incest! As her Father donated DNA to her Mother, and she is the result of that union, regardless if he stuck around or not! Where ever they are, the laws of the land should judge their "union" whether it is legal or illegal, as per that area where they are and coupled! And both should face any consequences from their fornication, regardless of my thoughts or view-point. It is sick and gross and both knew of the genetics before meeting! Premeditated?
skerryc | Feb 19, 2012, 11:05 AM EST
Where is the boundry between a long lost father and daughter??? Quite upsetting, I think.
culchiewoman | Feb 18, 2012, 01:47 PM EST
This is beyond sick, especially since it was intentional and both knew what they were getting into. But it's a very real unintentional consequence of sealed adoption/birth records for adopted people (in Ireland and here in the US). Millions of people completely unaware of their origins run the risk of meeting and becoming genetically sexually attracted to a natural family relative. And just wait till all those sperm-donation children grow up and inadvertently meet up with their brother/sister. No excuse for these two...but welcome to the consequences of secrets and lies for the rest of us.
TayandCake | Feb 17, 2012, 09:28 PM EST
SICK, FU*KING SICK SICK
NiGhabhainn | Feb 17, 2012, 03:39 PM EST
Ughhhhhhh!
Murph46 | Feb 17, 2012, 03:03 PM EST
Hey Georgie -suppose that curdexter got here this way?
merefalow | Feb 17, 2012, 02:39 PM EST
really sad situation,he,s wrong though,no excuses,she always yearned for the father she never had,naturally,when she found hin instead of being a real father he,i don't know what he did,twisted a natural love into something unnatural,poor girl,she deserved better,he deserves a psychiatric evaluation.if you real loved a person or child you would not go down that road what ever you thought you felt.. .
dg.txcop | Feb 17, 2012, 10:17 AM EST
Wow, I just threw up!
ballindaggin | Feb 08, 2012, 12:14 PM EST
DISGUSTING, SICK, INSANE. Who do they think they are, the feckin royal family ???
Marcosta | Jan 23, 2012, 11:57 PM EST
Haha I say screw the law if it accepts their relationship. Burn these 2 sickos. Forget the law, this is common sense. What do you really expect from that man who didn't even see her daughter's face when she was born? What an animal! and the daughter is even the worst... She was that desperate that she had to look for her dad to screw her.
ShilohWith | Jan 05, 2012, 10:48 PM EST
there are billions out there for both. dad and the daughter? NO! she has lost everyone and her need was to find her blood relative - not a lover. dad is dad. lover is lover.
IrelandNorth | Dec 23, 2011, 07:32 AM EST
I've heard of Carl Jung's 'Electra Complex' (a female variant of Freud's Oedipus Complex). All little girls and boys want sensuuously desire their parents. But there's a reason why their has always been a social taboo against incest. Inbreeding leads to genetic abnormality in offspring
ehamlet | Nov 06, 2011, 04:30 PM EST
If they view themselves as "victims" then they obviously know it is wrong. Aside from the risks of physical or mental defects of the baby, it is just morally wrong. In my estimation, they are thinking self concerned and completely disregarding the consequences to their child. If they are lucky enough to have a healthy baby, physically and mentally, the long term psychological effects to this child may not turn out as well. They can hide themselves and their child for just so long. At some point the child will have to be a part of the social system. What then?
Springfield9 | Nov 05, 2011, 10:21 AM EDT
It's a one in a million. If they move to the Blue Ridge Mountains there wouldn't be a problem. Quite a few Uncle/Dads in those hills.
Springfield9 | Nov 03, 2011, 02:47 PM EDT
This is just incredibly disturbing, on so many levels. How do they expect to explain this to the child, if indeed it is born "normal"? I think they both are insane...not to mention sinful as hell.
MegK311 | Nov 02, 2011, 04:22 PM EDT
This couple knew that they were father and daughter when they entered into this relationship as lovers. They must have know that this is wrong and they did not consider what the results of this relationship could be. The possibility that this child could be developmentally disabled is very high. Even people who are cousins avoid getting married and having children. There is something very wrong about this situation.
GeorgeDillon | Nov 02, 2011, 12:36 PM EDT
Mamaginnty: "it is so easy nowadays to travel all over the world, who's to know who you might meet up with, your father.."--- How about you, Momma? Have you met up with your father yet?
mamaginnty | Nov 02, 2011, 12:02 PM EDT
Won't be to long til we see a lot more of this happening, and the couple will not even realize they are father and daughter, all over the world mothers are now living without the man who fathered the child, and not putting the fathers name on the birth certificate. Thats thier choice, it is so easy nowadays to travel all over the world, who's to know who you might meet up with, your father..your daughter??
GeorgeDillon | Oct 31, 2011, 03:54 PM EDT
Does the poster kinvara have any insights on this?
IrishGirlyGirl | Apr 09, 2011, 09:12 PM EDT
I really don't support this at all... in my opinion, it's kind of weird. Just my opinion though, it may be different for them. But even though they met in adulthood, if you think it all through, it's just weird. No offense to them.
ronnie4u2o | Apr 08, 2011, 04:01 PM EDT
There were two popes in history that were Guilty of incest one produced a Daughter with is own Mother while he was Pope it leaked out to the public and he was killed and his body thrown in the Tiber River. THE other Pope Had sexual relations with his Daughter and that produced a son who later became a Bishop, its all recorded History the came out in by a jesuit. he said the church had covered it up for over 600 yrs
ronnie4u2o | Apr 08, 2011, 03:49 PM EDT
I Would say it is incest plain & simple this bloke needs to have his weener cut off and both Father & Daughter arrested and then placed in a looney house. there is really something wrong in the Gray matter department with both of them. God help the child.
aidanwalsh | Apr 03, 2011, 04:42 PM EDT
INCEST IS INCEST...THE SAME THING GOES FOR ESCORT SERVICES WHERE WOMEN/MEN CLAIM THEY ARE ESCORTS BUT THE TRUTH IS THEY ARE WHORES OR PROSTITUTES...INCEST CAN CARRY LIFE IN PRISON IN SOME COUNTRIES AND THERE IS NO GETTING AROUND THIS STORY...PURE AND SIMPLE IT IS 'INCEST'...HE IS HER FATHER...
bigbanggleek | Apr 03, 2011, 03:02 PM EDT
I understand that Genetic Sexual Attraction may be a real thing, but Just because this couple are its "Victims" doesn't mean they had to act on that attraction.
tracey.sterling | Apr 03, 2011, 09:01 AM EDT
Oops... Aigisthos.
tracey.sterling | Apr 03, 2011, 09:00 AM EDT
These two are adults and decided to make this baby (shame on them). I feel sorry for this child. How is he/she going to feel when it is discovered that your father is your grandfather and your mother is your sister? Kinda like Aigithos, I'd suspect.
HughesDohmann | Apr 02, 2011, 04:30 PM EDT
Well you know what they say about Texas. It's like a whole nuther country ! Come on Texas chill, After all you got the North Stars from us and won the cup. geez already...
adrienrain | Apr 02, 2011, 03:23 PM EDT
Just because you find that you're a 'victim' of "GSA" doesn't mean you should EMBRACE IT.
Monsoonman | Apr 02, 2011, 01:43 PM EDT
Bono said it best: "In the name of love?"
ladybugkami | Apr 02, 2011, 12:40 PM EDT
As a birthmother who is somewhat knowledgeable about adoption law, I do not believe that their relationship is technichally "illegal" (the morality of it is a different matter, which I will not weigh in on at this time). Adoption (at least in the US) severs ALL connection between the parent and child. A new, amended birth certificate is issued, which states that the adoptive parents gave birth to the child, even listing the hospital where this make-believe event occurred. The child's real birth certificate is sealed forever. Therefore, from a legal perspective, there is nothing whatsoever "illegal" about these two people marrying. In the eyes of the law, they are not related in any way.
christinamaria | Apr 01, 2011, 09:58 PM EDT
sick, sick, sick, sick, sick, sick, sick,sick, sick, sick, sick, sick, sick, sick.That's what I think, nay, I know it's sick.
ILM1148 | Mar 31, 2011, 11:17 AM EDT
Obviously these two people know this is wrong. They just don't care. But to bring a child into all this SHOULD be a crime.
krissangel | Mar 31, 2011, 10:10 AM EDT
I think this man took advantage of a hurting and emotionally fragile young woman. It is more understandable that she would love her father, and allow that to become romantic in nature. He's in his 40s and knew he was her father...even if they had sex, they should not have conceived a child.
mairdemalone | Mar 30, 2011, 09:42 PM EDT
This child's Genetic problems will not show up on a scan! The child will probable have learning disabilities, visual and auditory difficulties too. This young woman was probable abused by her family in more than one way, so I doubt she is stable enough to care for a child born of incest. Her father took off on her before and so he will probable bale out again! I'll like to hear what happens to this woman in four years time. If she is not financially secure, she should be made aware the Social Welfare Department in American, like it is in Ireland, frowns on such relationships. If she find herself in need, I hope she gets a compassionate and caring Case Worker.
Schiltax | Mar 30, 2011, 09:32 AM EDT
Is this for real?
MarthaAnne | Mar 30, 2011, 09:25 AM EDT
Eeeuuuw!!!! Yukkkkkkk!!! Two crazies.
Advocate | Mar 30, 2011, 12:00 AM EDT
Sad that anyone would 'honor' this sickness with media coverage, even here! How sick! How sad! We are indeed Morally Bankrupt, and we certainly don't care! I'll bet Yahweh/God cares!
Jorja33 | Mar 29, 2011, 07:22 PM EDT
It is also known locally as Machihembras (literally "malefemale"). A similar cluster of cases among the Simbari of the Eastern Highlands of Papua New Guinea has the local name Kwolu-aatmwol ("female thing transforming into male thing"). IN the book MIDDLESEX, all the horrors of just a couple of generations out, and what the outcome can be. VERY VERY Frightening, and all based on facts.
longislander1940 | Mar 29, 2011, 12:29 PM EDT
SICK1 SICK ! SJCK people
irishwxman | Mar 29, 2011, 10:09 AM EDT
that is the most horrible thing I have ever read. Disgusting.
Reaganella | Mar 29, 2011, 09:59 AM EDT
GSA is a sorry excuse. What a creep of a father who would surely have taken advantage of any girl at all who wanted to have sex with him. But taking advantage of his own daughter. Just watch, he will leave her sooner or later.
County Cork | Mar 28, 2011, 07:31 PM EDT
Aw, lady, it still is incest; anyway you want to cut it. Maybe this child will be okay, but will their children?
kickstar | Mar 28, 2011, 06:24 PM EDT
Pittsburghkid, "In America, we shut down all our mental institutions" So where are Towngate and sirpeter posting from then.??
kickstar | Mar 28, 2011, 06:14 PM EDT
However screwed up adults want to become, and they don't come more screwed up than these two, they have no right to bring a baby so cavalierly into this world under these circumstances. A baby that will instantly receive ridicule for something that was none of its making.
YvelyseS | Mar 28, 2011, 04:04 PM EDT
They are father and daughter, biologically. It is incest no matter what their circumstance. It's wrong. There are a couple of facts they failed to consider when making the decision to sleep together as sexual partners.They failed to take into consideration the health issues the unborn may develop as a result of the similarity in the DNA factor. The child may be born with handicapps due to the similarity of the DNA. Their decision was not only incest, but it was selfish and without consideration of the consequences of their action morally, and spiritually. If the child is born with some form of handicap they will have to live with it for the rest of their lives.
sirpeter | Mar 28, 2011, 02:00 PM EDT
maod..Your assessment that he was been condescending was correct. You will notice his forever condescending comments about all things Irish soon enough. You just got it straight away on your first post. If you have come on here to connect to your Irish blood..Don't expect Creakygate aka Towngate to make you feel good about been Irish because he won't.Most of the articles won't either.Another correct assessment on your first post. Pick up a 1798 pike and ware the green.It ain't hard to see the Britishers on this site. They ware the green over their red coats.But their comments are covered in Union Jacks.
sharlot | Mar 27, 2011, 05:23 PM EDT
Pretty sick, if you ask me.
Newrone | Mar 27, 2011, 11:47 AM EDT
@ronnie4u2o (11:24 PM EDT): "Real Sick people Its incest & goes against Gods & Mans Laws." First of all, God's laws ARE Man's laws. And "Man" has a habit of making up a plethora of bizarre laws. They're adults. If they're happy, leave them be. It's not because you or I don't believe we would do it that we should impose a law on everyone else.
fuzzyqjones | Mar 27, 2011, 10:42 AM EDT
The fact is, she knows he's her father, he knows she's his daughter... = incest!Try practicing self control!
debimcguin | Mar 26, 2011, 02:55 PM EDT
Unfortunately, this woman was looking for something to fill an emptiness inside. She mistakingly thought it was love for a man, and this happened to be her father. Shame on him for taking advantage of this, and not knowing the difference. Now they must explain this to this poor child one day, and it will be something that will haunt them forever.
BlueDragon20 | Mar 26, 2011, 01:30 PM EDT
I have read this article and now it is time for me to comment, shame on all of you. How on Earth do you think we all got to this point, Evolution systematically taking us down through the chain, it has been proven that the Earth is older the 4000 years old, but I still believe in God and the Devil, you can take both paths, but some where along the line ( between the beginning and the present) our relatives have had to mate. Heck if we all came from Adam and Eve then as all the Christians on this post have said we must all be the brood of sin and evil. And we are not called Yanks we are called Americans.
Colliegirl | Mar 26, 2011, 01:06 PM EDT
She went looking for a father, who she never had. He had the chance to be a dad but that would have meant he would have had to be more mature than he was at 18. Too bad for them both that he blew it. Does romantic love and sex make up for the lack of a father? I don't think it does. But when a person has a hole in her heart sometimes she'll grab at the wrong thing to fill it.
maod | Mar 26, 2011, 12:49 PM EDT
Apology accepted Towngate. I do know what "kneejerk" means....perhaps it would have been better to approach it in a diffent way,such as ...."I feel you had a kneejerk reaction" .....but I felt it condenscending of you to suggest I change my "tag" to that. It's all in the delivery. I apologize for my slight of tongue also .....one of my favorite sayings is "you can always think what you want, but you shouldn't always say what you think" ...and apparently I didn't pay heed to that.....
Towngate | Mar 26, 2011, 07:15 AM EDT
KAYDOG1 : Thanks for that! ..."... it's the first time I've been warm!" ~ Good Ol' Sam McGee! it's great stuff, and Btw; he has paid my bills many times! ~ As to the Article; I admire the sound and prolific Cathy very much; and unless she has been 'sold a pup',I have no reason to doubt it. As I said ... in the dark glens and rolling hillsides what dreams are dreamed ~ what deeds are done ...? Shush,alanna, shuush!
Towngate | Mar 26, 2011, 06:56 AM EDT
Mr MAOD: ~ a couple of things ... Sorry for mis-spelling your 'tag'. It was not deliberate. I can affirm there is no connnection between "Irishphotograph" and myself.I don't know if we are in the same country or even on the same continent! My welcome to you is genuine and my suggestion for an alternative 'Tag' was to suggest to you that you will get more fun on this site if you don't write it off straight away by your 'kneejerk' reaction to this strange and unusual story which has ruffled a few feathers already. In proper English,of course,it would be described as 'initial reaction' or 'gut feeling' or 'shooting from the hip!'; and not about suggesting you are a 'jerk' at all! ~ If you stick with this site, you will learn who are the good guys and gals on here and I hope you do not fall into the first lot. ~ but the way you feel you have to defend yourself from me when you haven't been attacked, then you mistake my identity and allow yourself to be influenced by other toxic Commenters, does not promise us much. But we live in hope and look forward to your Comments in future!
inseattle | Mar 26, 2011, 01:38 AM EDT
Just wrong regardless where you live or where you are from! Gross
maod | Mar 25, 2011, 11:33 PM EDT
Irishphotograph: You are a hypocrite. I was only defending myself from towngate, who started with the insults (who may I add, I suspect is you, since you both called me moad, not mAOd, not to mention the fact you seem to be overly upset). As far as irish blood, I don't have an irish name for nothing .......
Pittsburghkid | Mar 25, 2011, 10:58 PM EDT
In America, we shut down all our mental institutions, but did not cure mental illness. All our mental ill live amongst us, which is good for journalist. All the mental ill in the general population gravitate to one another, and create stories like this. I do not know who to pitty more the mentally ill, or the journalist, who prey upon them.
Irishphotograph | Mar 25, 2011, 10:53 PM EDT
Moad get lost you moron!..you certainly do judge a book by its cover and you wanting to connect with Ireland and the Irish are easily discouraged...Theres no Irish blood in you a chara!
Advocate | Mar 25, 2011, 09:32 PM EDT
How Sad! How Sick! What a great (sic) news story. Why even report this garbage?
sirpeter | Mar 25, 2011, 09:17 PM EDT
maod..Welcome back. Excellent comeback for your second post.But forget the Spanish.He can only speak the queens English.*whispers west brit.
Whitepark | Mar 25, 2011, 09:04 PM EDT
Could that come under the heading Double Indemnity!!~!!
kaydog1 | Mar 25, 2011, 08:27 PM EDT
Towngate, you crack me up. and here's a tear for Sam McGee. As to the happy couple, is this a legit story? After all, the principals say they're afraid the law will split them up, but the only way the law will know is by them blabbing their story to everyone in Ireland on Irish Central (readership-over a gazillion!), so I call BS on this story. I must say, though, that I liked the "we're not committing incest, we're victims of GSA" line.
maod | Mar 25, 2011, 07:46 PM EDT
Towngate: Why thank you ever so much for that kind welcome ....and may I suggest a new "tag" for you also ....."Pendejo", it's simply perfect for you!!!!
sirpeter | Mar 25, 2011, 01:57 PM EDT
Genetic Sexual Attraction..This must be a new yank term..In my day we had a word for it too. We called it wrong.Do these selfish people ever stop to think of the suffering that can be caused to a child from a relationship like this.Or the future generations.
Deidra47 | Mar 25, 2011, 01:31 PM EDT
GSA is just another excuse. The bio father needed to act like a father and develop the relationship into a father/daughter one. I don't care if they had never seen each other before, it doesn't change what the relationship is....father/daughter. What.....did he really see the mother in this young woman and tried to re-live his relationship with her. The mother's parents probably were right about him in the first place. There are genetic concerns that may appear later....sonograms don't show it all. All you have to do is look back on the history....esp. during mideval times with inter-marriage and the problems that developed within the children.
irishb123 | Mar 25, 2011, 01:07 PM EDT
my father married my sister but it didn't bother me...bother me...bother me...bother me..................................
sirpeter | Mar 25, 2011, 12:41 PM EDT
maod..Don't mind the topics.There are many genuine Irish here. But you will find a deliciously moving feast of West Brit related idiots too. That's where the fun is. Use foul language and bad grammar.Annoys the right people. DON'T GO!! You started soooo well with.. WTF...I like you already.
cuddlybuddly | Mar 25, 2011, 11:13 AM EDT
Gentic Sexual Attraction is totally understandable taking into account a parent who has never had the baby in their arms to hold and bond to as nature intended...however it is the parent's responsibility to safeguard the boundaries between love and the sexual expression of that love. To say that he had "fallen for her" is not excusable, He has crossed the boundary and violated a parental responsibility to his daughter, that of never causing her harm. Another baby has been created, incestually, that means this parent was willing to take the risk of harming not only his daughter but another being by taking a chance on the baby being "fine" I think society should support them and not brandish them in any way as long as they are happy and fulfilled, but the question will always remain...what kind of father could cross that boundary? Even as a confused man, He could have researched it but no, he impulsively impregnates his own daughter!! yeeackk!no matter how in love she is, she will be angry one day
Towngate | Mar 25, 2011, 09:48 AM EDT
WELCOME MOAD: The topics here are many and varied. You may find plenty to your taste in this delicious moving feast of Irish related dishes. However,if this is how you react to the very first article you read ~ I suggest you change your 'tag' to "Kneejerk" ~ Happy Hunting!
maod | Mar 25, 2011, 09:07 AM EDT
WTF? I sign up to become a member ....and the first article I read is this trailer tabloid trash ....if this is indictive of articles in this "e-paper" count me out as a member .....thought I'd be connecting with the Irish people as my ancestors are from Ireland ......what a waste of my time on this .....
Towngate | Mar 25, 2011, 07:11 AM EDT
ON IRISH CENTRAL @Katiemac, because she is Irish.~ ~ ~ @Mamaginnty: your:- "...Towngate, what have our lovely glens and mountains got to do with this sad story." Firstly, I do not see this as a sad story - quite the opposite. I hope they will be very happy. ~ ~ ~ My Comment is self-explanitory but; just for your benefit: ..." who knows the secret nocturnal whisperings of lonely isolated souls taking comfort in the long cold winter nights when the eyes and ears of the World are closed ... and there is nothing awake but naked human frailty between two throbbing hearts ..." Herman Melville's Ahab in "Moby-Dick" wondered if the white whale and the face of a baby were disguised Evil and just traps set for us. JM Synge told us what could happen "In the Shadow of the Glen" and Robert W Service said in "The Cremation of Sam McGee" :' ...there are strange things done in the Midnight Sun... that would make your blood run cold. ~ I hope this helps. - Happy reading!
feliciamaisey | Mar 25, 2011, 12:28 AM EDT
This is a vile situation, but worse than the reality of this happening to these people is the fact that comments on this website are insulting and just so unbecoming of what this website is supposed to be about--This is not a Southern thing, should not even be approached in conjunction with gay rights, or be focused in this site as an Irish issue, because it is a human issue--not a culturally significant issue, which straddles the lines between law and biblical belief systems. Sounds like Daily Mail commentary-yuch!
trandall | Mar 24, 2011, 11:33 PM EDT
Why is this such a big deal? If you can condone and tolerate homosexuality, then claiming consensual incest is "sick" is hypocritical. What is "sick" and "perverted" now can be forced upon society in the name of "human rights" and anti-discrimination whenever it is convenient to do so. Gays are humans too. Incest-doers are humans too. God forbid that one discriminate against the gays.
ronnie4u2o | Mar 24, 2011, 11:24 PM EDT
Real Sick people Its incest & goes against Gods & Mans Laws. both of them need a shrink. this is not normal civilized People Behave. they should be arrested & brought to court. they are nothing but Animals !!!!
merlemann55 | Mar 24, 2011, 10:21 PM EDT
Hey FIREWRITER, I find your remarks offensive. I am Southern to the bone and we don't do that in the South. the whole story is about a couple os sick minds. It is SIN no matter how you try to explain it.
daylekate | Mar 24, 2011, 10:04 PM EDT
GROSS...way to go 46 year old dad - you managed to put the creep in creepy... GSA indeed..
firewriter | Mar 24, 2011, 09:34 PM EDT
Daddy meet your long lost daughter! Daughter, this here's your long lost daddy. Now give each other a good old "Glad to meet ya" kinfolk hug. Hey! Stop that new daddy! And you , you bad bad girl/daughter, let go of him. Oh lord I'm gonna hurl! Something smells like a whiskey slingin' family southern incestibration!
eibhleann7 | Mar 24, 2011, 08:13 PM EDT
The poor infant is destined for a life of misery and doesn't even know it. Heaven help it.
ellenfromcork | Mar 24, 2011, 07:35 PM EDT
They are in something all right, but it's in rut not in love.
mamaginnty | Mar 24, 2011, 04:37 PM EDT
I can understand how people feel about this, but think, you might meet a complete stranger find out he's your father, you just can't have the feelings you would have if being there from birth. This had to have been happening up until birth certs and blood test were in use. People travelling around the world not knowing who was who. It might be disgusting to a lot of people, but I can understand why it happens. I don't condone, but I feel sorry for them. The way the world is now it is going to happen more and more. Towngate, what have our lovely glens and mountains got to do with this sad story.
RedBranch | Mar 24, 2011, 04:36 PM EDT
Electric Electra
kateomprint | Mar 24, 2011, 04:08 PM EDT
Why do we have put a label on this type of thing GSA. For crying out loud he is her daughter. Of course GSA isn't recognised in Court because it is a lot of crap. What is he trying to do relive his romance with her mother. I find the whole thing rather sick
snakehips | Mar 24, 2011, 04:01 PM EDT
Yuck, Really weird.... Are people that really hard-up?
seanskelligs | Mar 24, 2011, 03:33 PM EDT
Maybe its just me but I find this sick
pugsmom | Mar 24, 2011, 02:44 PM EDT
The first spawn of this union MIGHT be OK, but this is truly a game of Russian roulette they're playing! One only needs to take a look at some of the offspring of southern Appalachian incestuous relationships to see what horrors may come. And, they are well and truly horrors, no matter how many times you say, "But it's a baaaaaybeeeee!"
Spiddal | Mar 24, 2011, 02:41 PM EDT
Many years ago, there was a song entitled "Im my own grandpa"...does anyone remember?
MMLeprechaun | Mar 24, 2011, 02:22 PM EDT
I feel sorry for the innocent child. Can't you hear it now, "My father is also my grandfather!" Both need serious counseling now in order to get back on the right track. I can understand her need for a father and his need for her acceptance...but sexually?? Come on now!
Juanice | Mar 24, 2011, 12:43 PM EDT
to each his own... However I dont believe in this sort of carring own..
billyjustin | Mar 24, 2011, 12:33 PM EDT
Im a very opened minded person, I have a 18 year old daughter and i love her to bits, but there is a paternal love and a normal love, she needs a fatherly figure around and he accepts the relationship, I think he should cop on and try to help his daughter get over her feelings for him, next stop counseling for the poor girl,and he should vanish.. wish her all the best..billy
antoman | Mar 24, 2011, 12:28 PM EDT
?? Did Cathy Hayes get out of the wrong side of the bed this morning?
Parents | Mar 24, 2011, 12:19 PM EDT
Get these people some help...
chesapeake | Mar 24, 2011, 12:18 PM EDT
Well, incest is probably OK as long as you keep it in the family. What else can one feel, other than revulsion. Dad needs his ass kickes; and daughter needs psychiatric help... and then there is the child.
cillowen | Mar 24, 2011, 12:17 PM EDT
all in the family - more of this than we think. The Adam and Eve thing over and over again. That bible covers everything - do y'all believe it being the book what governs.
oconnellj | Mar 24, 2011, 11:32 AM EDT
This is pretty sick - those two need a "come to JC meeting". Where are their morals?
bronxjames | Mar 24, 2011, 11:28 AM EDT
Someone needs some serious help....
mcdolan | Mar 24, 2011, 11:14 AM EDT
Paper never refuses ink...even if it is on-line! What a waste of time.
cailinrua | Mar 24, 2011, 10:42 AM EDT
Sounds like Angela's parents were right, seeing how they disapproved of him. He must not be "right" in the head. He did not meet Penny in a bar - he was introduced to her only due to the fact that he is indeed her father. He sounds like a man who has never grown up, still thinking it is acceptable for him to date at 28 year old, and hide behind some made up illness to put his mind at ease. What a state the world is in.
colkelley | Mar 24, 2011, 10:40 AM EDT
Put him under the jail.
BishopSean | Mar 24, 2011, 10:27 AM EDT
Considering that radical chic can also chat up bestiality at Princeton U., and on Broadway (Sylvia's Goat), why not also incest? Once you do away with God, morality is whatever you or we say it is; and you and/or I are free to disagree with our own position tomorrow, based on...whatever. When there is no such thing as absolute truth, there can also be no such thing as absolute morality.
brittaniethekid | Mar 24, 2011, 10:23 AM EDT
Even those of us who don't follow the Bible know this is wrong. The science behind it tells us enough. The child could have a multitude of diseases and defects. Having that child is just irresponsible and selfish.
Gearoid | Mar 24, 2011, 10:07 AM EDT
This relationship is just plain wrong. We dont need the Bible to tell us that.
curranart | Mar 24, 2011, 10:03 AM EDT
God help the world
ciarrai | Mar 24, 2011, 09:57 AM EDT
Yeah, who needs to hear this kind of crap. I may ditch this website due to too much silly stuff.
semperfidelis | Mar 24, 2011, 09:57 AM EDT
This is sick, perverse and disgusting . Have they no code, no sense of honor, like animals with no ability to control themselves. Immoral and weak, like so much of the world today.
Wingeire1 | Mar 24, 2011, 09:47 AM EDT
Seriously? This is your lead story today? Not only is it in very poor taste, but the writing leaves a lot to be desired.
Towngate | Mar 24, 2011, 09:27 AM EDT
NOTHING NEW HERE! " ...in the dark rolling misty glens and lonely mountainsides of holy Ireland ..... shusssh! Alanna, Shuuush! There now! there now! .... off you go to sleep......
jamieLM | Mar 24, 2011, 09:09 AM EDT
Yes, they are committing incest, no matter how they justify it. They've allowed sexual attraction to override their moral compasses. Their marriage is illegal and immoral. Why would they go public with this? Unfortunately, the only thing they're "right" about is that they aren't the only people involved in incestuous relationships.
LoyalCitizen | Mar 24, 2011, 08:27 AM EDT
"I was stunned that some brothers and sisters, daughters and dads and mothers and sons."...........Words fail me.
jgirl120 | Mar 24, 2011, 08:18 AM EDT
Sick..Incest is disgusting & against everything the Bible teaches us.