Irish who try to leave church claim they are left in limbo

SO KWEENIE, once again I ask, a little louder this time, HOW IS YOUR HATE SPEECH WORKING OUT FOR YOU? Are you winning friends and influencing people with it? I'd be concerned about the mental state and emotional health of anyone drawn to such behavior. Since you have no rational argument to make,... you resort to scurrilous attacks instead. You compound your Church's disgrace! IC has some spirited discussions, but your sadism stands out as unique. Paradigm Catholicity, right? I note also that your confreres on "Pope describes clerical sex abuse as a 'mystery'" were perfectly indifferent to your sadistic rants on that page. Catholics have become so well practiced in turning a blind eye and deaf ear to abuse of others! One of them proudly proclaimed that HE does not "use personal attacks or suspect others' motives on any of the topics whereon I write," and in predictable moral cowardice he proceeded to ignore your attacks. So just tell me, just so's we know, how long will it take for you to get your usual quota of sadistic gratification by abusing others this time around and then to leave IC, only to return again with another screen name?

sparticusnorth: "... the numbers game is all that matters to them..." How about proving what you say. C'mon, show us your sources, or you know exactly what to do, as expressed in four very clear initials starting with ST**!!

ciaradexy and Bythebay -- Then you should blame your parents who in good faith, or because of cultural or habitual concerns, did baptize you. The Church did not go to either of your parents' house and forced them to dunk you in the baptismal font.

NMcK -- You're confusing the Catholic Church with the mormon cult. The CC may have a vague idea --mainly through statistics drawn from the census each country takes-- of how many people claim to be Catholic, but I don't think you could claim with any degree of truth that the Church has gone from house to house counting its members. Get off that idiocy!

JamieLM: You should get a job as cartographer to the Catholic disaffected. Same goes for wilhoef. -- CitizenWhy: Do you work at the Vatican Curia, and could you actually certify that the Church keeps a head-count on its members, and on how many Catholic schools are financed by the fisc? -- I'd bet that except for the leeching bureaucracy (which justifies its existence by siphoning gov't funds that would be better used in education), all honest citizens -if given the choice- would rather fund Catholic schools, which provide superior education at substantially lower cost, than waste their taxes on public schools, which turn out failed and poorly educated children at a cost of over $11,000/yr. ----ciaradexy: I have a piece of paper that liberates me from the stigma of being around people who never did diddly-squat for their faith, except damn it and undermine it. In Latin it's called, the "Optimus Outus Ex-Bitcheous Maximus"...How coincidental is that...!!

Lord forgive me, I have a sin to confess... for ONCE in my life [and hopefully nevermore], I find myself in agreement with porkia777. --- Yes all you ex-Catholic malcontents... go ahead do the rest of us a favor and make your exit already! --- No one forced you to count yourselves among the fold... no one cares that you take your anger, ignorance of the faith, sporadic church attendance, need for attention and lashing out, etc. wherever the H you wish to go! ---- In fact, there are quite a few heretical communities out there with anywhere from 50 to 20K individuals who might not only profit from your presence, but might even need it. Your zeal for grumbling, bitching and moaning might be just what they need to increase their customer base. --- They will also love the tithing they will extract from you because, bottom line, many of those piddly organizations exist to fund the lifestyle of the slick pope/preacher/founder/leader/con man, whoever he or she happens to be. --- So, as a good steward of the human capital Jesus entrusted the Church with, she might be ultimately be pained at your departure, but don't expect her to grovel over your disappearance! On the other hand, we the people are sick and tired of your wailing; we are and not so inclined to go into grieving. --- So cut the cord, pull the string, scrub off the baptismal waters and say 'buh-bye! Get the H out already, and say hello to GOOD RIDDANCE!!!

catholicabuseusrvivorsni.com----- the numbers game is all that matters to them.

Mousemess: I suspect you'll appreciate a friendly correction. Your sentence "Nil an eaglais Chaitliceach an t-aon eaglais amhain" is wrong. One of the fundamentals about Irish is that it, like Italian and Spanish, has two variants of the English verb "to be". In your case above, you have used "Nil" where the verbal phrase should be "Ní hí". Also, in another post, you put "áfach" at the beginning of the sentence. That's not good Irish, "áfach" goes at the end. Lean ar aghaidh leis an dea-obair.

Quit your complaining, it's a lot easier than a Muslim wanting to convert. Under strict Islamic law the penalty for that act is death!

Collette tell the to the millions of starving children in the world.

Limbo is no longer. Be consoled that you are being true to your faith, not what is being done in your name. "Where two or more are gathered, I am there also", and practice Spiritual Communion. God knows the heart and He will honour you. It takes practice.

The majority of people in Ireland who are Catholics were baptised as infants when they not only had no choice but didn't know what they were being signed up for. That's no way for any church to get members. Those who realize they were signed up to something they don't want can leave it as they choose without the church's permission.

Gearoid4, if you want to continue being shackled by the Catholic Church, that's your choice. Those wishing to leave the Catholic Church do not need that church's permission to do so, they no longer attend it. If they are on the collection rolls for a parish of that church they advise the parish of that church to remove their name. That's it. The Church does NOT own its members, the members do not need the Church's permission to tell it they are not members any longer. They have what's called free will.

Gearoid, I was baptised a catholic, indoctrinated into a faith that I do not believe in therefore I wanted out, completely, 100%. I now have a cert, an anti-baptismal cert if you will so now I do not feel the stigma of being part of an organisation of misogynists and paedophiles who hide under the guise of doing the work of an imaginary deity.

I'm only commenting on the issues relating to the Catholic Church, Mouseness. I'm not in anyway trying to diminish the roles played by other churches in Ireland or even the world. Tbanks for your considerate words regarding the qualities exhibited by those of the Catholic Faith. I share your opinion regarding the divisions within the Christian Faith as they seriously weaken the united witness of those who profess to follow Christ. @ByTheBay, I see that you still continue with your usual anti-Catholic comments but the Church will always be present among us, as She has Her founder's guarantee that the gates of hell will not prevail against her.