54 Comments

• IrelandNorth | Apr 05, 2012, 08:53 AM EDT

  What ever happened to freedom of expression. British historian David Irving was banned from speaking in Trinity when I was there, because he claimed the hollocaust either never happened, or wasn't as bad as claimed. Repeated more recently with Nick Griffin. Either we live in a democracy or we don't. The main protesters at the time - the Socialist Workers' Party (SWP) justified their censorious actions by saying they would not let someone speak who would deny them the right to speak if in power. A case of anticipatory proscription.

• sirpeter | Mar 26, 2012, 12:55 PM EDT

  Creakygate. I like your new improved cryptic comments.I understand what you are saying fully.I just never realised you could take your boundless stupidity and hide it in such a cryptic manner.I have to say you are an expert at it.Very impressed I am.I have to ask though.Are you doing it deliberately or is it a symptom of Alzheimer's? Symptoms can include confusion,irritability and aggression,mood swings,"trouble with language" ect.You are displaying all those signs since your return Creaky.Food for thought Creaky.Food for thought.Bang your walking frame once for yes.Twice for no.If you don't want to speak to me.

• sirpeter | Mar 26, 2012, 12:26 PM EDT

  @Meano Copy and paste your comments to word first.It will save you a lot of trouble if they vanish.I see Bilgegate is having a ball lately.Creakygate is telling porkies.I made him cry loads of times.I made him cry so much at one stage he won't talk to me now.Btw.These topics are a load of media crap.It's best go for the man as well as making your point.With Bilgegate his prize procession is a used Lizzy the Hun sheet of toilet paper with royal poo.Peeing on anything British will send him into meltdown.

• Towngate | Mar 23, 2012, 03:53 PM EDT

  Yeah, grouch, it's called Manners. We make note that you choose to ignoreate the first sentence of my comment @ 05.53. The ability to Apologise is a true indicator of how 'big' a persons intellect is. ~ Still, we are glad you have found something even more ineffectual to do for Barry O'Balmy than post your astonshing inept Comments on this site! So, as we say in Ireland " Here's your coat, and what's your hurry!" ~ and to balance it up:- "Don't let the door hit you on the Arse on the way out!"......Btw: If you are wondering what that sound you hear is - it's the one made by 'nobody crying'!

• Meanolgrouch | Mar 22, 2012, 07:48 PM EDT

  Townie, "Until you correct yourself and offer an apopogy, please do not address me directly again. Thank you!".... said the 2-year-old when caught with his hand in the cookie jar. Too funny. I do have good news for you and the other trolls, however, which I want to announce here in hopes my good liberal friends will see it. I've accepted the chairmanship of an Obama volunteer booster group, so I'll be spending my time at least until November where it will do some good. Afterward I'll be sure to check back in and crow until that grows tiresome. Good libs on this website, it's been an honor to walk among you. Try not to let the little beasties devolve any more than you can help. They're a dying-out breed, you know.... Catch y'all later.

• seanomelb | Mar 22, 2012, 06:23 PM EDT

  Georgy boy I have had to castigate Towngate on previous posts for using the term Fascist He claims Patrick Pearse was a fascist. His twisted logic is akin to yours cheainn Bioran

• Towngate | Mar 22, 2012, 05:53 PM EDT

  To Meanolgrouch: Please identify my Comment where I have directly called you - or anyone else - 'vicious and spiteful'. You are a liar. ~ Until you correct yourself and offer an apopogy, please do not address me directly again. Thank you!

• Meanolgrouch | Mar 22, 2012, 02:29 PM EDT

  One last point, Townie: "mealy-mouth" suggests timidity and ambiguity, yet you rush to call me vicious and spiteful, among other negative things. Which is it, child? Make up your mind. Did you not learn in kindergarten that you can't have your cake and eat it too? Such conflicted statements will never impress, much less wound, anyone. Buy yourself a dictionary. After you learn to read.

• Meanolgrouch | Mar 22, 2012, 10:52 AM EDT

  Hold yer horses, everybody! I left out one other possible explanation for the disappearance of my perfectly benign posts. Some of the conservative crybabies on this forum might have been leaning on the report abuse button. They like to do that, y'know, and overwhelmed website staffers don't bother to read the falsely reported posts. They just delete w/o so much as a blink of the eye. This favorite bully's game is called hide behind anonymity, stab their opponent from the back, and squawl like a crybaby if caught. That's in Karl Rove's playbook too. If any of you don't know that GOP director, he's the same ilk as Breitbart, Limbaugh, and company. I'd think their stench has infected the earth's atmosphere worldwide by now. Not to worry; Meany will never do that to anyone no matter the provocation.

• Meanolgrouch | Mar 22, 2012, 10:41 AM EDT

  Townie, child, did you sleep your way through all attempts to drum an education into you? You do not write in a "deliberately cryptic manner" the rest of us cannot possibly grasp. You write poorly to begin with and then sling all sorts of slurs against anyone who calls you on it. As for my disappearing posts, their extraordinarily benign nature would suggest that I merely stood in the wrong place at the worst possible time, momentarily swept away perhaps by the website's poor programming. Or it could be the result of ongoing cyber attacks; my safety net has always successfully repelled those, but when this first started it alerted on a keystroke logger attempt. Not to worry; it made no headway. But I suspect IC's IT department has its work cut out. As yet I reject the notion that a mole in their office enjoys pushing the delete button on sweet little old ladies like myself. We're really so lovable when you get to know us.

• Towngate | Mar 22, 2012, 06:56 AM EDT

  Mealy-mouth o'groucho: I do not try to 'pass myself off' as anything, my dear! I write in a deliberately cryptic manner sometimes in order to give some dull topics a little (s)pun(k) and pepper! If you had deciphered my comment @ 07.50 properly, you would have realised I was relying on IC readers to be the intelluctuals, and make up for my shortcomings ~ not that I was one! (As a product of Irish State and Church schools, I could never claim that!) I take it you are relatively new to this site, so welcome! ~ I have noted your exchanges with others on the Site and suggest that you concentrate on the Topics Posted rather than on the Commenters, as you are invited to do. Perhaps you should take a look at the Archive before jumping to delusions and joining the 'Usual Suspects' who would rather kill and destroy anything they can't be bothered to even try and understand, and therefore end up being filed in the 'FoolFolder'! The choice is yours! Finally, you complain about your posts not being acceptd by the Editors and Moderators. We are all being watched and judged all the time and the IC site has to protect itself from our worst efforts in order to remain attractive to advertisers and commercially viable. ~ I like this site for many reasons, but mainly that the founder-editor - our Taoiseach; "The Dauntless O'Dowd" is not afraid to take it on that famous dimpled chin of his every now and again! So, Mealy, if you have to be nasty - at least try to be funny as well, and you will enjoy being on here a lot more. If you can't do tha; then stick to Facebook and waiting for the Microwave to ping! Good Luck!

• Meanolgrouch | Mar 21, 2012, 10:40 PM EDT

  Shoutout to SPARKLET and anyone else who wants to read things IC seems to ban here: The page for Mean Olgrouch is up. I couldn't make them run the two words together as should be. Just remember to use TWO words when you look it up. Skunks of IC, take note: I set this FB page so everyone can read, no one can comment specifically so you can't relieve yourselves there. When IC won't accept a post here for whatever silly reason, I'll always give notice here that it's just been posted at the FB page. Spread the word.

• Meanolgrouch | Mar 21, 2012, 09:22 PM EDT

  Townie, do you rely on the intellectual discernment of IC readers to compensate for your poor exposition? That's rather lazy of you, isn't it? Yet you try to pass yourself off as an "intellectual"???

• Towngate | Mar 21, 2012, 07:50 PM EDT

  GeorgeDillon: You old Pedant,you! ~ Strictly, you are correct,of course, but I referred to the (soon to be) nazi Nation,rather than the Party per sé. I like to rely on IC readers having some intellectual discernment when reading my comments. Converesly, I offer them on the basis that it does not matter in the least, what you tell a Fool! ~ they will never understand ~ whatever you say! ~ Just like the Lizzie-loving Ga-ga Gal-aa Down Under (The Union Flag!)who attempted to link you and I together. ~~~ Btw: George; ~ a have a little tip for you: don't take yourself too seriously on this slight-hearted Site! ~ nobody else does! ~ and finally,: Flags are equally Provovative and Evocative symbols. ~ Remember that the 'Zheros of 1916' couldn't even decide on a single Flag and confused themselves even further by flying three distinctly different ones! ~~~ Look-it!,shure, didn't they make the Dublin skyline look like the Circus Clown Family had hung their washing out to dry! ~ Slainte!

• Meanolgrouch | Mar 21, 2012, 04:37 PM EDT

  Georgieboy! Shut you up? Perish the thought. You're one of the most entertaining blokes on this website. Even the Irish like to laugh now and then. Seems I can always count on you to keep me well supplied. Since you lack the quick, sharp wit of an Oscar Wilde or the Yanks' Dorothy Parker (google her)it looks as if I must settle for low comedy. No matter, any port in a storm.

• GeorgeDillon | Mar 21, 2012, 03:57 PM EDT

  Meanolgrouch--But your posts since you started here have revealed you to be a "stupid fool". You want to shut me up because you don't like what I say, like the Inquisition shut up Galileo? Eppur SI muove!

• GeorgeDillon | Mar 21, 2012, 03:55 PM EDT

  Towngate: How did the Nazis send arms to Ireland in 1916 when the nazi party did not exist in 1916? I'm puzzled at your claim, it sounds like some nonsense the Australian guy would pull from Down Under.

• Meanolgrouch | Mar 21, 2012, 08:08 AM EDT

  GeorgeDillon, have you not heard that people in glass houses should never throw rocks? I used to work in the healthcare education field at one time, and you seem unable to do much but rant and rave and spew hate speech. Calling anyone "stupid fool" and "racist vermin" does not mark you as a decent and healthy person. But I needn't preach - you out yourself every time you open your mouth. It sounds like something straight from Mein Kampf. Don't mistake that for a compliment.

• Towngate | Mar 20, 2012, 07:51 PM EDT

  Oh dear, ~ the ex-paddy, dis-owned Dubliner, and pathetic possum is still ranting and festering away, embittered by his decision to live (down)under the glorious British Union Flag and having to acknowledge Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II as his head of State. Take no notice, dear IC readers ~ he has neither wit nor wisdom to answer the comment properly and obviously can't even afford to put a gate on his toilet! ~ Just be glad he has placed himself so far away from our civilisation!

• seanomelb | Mar 20, 2012, 07:02 PM EDT

  Georgy and toiletgate two divine persons in the maze of hate and they cannot find a way out, poor unfortunates. Meany! maybe we should begin a common sense club and rate the idiots on their hate speech.

• Towngate | Mar 20, 2012, 05:50 PM EDT

  The Swastika originally,of course,symbolised Peace and Harmony before being tarnished with a later perception. ~ It is not surprising that the Irish would want to hoist it now, by way of showing gratitude the Nazi Nation for the Arms and Ammunition they sent to Patrick Pearse and his cronies to assist his attempt to hijack Ireland back in 1916!

• Sean Coogan | Mar 20, 2012, 03:45 PM EDT

  A week before this story broke the Democratic Right Movement Ireland were campaigning in Carlow. Could this brazen act and the emergence of these DRM nutters be connected?

• GeorgeDillon | Mar 20, 2012, 03:35 PM EDT

  sirdildo: You stupid fool, I have never made even one anti-immigrant statement. You, however, are the vermin who support Fianna Fail the Mass Immigration party, the party which has brought Ireland to ruin. You're nothing but racist vermin.

• GeorgeDillon | Mar 20, 2012, 03:33 PM EDT

  sirpeter: You've got a new buddy. The certifiably insane meanolgrouch! Congratulations! That makes two of you.

• GeorgeDillon | Mar 20, 2012, 03:32 PM EDT

  Meanolgrouch--Are you sane? Looks like you aren't.

• Meanolgrouch | Mar 20, 2012, 12:30 PM EDT

  SirPeter, amen to that. But since I am relatively new on this site, I hope it's not navel gazing when I try to clarify my position on immigration for new acquaintances who might not understand. I'm not anti-immigration anywhere on earth. Still any sovereign nation must control its borders. Citizenship and even permanent visas need to be allocated wisely among those who actually deserve them. That does not include every applicant with a violin and sentimental story. In short, only the Irish should govern Ireland. All hatred is driven by fear, which also feeds on ignorance and xenophobia. That's downright paranoid. Incidentally, my dear departed ones include an Irish patriot who died on the operating table and a Sri Lankan human rights activist killed by his political enemies who also didn't appreciate his hanging out with me. So drop any notions possibly brewing that I lean to bias. When I go looking for love, I'm likelier to search internationally. Now that I've beat that horse half to death, I think I heard the microwave bell ring. Lunchtime!

• sirpeter | Mar 19, 2012, 11:24 PM EDT

  Georgie Boy. Meano is on this site 5 mins and already he/she thinks you are demented.Your million anti immigrant comments are an incitement to hatred.Simple because you believe one human being is not equal to another human being.Your reasons don't really matter.

• Meanolgrouch | Mar 19, 2012, 11:15 PM EDT

  Well, the Union Jack is an equally low item to the other. Never saw that much difference. Although one of the perhaps a tad naughty things I did many years ago was to help a secretly former communist English lady get her US visa, because I knew she'd support labor here. She was still a good liberal. As a citizen that's exactly what she did, too. So it's not likely that I've failed my duty to take risks in life. She even converted from atheism to Mother Church, an unexpected bonus.

• sirpeter | Mar 19, 2012, 11:10 PM EDT

  Seano.It's a strange world.The Nazi flag is a symbol of death and destruction.I look at the British flag in exactly the same way.But no the Irish must not offend our nearest neighbour.No it was nature fault or Gods providence that starved a million Irish people.The fact is German policy killed the Jews.British policy killed the Irish.

• seanomelb | Mar 19, 2012, 07:46 PM EDT

  We had a case here in Melbourne some weeks ago where a house had multiple flags flying and advertising them for sale(one being the Nazi flag). The Jewish lobby and some shock jocks and politicians were tearing their hair out in condemnation.Personally I objected to the flying of the Union Jack.

• Meanolgrouch | Mar 19, 2012, 05:16 PM EDT

  Georgie, and we know what you say is demented. Next you'll be saying the Republic should dress all the school children in black and tan uniforms! Yes, that's the absolute worst printable thing I can think of to say to and/or about you.

• GeorgeDillon | Mar 19, 2012, 04:10 PM EDT

  herselfathome: Who is being incited to hatred? Would you start hating Jewish people just because you saw a flag with a Swastika? You're really weird in that case. As for me, I consider flying this flag to be extremely poor taste, a form of visual pollution, but seeing such a flag would not make me hate anyone, even if the poster sirpeter is behind putting it up. I think what you said is crazy.

• herselfathome | Mar 19, 2012, 12:16 PM EDT

  Can't believe the Gardai have to be told to remove the damn flag. Have they not heard of incitement to hatred.? Can they not think for themselves ? Are they all robots, or is it just the invisible commissioner, (if he exists), tying their hands Do they have to be told EVERY DAMN THING.? I'm disgusted.

• Murph46 | Mar 19, 2012, 02:07 AM EDT

  Meanolgrouch-I did just that at Dachau,and the hair on my neck stood up straight.I still think it is incredible that some people still deny the Holocaust.Then take a tour of the Holocaust Museum in DC!Hard to conceive-that evil!

• Meanolgrouch | Mar 19, 2012, 12:46 AM EDT

  Well, I tried to post part 2 of a general response but it won't stick, although I don't think it says anything too bad. Will try again tomorrow morning. Foks, when I debate with people, it's meant as a mark of respect in and of itself. If I didn't value your company, I'd simply ignore you and spend my time elsewhere.

• murphy666 | Mar 19, 2012, 12:44 AM EDT

  merefalow, it was Samuel Johnson, not Oscar Wilde.

• Meanolgrouch | Mar 19, 2012, 12:40 AM EDT

  Sorry, Murph46, I forgot to compliment your holiday suggestion for anyone not offended by that evil flag. Wish I'd thought of it myself. Oh well, I adopted the term "Lizzy the Hun" from SirPeter, so I'll probably borrow from you someday also. At least I try to remember to credit the original the first time around.

• Meanolgrouch | Mar 19, 2012, 12:18 AM EDT

  When I read an article, I read all the other comments first before tossing my two cents in the ring. Celticsweetie, I agree with you but please don't send those people stateside! The Southern Poverty Law Center and the ACLU have enough on their plate already. SeamusMor, what else does that Godforsaken flag mean besides to kill all the Jews? You raise some extremely important points about getting to the root causes, however. Just don't expect to find anything but the foulest stench, that's all. There's no coexistence with pure evil, as CS Lewis stressed in his book The Great Divorce. Colkelley, Hitler always said the bigger the lie the more people will fall for it. Nazis falsely called themselves socialists because it sounded so much better than admitting they were/are RIGHTWING FASCISTS instead. True socialism hinges on helping and caring for one another for the greater overall good.

• eiregirl | Mar 18, 2012, 09:22 PM EDT

  The dude should really go and get a life. Is that person 16...coz that what teenagers do to draw attention to how "individual" they are. Any older and you've got demons. One question, is every stuggle for independence a facist one?

• sirpeter | Mar 18, 2012, 09:01 PM EDT

  Seano lol.Aloistmartin is still on the tinnies."Are weeeeeee stilllllll Irish @?"LoL *Sings Kevin Bloody Wilson~She's a born again pi*s tank cause she's seen the light. Of a big neon sigh that spells Pub.lol

• seanomelb | Mar 18, 2012, 07:17 PM EDT

  Georgy boy appears to have a new friend in aloismartin."Two divine persons in the one clod"

• sirpeter | Mar 18, 2012, 06:53 PM EDT

  Maybe you didn't read it right Georgie Boy.In Ireland a person might hang his county flag,not the tri-colour.This is some mad stormfront Irish American like yourself over to enlighten the Irish people on how to hate immigrants because they are not Irish. But you know something Georgina? I'll share my Irish culture with anybody.Millions all over the world all different nationalities proud and having a bit of fun celebrating an Irish tradition yesterday.All you did was moan that the people didn't pass the racial and cultural purity test.Sounds very Nazi to me Georgie Boy.

• oldboreen | Mar 18, 2012, 06:36 PM EDT

  To aloistmartin, thank God I don't have you as a neighbour-you sound seriously disturbed! Very heavy day yesterday?

• aloistmartin | Mar 18, 2012, 06:24 PM EDT

  Its Sunday March 18. Are wee still Irish @? One should Note: that the Swastika is no terrible symbol of fear to the Irish ... From Her Celtic Prehistory, Her Gaelic Language, to Her Gothic Cathedrals, and Her " Fascist " Struggle for Independence; The Swastika is to Ireland, What Labor is to The Cultural Revolution ~

• seanomelb | Mar 18, 2012, 05:56 PM EDT

  I wouldn't fly it myself but I defend his right to fly any flag.

• Murph46 | Mar 18, 2012, 03:22 PM EDT

  citizen69 I understand that ,but haters seems to be the latest liberal fad word as used all over these posts.

• merefalow | Mar 18, 2012, 01:50 PM EDT

  flags and symbols are the most divisive things to polararise,divide and de humanise human beings,. Oscar Wilde said patriotism was the last refuge of the scoundrel,and itys true.wherever someone can beat a drum ,wave a bloody flag,blow a trumpet,there are always idiots who will march into hell behind it,without ever thinking that the people they wish to destroy are in most cases ,very like them, selves.the only people who profit from war,ARE NOT ORDINARY PEOPLE,but manufacturers of weapons,and technology,bankers,and multi national corporations,wake up goldfish.

• citizen69 | Mar 18, 2012, 01:37 PM EDT

  @Murph: What they mean is that both the Nazi & USA flags were displayed in the same garden.

• Murph46 | Mar 18, 2012, 12:16 PM EDT

  Haters-a revisionist word for historian!

• pilib04 | Mar 18, 2012, 11:30 AM EDT

  Once again, haters show their true colours. There is no place for incitement to hatred and there is no greater incitement than the nazi flag.

• GeorgeDillon | Mar 18, 2012, 11:06 AM EDT

  So now we know where the poster SirPeter lives.

• Murph46 | Mar 18, 2012, 11:02 AM EDT

  What the hell is the meaning of .. however an US flag remains flying.Are you comparing the two?

• SeamusMor | Mar 18, 2012, 10:24 AM EDT

  Symbols mean different things to different people. The display of Nazi Germany's flag, however unpleasant to view, does not in and of itself convey an incitement to hatred, as it would if the lunatic flying the swastika had put up a sign saying "Kill all the Jews!" Although this particular bizarre behavior might not rise to standard for criminal prosecution, the Garda should follow the smoke to find what's fueling the fire is behind it. They need to know from what kind of pathology did this emerge? If he thinks it's OK to pollute his neighborhood with this sort of visual blight, knowing the sight of such things is offensive to almost all people,what other anti-social notions might be going through his sick mind?

• celticsweetie | Mar 18, 2012, 10:14 AM EDT

  I find it highly offensive that tthey had a USA flag flying next to that vile trash. I won't drive a Volkeswagon due to hitler's association with it. We want no part of hitler or his ideologies here. So that said,tell this family we don't want their sick kind over here. We have enough.