Irish politician accuses Cardinal Brady of misrepresenting abortion legislation issue

Abusing children after birth or the ultimate abuse of children by killing them before birth cannot be justified by anyone.

Brady is hyping the issue and stirring up fanaticism. Dáil Éireann won't repeal or over-ride the Constitution's protection for the embryo/fetus. Its task is to clarify 40.3.3's protection for pregnant women in medical crisis. The embryo or fetus will still have a right to life "equal" to that of the woman. Ministers are TRYING to create guidelines to allow doctors to save the life of a woman in medical crisis when there is no hope of saving the fetus. ANYONE WHO WOULD OPPOSE SUCH A MEASURE WANTS PREGNANT WOMEN TO DIE UNNECESSARILY! What kind of sick sadist would oppose such legislation? What kind of sick sadistic misogynist is Brady-- or anyone else who would support him? Don't give me that cr*p about opening the door to abortion on demand. Until section 40.3.3 is repealed or set aside, abortion will be illegal in Ireland except in the most extreme medical emergencies, and women will still need to travel for legitimate medical care, for example, to abort a fetus that has no chance of survival after birth. That's more than enough barbarism for Irish women to tolerate.

@the ass misneac, have you been to a church in Ireland recently? they are empty, a few elderly people and some young polish nationals. Members you say??? Im not going to waste anymore time with an idiot like you that hasn't got a clue. You talk alot of crap. Something you people are very good at.

Bobby you are the stupid individual ! Anyone of intelligence knows that any Church is made up of its members ,and the same applies to the Catholic Church in Ireland which will still exist for many generations .You are obviously prepared to overlook abuse in Northern Ireland ,and abuse by members of other churches in the Republic of Ireland . By the way I believe that leprechauns exist at the bottom of the garden ,and the dose of intelligence given me has made me very aware of the bigoted agendas elsewhere in the garden !!

To read a lot of the comments on these pages, one might be forgiven for thinking that the Catholic Church is a totally evil institution and that every single Catholic priest is a child abuser. I cannot reconcile the comments with the lack of similar comment about, for instance, the BBC Corporation, also non-Catholic churches where there have been many instances of child abuse. You find evil individuals in every single walk of life - why is the Catholic church picked out for special vile venom from some of the "Irish Central" readers, and indeed, some of the IC editorial staff? Oh, and please don't spit at me whilst you are answering. Éamonn, Dublin.

His EMINENCE apparently believes that life begins at conception and ends at birth. How else does one explain his attitude towards and defense of ordained (I chose that word carefully) abusers of little children? Sounds terribly like the idiot from Kansas City who said that the slaughter of the innocents i Sandy Hook, CT PALES (!!!!) in comparison to the real slaughter of the innocents caused by abortion. Do any of these clowns understand that there is a difference between a zigot and a real human being? Obviously not. ERGO none of these self-described celibates are human.

@misneac what a stupid comment, the church is Irish people? what are you on? what a load of crap from you. I bet you think everyone has leprechauns at the end of the garden. Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdom.

Madpadd is very well named ! Guys like him dont realise that the Church is Irish people ,and not not just ordained clergymen !He might be interested to learn that there has been a call for a Police investigation in to the number of abortions in Northern Ireland !

Probably wrong to kill little children in the womb.

The latest population random sample red c poll taken 3 weeks ago states the Supreme Court judgement on the x case would pass with over 80% supporting the new legislation,with the younger population the main driving force.

Gearoid4, you speak with great wisdom. I encourage you to continue being a strong voice of reason. I encourage you also because many who are alienated from themselves will try to silence you. Do not let it happen.

Once legislation for "limited" abortion hits the statute books, the door is pushed ajar and soon the criteria is stretched like an elastic to the point where we will have abortion-on-demand. This is the terrible reality that transpired in the US and UK. It is a nonsense to say that we will only have "limited" abortion, as it resembles someone saying that they are only a little bit pregnant. All right tbinking people must consider this type of scenario and stop it from happening in Ireland(north or south).

I was under the impression that the Irish Government gave up listening to the Church. When will the Irish people go it alone.

Cardinal Brady as the leader of the largest religious following in Ireland is entitled to voice his opinion and give guidance to his followers. While. I would never condone child abuse by the clergy, we should remember that the abusers were in a minority. There are some very fine Priests who should not be tarred by the same brush

(…more) From the Bible, the Apostles and early church leaders - “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you…. My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret, intricately wrought in the depths of the earth… YOU SHALL NOT KILL THE EMBRYO BY ABORTION AND SHALL NOT CAUSE THE NEWBORN TO PERISH…. God, the Lord of life, has entrusted to (mankind) the noble mission of safeguarding life, and (it) must carry it out in a manner worthy of themselves… LIFE MUST BE PROTECTED WITH THE UTMOST CARE FROM THE MOMENT OF CONCEPTION: ABORTION AND INFANTICIDE ARE ABOMINABLE CRIMES.” - Of course the Cardinal is within his rights as Leader of the RCC in Ireland to speak out and advise on what is right on abortion law. Whether one accepts the advice or not, is one’s free will and should not be subject to the party whip, something the near-Godless Labour Party should be aware of.