Irish nun quits Catholic church after claiming abuse at hands of priests
Duleek native founds new order in Liverpool and slams Vatican
Published Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 7:25 AM
Updated Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 7:25 AM
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Towngate | Oct 24, 2012, 05:24 PM EDT
I hope she is very happy in her new home for the incurably delusional!
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turzovka | Jun 18, 2012, 10:01 AM EDT
I came back here out of curiosity if any debate remained? Apparently not the case, but I do see a comment from KweenOHearts and so I just take the time to say thank you for your kind words.
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KweenOHearts | Jun 13, 2012, 12:31 AM EDT
turzovka -- You understand the Catholic faith perfectly, and explain it even better!
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turzovka | May 28, 2012, 12:48 PM EDT
EphraimKibbey – I am not skipping One Year, much less the first 300. Of course, as a Protestant you have to fabricate these “assumptions” in order to justify your schisms from the only Church that was ever in existence. You ignore the Biblical clearest statements on the Holy Eucharist and the Sacrament of Penance and just pretend that did not mean that much to Jesus when He said it. You assume Rome corrupted the dogmas, doctrines and teachings of the Church, but what crucial teachings are those? I can tell you which ones Protestants corrupted. Not only did they scandalize Jesus’ mother in how she has been ignored or devotion to her treated as heresy, but they also are absolutely ignorant or obstinate on a most blessed and critical doctrine of purgatory. I do not have the space to argue with you, but the unity Christ preached on can only be found in the universal true Church and in the mass. All of the early Church fathers (pre-Constantine) wrote in terms of what Roman Catholicism teaches, not these watered down strange conflicting theologies coming out of thousands of competing protestant sects.
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turzovka | May 26, 2012, 10:23 PM EDT
I notice the most commented articles on your site have to do with the Catholic Church and faith matters. And yet, I submitted to comments here in the past three days in response to critics here that never were allowed to be aired. I know they were not disrespectful. So what gives? Who is afraid of debate around here and why?
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EphraimKibbey | May 25, 2012, 04:43 PM EDT
@turzovka - You are skipping the almost three hundred years that the church existed before it was usurped by the Roman Emperor Constantine in 306 AD/CE. During that time, the apostles and their followers spread the Word to the whole middle east. Each group developed its own interpretations of Christ's teachings. The Roman version came on the scene late and immediately began to silence all of the other voices, proclaming itself as the "One True Church." Its good to be the emperor! Their only justification was that Peter died in Rome hundreds of years earlier (at their own hands.) They changed many of the earlier church's practices to fit Roman society and to mesh with the still vibrant pagan religions of the empire. There is NO continuous line from Christ and Peter to Ratzinger. After the empire fractured and there were two emperors the "One True Catholic Church" became the "Two True Catholic Churchs" both claiming to be the only "True" one. Its time for the "God loves MY church better than your church" stuff to be put to rest!
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turzovka | May 25, 2012, 02:40 PM EDT
Portia, I have no idea what you are talking about? Do you? The Catholic Church demands a proper definition and distinction. If you think any person can start a church and declare it the Church established by Jesus Christ, you would be wrong. There are very critical dogmas and doctrines, that if two churches differed on, one would have to not be the one established by Christ. Jesus gave authority to the apostles to forgive sins or to hold them bound, and to be ordained to change bread and wine into His body and blood. If you think that is no small matter, or any "Christian" can interpret that as he pleases, again, grave error on your part. Just because there are sinners in the Catholic Church does not break the covenant. And there are many rites in the one true Catholic Church, the Roman Latin rite being the largest.
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Portia777 | May 24, 2012, 03:35 PM EDT
turzovka. The Catholic church is NOT the Roman catholic church. The Roman church usurped the Catholic church. Research and find the truth.
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Portia777 | May 24, 2012, 03:22 PM EDT
jacersagain. St Patrick.... mmm you mean the patriarch patrick I suppose. The slave trader.Just remember every ritual used by the Roman church was used by so called pagans first and corrupted by the men of god. Every church was built on pagan altar/alter sites. So if the pagans were so evil, why place christian churches on them? To control the Great Mother Earth- that is why and you are one of her children used in that whole scam.
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Mick10000 | May 24, 2012, 01:16 PM EDT
Kudos, EphraimKibbey. Your compassion and your knowledge shine through your statements. I would be delighted to have students with your insight pass through my world religion classes and teach this professor a thing or two. Write on!
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Collette2 | May 24, 2012, 03:21 AM EDT
Good on her, that's telling them.
I know for years they have been silent victims while the "saucy" ones live a life of Riley.
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EphraimKibbey | May 23, 2012, 10:57 PM EDT
@jswebster - Celibacy was introduced as a requirement of the priesthood in the middle ages when some of the married priests were passing church property to their heirs. Instead of making a rule against inheritance, the church made a rule against having heirs. This is why it is important to strip away all the "rules" and return to simply following Christ's teaching.
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jswebster | May 23, 2012, 06:48 PM EDT
I don't know the Vatican's interpretation of 1 Corinthians 7:9. If we consider Scripture to be true and the ultimate source of doctrine, Paul has already commented.
I Cor 7:9 says "But if they do not have self-control, let them marry; for it is better to marry than to burn with passion." All the arguments that could be made, Paul advocated being single, the self-control mentioned in verse 9 are all trumped by the statement,"... better to marry than to BURN with passion.'
Translation? If you have sexual desires and they 'burn' as in having a sex drive that is ever present, it's better to be married. The self control mentioned should not be a white knuckle characteristic. Instead it needs to be a true attribute or gift from God, again as Paul states in 1 Cor 7:7
This has been a huge argument in the church. The well documented sexual violations by clergy, however, indicate that a significant number, should be married rather then burn. I know there are volumes dedicated to this issue. For me it comes down to a simple test. If I'm thinking about sex pretty much on par with most other people, then the single life is not for me. The perception of the church worsens everyday as sexual abuse incidents are reported, all the more damning as too many have been covered up.
I think himself in Rome should be praying about this topic, not looking to justify church doctrine, or his own opinion, but truly to seek God's opinion.
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jacersagain | May 23, 2012, 05:54 PM EDT
I say to me oul hearty Portia777 – I’d no more go your Meath pagan way, which was long done away with by the truths of St. Patrick’s Christian message and his demonstration of the falsity of paganism, because grumpy monkey gangs in modern paganism start calling the shots. Druid priests wear dresses too, don’t they? And they can get very very very grumpy…!
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