47 Comments

• sirpeter | Sep 22, 2011, 03:33 PM EDT

  Fallsers You didn't answer my question.You said."The blame needs to be apportioned all the way around, the SI,NI, Brits,N America".I'm asking you to divide up the level of responsibility for the trouble in NI percentage wise.You have to agree the paramilitary organizations and the violence on both sides are only a product of those who rule and hold the power.They don't come out of thin air at all.Do you honestly think that the people of the south would see a UI as some sort of victory and if McGuinness is elected we will ram it down our protestants neighbours throat.If you think that you are well wide of the mark.We don't have a religious divide down here.Everyone lives together.We don't give a damn what religion anybody is.No one cares.Here is the way it is for myself.I have Catholic and Protestant friends.My neighbours father is Bishop Michael Mayes (Church of Ireland)and my wife and his wife were very friendly when they lived in Cork.They are extremely nice people.And my milkman is a Brit from Birmingham whom I have a good old chat with every time he calls for his money.He told me recently that he was a Jehovah Witness.As far as I can see this religious crap is just an NI thing.Big Ian might have been right years ago when people were more religious.But any fool can see by recent events that we don't have a Catholic state.We just have an Irish state.I'd like you to explain exactly what rules we are following from Rome.If anybody rules it's EU rules.Seriously Seamus "Irish rule means Rome rule" *Shakes head.I'll just haul you into the 21th century there Seamus.haha.

• FallsRNat | Sep 21, 2011, 05:14 PM EDT

  yes, of course, the difference between us, is that i'm happy to accept the collective responsibilty as a NI catholic in allowing an organisation such as PIRA to effectively rule out a UI based on the principle of consent for all of the people on this island, what you singular fail to accept or even recognise is the role of Irish imperalism since 1919 (ROI) in driving forwards the ever increasing attitude that a UI could be achieved only by the gun. From my view point I can't see a solution in reverting back to the tribal catholic psyche that if a UI is achieved, it can celebrated as a 'victory' by our side & the election of McGuiness will no doubt ram that down the prods throat. A victory for an Irish catholic state, well Paisley was right after all, Irish rule means Rome rule.

• sirpeter | Sep 20, 2011, 04:53 PM EDT

  Apportioned is the word Fallsers.But it could never be in equal measure.It wouldn't be reasonable for me to think if I throw a rock through my neighbours window first and he throws a rock back through my window that the blame is then distributed equally.Two wrongs don't make a right.But retaliation is a natural human response.But what would be interesting is how you would apportion the blame percentage wise taking all things past and present into account.British Imperialism were the first stones thrown Fallsers.Unless you think an English Pope had the right to urge an English King to invade Ireland against it's knowledge or will.Though many dispute this Papal Bull and none is in existence.Question is Fallsers could you apportion the blame percentage wise and be impartial doing it?

• FallsRNat | Sep 19, 2011, 06:39 PM EDT

  if the NI problem is all the english/brits fault, then nothing has changed, we will never have peace or a UI, the blame needs to be apportioned all the way around, the SI, NI, brits, N America, europe have blood on their hands.

• sirpeter | Sep 19, 2011, 05:11 PM EDT

  Fallsers.I'm not quite sure what the thanks was for,but cheers for that.I have always said the GFA and the peace that is in NI is paramount above all else.While I fully agree that the families of the genuinely innocent deserve justice.I also fear that it could change the status quo as alot of what happened must lead to the top.All the politicians on both sides who took a huge chance and years of work to get peace process up and running need protecting in my opinion.They might all be guilty as hell and they probably all have something to hide.But if important cogs fall,there are hardliners on both sides just waiting in the wings to fill the vacuum if they can.I want to see justice done but not at the expense of peace.The wrongdoings of the past can't be changed.I know justice will be done for these people sooner or later,because time has a way of pushing truth to the surface and for those genuinely innocent people who have suffered a wrongdoing there are probably many who know the truth and will speak up at some stage and their innocence will be written in history on the same page as those who are guilty.You know my opinion on what I think is the best way forward for everyone on this island.I firmly believe that Unity is the way forward.Because partition was the biggest injustice done to this small island.As Tony Blair said what happened in NI was as much England's fault as anybody else.From an Englishman that's their way of admitting 100% fault.Who payed the price?People living on this island.

• FallsRNat | Sep 18, 2011, 02:53 PM EDT

  sirpeter - thanks for the posting below, i'm afraid that there will have to be some serious soul searching by all sides in the conflict, the families of the fallen innocents deserve that, maybe a South African style truth commission, something i'm personally opposed to, as i believe that the perpertrators of these crimes shouldn't escape punishment, but if the people so wish this type of event, then i would have no objections. I attended an open meeting with Mo Mowlem before she went into the Maze to meet the UDA/UVF, as you can imagine, I was critical at the time, but she said that it was a price worth paying if the loyalists could deliver the ceasefire. I was incredulous afterwards to find out that Johnny Adair had held out for the ceasefire to go ahead, but had been out voted by the other loyalist leaders in the maze, the last trump card he played was for the NI secretary to visit the Maze to talk over their concerns, it's not all black & white mate, just think that history in 20 years time will laud Mad Dog as delivery of peace whereas in West Belfast he was thought of as the deliverer of something else. seano - the lads i served with are not murderers, they obeyed orders in a combat situation, on Bloody sunday, combat troops such as the Paras shouldn't have been used to quell riots, as these types of troop are normally reserved for 'shock & awe' tactics such as the US Delta Force, i wouldn't like to see normal squaddies put on trial whilst their military/political masters get away scot free.

• seanomelbourne | Sep 18, 2011, 03:58 AM EDT

  Falls how many tommies wre incarcerated for murdering Irish children they were more inclined to be ushered into trough the back door of the palace to recieve a medal as the tommy officers did after bloody sunday., oops!I forgot you served with these murderers.

• sirpeter | Sep 17, 2011, 08:52 PM EDT

  Fallsers.Well I just don't know to be honest.I just wish at this stage it would all stop.Apart from getting recognition that what happened on Bloody Sunday with what was a British mess-up.I think everyone should just let things be.When is it going to end if everyone keeps looking for justice.If justice can be done without risking the peace process.Then let justice be done..But when will it all end.I mean even Martin has said he will meet and entertain the Queen if he was elected.haha.IRA chief of staff having a knees-up with the Queen in the Aras.I know he won't be elected but even for him to say it is hard to get to grips with it.It's time to move on.

• FallsRNat | Sep 17, 2011, 03:00 PM EDT

  seano - i don't follow your logic, u seem to be justifying the murder of Mrs McConville because the loyalists carried out their own sectarian murders, the members of these were quite rightly prosecuted by the force of the law within the UK, Ireland & Ulster. i'm afraid in my book this should never be used as justification, PIRA were supposed to stand head & shoulders above the loyalists et al because they supposedly never targeted civilians, unfortunately the events of Mrs McConville, Teebane, Shankill, Bloody Friday etc proved they were just as sectarian as the people they were condemning. At the end of the day, the GFA let terrorists from both hue out of prison to guarantee the agreement, I don't remember the general population giving them a free pass on murder. 3 top provies have now confirmed that the McConville murder was perpretrated on the orders of Gezza & any govt that has a stake in a democracy has the right to pursue evidence to bring to trial the people who organised or ordered these types of killings. sirpeter, the transmitter idea is bullshit, the only ones in use at that time by any country inc US FBI, CIA needed standard aerials, covert operations were very ham fisted, so i know that Hughes was sticking to the PIRA lie, it just wouldn't have been feasible or cost effective to install in a house. The BA used a laundry truck that the RA fired on at that the time, it had an aerial on the roof, all this Tinker, Tailor stuff is crap. The truth is that the end of the day, PIRA had to justify a sectarian killing, they shot other prods & claimed the same thing, the loyalists did the same to justify their own action. To me, if verbal testimony was to become available in the same way as the Boston tapes & were held for say the murder of Patrick Duffy or Daniel Carson & they were held in UCD, I would expect the 'brits' to apply for the extradition of these documents in the pursuit of a crime.

• sirpeter | Sep 17, 2011, 08:54 AM EDT

  Fallsers.You don't know what Gerry did or didn't do.Before someone can be held accountable you have to show proof.At this present moment you have NO PROOF!!What you have is hearsay.Seamus!!EVEN Hughes said in his book that Mrs McConville was being paid to inform on IRA movements in the area and had a radio transmitter in her flat.He also said that Gerry ordered the killing.NOW!!You either believe Hughes fully or you don't believe him at all.You can't just say he was telling the truth in one part and lying in another.Hughes is dead and he can't be cross-examined.Therefore it is hearsay.The true light according to Hughes is she was a spy and was ordered to be killed by Gerry.If she was a spy she deserved to be shot.The kids say there was no transmitter.But what mother is going to let her kids see a transmitter.Kids can't be trusted to keep their mouth shut.You're argument is blown out of the water by using what Hughes said.

• seanomelbourne | Sep 17, 2011, 08:40 AM EDT

  Falls muy father was in arbour hill (1936)he spent the first six months in solitary confinement.He was "lifted" in 1940 and spent 2yrs in the curragh he never joined the BA it was a matter of principal.I do not know how you draw the conclusion that I glorify the death of Mrs McConville.Go tell the UDR,UDF,UDA and the rest of the orange terrorists who smugly tittered at the deaths of nationalist children.Of the 150 children killed in the north east of Ireland 135 of these deaths are registered as murdered by your loyalist friends(including your brave British army).The high moral ground can be very muddy and slippery be careful.

• FallsRNat | Sep 17, 2011, 05:01 AM EDT

  seano - cheap jibes will get u nowhere, so what if i served in the british army, my grandfather did as well & he was in the IRA in the late 30s & served in the BA in the 40s, does that make him less of a patriot in your eyes. The difference between my family members in the OIRA is that never took someone away & murdered them because they gave comfort to a dying combatent even if that person was on the opposing side. PIRA have for years tried to smear Mrs McConville with their 'spy' lies, she wasn't, she was brutally murdered because she held the hand of a dying man, as I said before this has come to light because Hughes decided to throw the true light on this event. gezza has enough blood on his hands & needs to be held accountable for this if he gave the order for the murder. It is not logical & only the most ardent republicans would glorify in the death of an innocent, if you fervantly subscribe to the mistreatment of innocents within an armed conflict & for the republican movement this momemt of truth has arrived. Mrs McConville done nothing wrong, the fate that she got was totally undeserved & someone should answer for that crime.

• seanomelbourne | Sep 17, 2011, 12:28 AM EDT

  Fallsrnat I am proudly dublin born,If you wish to keep up with the latest news,Sinn Fein have nominated Martin McGuiness as a candidate for president.Why should you care about Ireland your an ex British tommy with foreign blood on your hands.Stick to your queen and country and leave Ireland to the Irish.

• sirpeter | Sep 16, 2011, 01:41 PM EDT

  Seano.They'll run away now for a while.Because when I show the common ground between Catholics and Protestants in NI.They can't handle that.Because deep down they want to feel superior to their Catholic neighbours.It's like a dirt poor cracker white farmer in the deep south of the USA.They too had to feel the were better then the dirt poor blacks.Sad really

• FallsRNat | Sep 16, 2011, 01:00 PM EDT

  seanomelbourne - now i know your not irish, PIRA won, if they had they would be living in a marxist controlled 32 county ireland, get the PIRA rule book, volunteers didn't die so Martin McGuiness could be a 2nd minister in a british statelet, feck me, i know most of you love gezza & the boys, but even sirpeter would agree that a UI doesn't exist today.

• seanomelbourne | Sep 15, 2011, 12:49 AM EDT

  Well!!sirpeter that's straight to the point no ambiguity there

• sirpeter | Sep 14, 2011, 10:57 PM EDT

  Fallsers.I'm the last person in the world who buys into anything.Look Fallsers I don't care if Gerry shot off the back of her head himself.It was war time.She was suspected of been a spy.And in those hectic times it was life or death.Even if a mistake was made that's the sh*t that happens when a society is messed up.Seamus when are you going to wake up.The British only look out for their own interest.Youse are dirt to them.The British government in FU*KIN' collusion with the Irish government are looking for sh*t to destroy Gerry and Sinn Fein.Why? Because they speak up for the working class and are a mighty political party.The Brits and the Irish government have priorities.That means the rich.They don't give a damn about been Catholic or Protestant they will fu*k us all over equally.Seamus what are you afraid of? The rich Catholics and the Prods in Ireland and England have been sipping champagne together for years.What are the sh*thole prod and catholic communities fighting for? They both have nothing.ha ha.

• seanomelbourne | Sep 14, 2011, 07:26 PM EDT

  Kilsally parades are "now" generally peaceful.If the IRA had not battled the British and their surrogate terorist in the north(and won)we would still have the old style paddy beating marches. As a side issue two unionists politicians Danny Kennedy and Tom Elliot are to face disciplinary action from the orange lodge for attending the Catholic funeral service of a PSNI/RUC member Daniel Kerr. The bigots hide behind their Orange clubs and temples and seethe their hatred of Catholicism.

• FallsRNat | Sep 14, 2011, 03:49 PM EDT

  what has king billy got to do with the last 42 years, sirpeter you buy into the republican propaganda of blame everybody else, but us. The brits are looking at Adams role in PIRA because evidence has come to light of his role in the murder of Mrs McConville, where has this evidence come from, well within PIRA, you underestimate, the resolve of the people on both sides in the troubles to reflect on their own communities behaviours & attitudes to all paramilitary organisations. The future of this state & it's relationships with other countries including the south will not be helped by ingrained prejudices held that only one side is to blame.

• sirpeter | Sep 14, 2011, 06:07 AM EDT

  Kilsally.I know it was a European battle fought on Irish soil.But Kilsally you leave out very important points and I know you mean to leave them out too.That battle had serious consequences.The battle, won by William, was a turning point in James' unsuccessful attempt to regain the crown and ultimately helped ensure the continuation of PROTESTANT SUPREMACY in Ireland.Supremacy by a very small minority.I say again that battle was alot more.That battle had serious consequences for your neighbours.The Penal laws were introduced which effected the majority of people so much and made a nation so poor that it was forced to subsist on one crop year in and year out thus leading to the starvation of a million people when it failed.Kilsally that's what the Orange Order and the marches represent to the majority of people on this island and they were meant to represent Protestant supremacy.These parades held anywhere are antagonistic and it's time to put away the Billy standards and parade to something more wholesome and let's stop the English and the whole world laughing at us.This dividing to weaken peoples living in close proximity has always been the English way to keep the whole of Ireland economically weak.It's time to unify as one.The Vatican banner no longer dictates and controls the minds of our children and it's time the Orange Order learned the same lesson.We need to move on together,not divided.If we can do that it will end the stupidity on both sides.

• Kilsally | Sep 13, 2011, 07:26 PM EDT

  erm sirpeter - orange marches are not oppression (96% of all orange parades take place entirely peacefully and without restrictions - the parades commission only intervenes in a very small number in - the same aras every year that hit the headlines as they are usually interface areas between the two communities) or glorifying a battle over their neighbours - it was and english king defeated by a dutch one - a battle that removed power from unelected monarchy to parliament and gave us the 1688 bill of rights. it was a european battle not an irish one.

• seanomelbourne | Sep 13, 2011, 07:14 PM EDT

  Falls your last post made absolutely no sense. Could you add some clarity to your rantings? so I can reply.

• sirpeter | Sep 13, 2011, 05:43 PM EDT

  Fallsers & kilsally.By the way I meant England or Scotland or Wales and ye know I did.Been pedantic about slight irrelevant errors with a post shows me ye really are struggling.It will be grammar and punctuation next.I just type and post.I don't even read my post again to check.

• sirpeter | Sep 13, 2011, 05:19 PM EDT

  Seano.The thrust of my argument is always lost on Fallsrnat.Because Unionist history in NI is one of oppression.Their marching traditions is built on glorifying a battle over their neighbours.The people they now live next too.How stupid is that.If I had a few English neighbours I wouldn't carry the Irish flag past their doors and blast out Rebel songs.And also say you have to stay indoors while I annoy ya.Somehow they think that's been fair.

• sirpeter | Sep 13, 2011, 05:03 PM EDT

  Fallsers & Klisally. Ye are both fixating on Gerry Adams and the tit for tat killings that went on.Both sides did those things to eachother so you could argue about that all day.The weakness in that argument is it doesn't get to the CORE of why all this killing happened.That's the REAL issue.So what if Gerry Adams was in the IRA.So what if he lied.Politicians lie all the time.If he gave the order to kill that women then they must have thought she was a spy.I don't know.I'll wait to see what happens.I don't think my last post was full of bile.I thought I way been fair and reasonable.But what I do see is both of ye have a problem argueing the bigger picture because in order to be fair ye would have to say that Billy Boy politics has been biased and hateful to a huge section of NI.Fallsers where are you getting this "great people swap" from?Do you know something I don't or is this another figment of your imagination?

• FallsRNat | Sep 13, 2011, 02:13 PM EDT

  kilsally - you're wasting your time, if these people are the irish of the future, then god help us all. For all of their bile, I haven't heard 1 single comment overturning the knowledge that Darkie Hughes as PIRA o/c in the Maze would have had of Gerr being a provie. sirpeter, seano can't rubbish Hughes, Gillen & Copeland in support of Adams as these guys, no matter what we think of them were the backbone of the provo movement in Belfast & unlikely brit spies, so common sirpeter let's have your comeback.

• Kilsally | Sep 13, 2011, 10:43 AM EDT

  Gerry `I was never in the IRA` Adams eh? article in todays Belfast Telegraph - google "Tape accusing SF boss Gerry Adams of death squad role to air on TV" A voice from the grave will this week be heard alleging Gerry Adams’ role as an IRA chief and leader of a ruthless secret unit — heaping fresh pressure on the Sinn Fein boss. An audio recording of former IRA commander Brendan ‘The Dark’ Hughes will feature in a TV documentary fingering him as leader of the squad that murdered disappeared mother-of-10 Jean McConville. Voices from the Grave will be shown on RTE One on Tuesday, October 26 at 10.15pm!

• Kilsally | Sep 13, 2011, 08:01 AM EDT

  Google "Attorney general backs Kingsmills campaign" - Ten Protestant workmen were taken out of their minibus in 1976 and gunned down at the side of the road in what the Historical Enquiries Team (HET) concluded was IRA “sectarian savagery” .. the sole Catholic workman was told to run away!

• seanomelbourne | Sep 12, 2011, 07:10 PM EDT

  Fine article sirpeter I think the thrust of your argument was lost on Fallsrnat he's to blinkered to see.

• Kilsally | Sep 12, 2011, 05:07 PM EDT

  `But Billy Boy neighbours and politics have no business in Ireland.If their loyalty is to England then they should move there` erm I`m Northern Irish first and foremost, also Irish and British not English. British means the UK - Scotland, Wales, England & Northern Ireland! Not just England.

• FallsRNat | Sep 12, 2011, 03:48 PM EDT

  sirpeter - you show total misunderstanding in your blinkered view of unionists, what has going back to England got to do with it, get onto the DUP website & see which national anthem they play before the party's annual conference takes place - i'll give u a clue, Celtic play there, but not for much longer as they will be returned to good old oirland in the great people swap. You'll pitiful.

• Kilsally | Sep 12, 2011, 02:00 PM EDT

  `whatever rogue or dissident elements of the PSNI may have prompted these subpoenas` hmmm actually the whole case revolves around a murder case - so who is going to tell the victims family that their relatives murder should not be investigated by the police? Congressman Richard Neal, Senator Kelly, the AOH? I doubt it will be Ricard Neal seeing as he was at the Sinn Fein ardfheis /conference in Belfast on 10th September with representatives of Palestinians and Basques (ETA & PLO links that the IRA had) - ironic seeing as 9/11 commemorations in Belfast were the next day which Sinn Fein took part in - as a bfief look at YouTube shows 9/11 footage of Palestinians having street parties celebrating the Twin Towers attack.

• sirpeter | Sep 11, 2011, 10:19 PM EDT

  Fallsers.I really don't think you understand me at all.I was reading about Billy Wright because I was looking up loyalist martyrs.He believed in what he was doing.For that I respect him.If a person gives his life for what he believed then he has my respect.You see right or wrong is only what you were brought up to believe.But if you give your life for a belief that means you really believe what you are doing is right.Yes!! I believe Billy Wright was a martyr.He gave his life for what he believed in.Gerry Adams is not a martyr,he's a politician.That's puts him on the watch list like all politicians.But been tortured and been shot ect.He knows pain.Pain changes a human being.It makes them either vicious or it makes them feel the pain in others.I believe the latter when it comes to Gerry,but I'm not stupid,he bears watching.Osama Bin Laden is a martyr as well.He payed the ultimate price for what he believed in.The Muslim cause in the middle east is a just cause.I mean Osama Bin Laden killed a few thousand and there is world wide outrage.Then the USA invade Iraq and kill 100,000.No outrage even though maybe 25% were children.That's bullsh*t retaliation on a massive scale.But that's what happens in war.My first loyalty is to the people living on this island and that means everybody.I don't see a border I see people.But Billy Boy neighbours and politics have no business in Ireland.If their loyalty is to England then they should move there.Everybody on the island needs to move as one.We need to put the past behind us.I would change everything if the Unionist's would come on board.I would change the Capital of Ireland to Belfast.That would be fine by me.But Billy Boy Politics that has to go.It's an evil tradition.Fallsers it's carrying to much bad blood.Celebrating a victory over your neighbours.You are never going to convince me anybody has a right to do that.

• mcclafferty | Sep 11, 2011, 08:17 PM EDT

  I believe the British government should bring to trial the soldiers who murdered 13 innocent civil rights marches in Derry on 'Bloody Sunday' as well as those involved in the Dublin-Monaghan bombings' before they meddle in American affairs. "Do as I say, but not as I do" is typical of the British government. However, I hope that Irish-Americans will stand firm in their opposition to this apparent politically motivated witch-hunt at Boston College.

• seanomelbourne | Sep 11, 2011, 07:44 PM EDT

  Remember Nat is an ex British tommy with innocent blood on his hands and somehow he has to justify his behaviour. His Onesided meanderings can only be matched by Surrealist the gombeen.

• FallsRNat | Sep 11, 2011, 07:04 PM EDT

  so sirpeter in your world, gerry adams, billy wright & osama bin laden are all martyrs, youse won't be around too long when somebody like them takes over, cause you never took up arms & fought their fight - remember bloody friday, dublin, warrington, 9/11, kabul, madrid, munich & all of the other countless terrorist acts etc & hang your head in shame how galling it must be for you, searlit & others that some of us on this board prefer to speak up for the innocent victims of these terrorists.

• DanOLoingsigh | Sep 10, 2011, 01:27 PM EDT

  Sirpete – Was beginning to admire the maturity of some of your recent posts, but then you go all tribal on us…Racist assertions of supposed superiority sound like a mirror image of voices and attitudes you condemn. Atrocities such as Knocknagoshel, Ballyseedy and Cahirciveen show that Irishmen were content to stay fighting in the gutter long after the Brits had departed…

• sirpeter | Sep 10, 2011, 09:22 AM EDT

  Well I was wondering when Billyrealist was going to show up with his 2 cents worth.I like history Billy Boy.Time has a great way of uncovering the truth.Isn't it great how the word terrorist gets replaced with martyr over time.Let me see!!Wolfe Tone and Robert Emmet all martyrs now in history.The IRB. Allen,Larkin,and O'Brien all terrorists in their day,now known as "The Manchester Martyrs" all judged by history.The Easter Rising 1916.All called lawless terrorists in their day.No!! Billy Boy.They replaced the word terrorists with patriots.History is judging these terrorists very well so far.The Provisional IRA is still current history,But if you read about the "1981 Irish hunger strike" carefully Billy Boy in Wikipedia.Not once do they use the word terrorist when referring to these men.That's a sure sign they will be martyrs in time to come.History and the world knows that the only terrorist entity in Ireland were the British and their loyalist minions.That my friend is whats gone down in world history.The world sneers at Billy-Boy history.It's really nothing to be proud of is it.

• dan Breen | Sep 10, 2011, 09:19 AM EDT

  There is not a day that don't go by in America, you don't hear a british (english) accent on the radio or television. The british propaganda machine at work. This case, is a good example of it !

• Realist | Sep 10, 2011, 07:21 AM EDT

  Lol....despite the hysterics and the all-too-transparent attempts to protect those who have something to hide, the requested tapes will be handed over. It is going to happen. Try as they might, the Irish Republican movement cannot re-style the Provisional IRA as anything other than what it was/is; a lawless and failed terrorist entity. Like it or not my friends, they have already been judged by history.

• FallsRNat | Sep 10, 2011, 06:14 AM EDT

  anyway back in the real world, long before the ulster state even existed came the Fenian Brotherhood & countless sub organisations stemmed from that. PIRA came into existence because the OIRA chose a non violent marxist solution to the UI cause in the late 60s, gezza & his cohorts wanted a violent sectarian solution to the ulster problem. Here we are 42 years later, 3000 dead & PIRA working to create a UI from within the british state, was it worth the pain & misery of course not. youse need to stop taking gerry's word as verbatim

• maireadinmelb | Sep 10, 2011, 01:22 AM EDT

  Victims right to justice you say Seamus Mor, what about majella ohare, the mcguire children and those murdered by the collusion between british forces and unionist groups??? It has to go both ways!!

• seanomelbourne | Sep 09, 2011, 10:17 PM EDT

  Stuff it will the below anti-Irish posters below go post in the belfast newsletter or the telegraph where some quasi Irish morons will believe your fawning bullsh-t.

• sirpeter | Sep 09, 2011, 12:28 PM EDT

  General Tom Barry (3rd (West)Cork Brigade) once said.The British went into the gutter and into the gutter we also had to go to get them.Where you have injustice and violence you will get resistance to that injustice and violence.The British and the Unionist's were the creators of injustice and violence in NI.Therefore the British and the Unionist's also created the PIRA by using force against the morally justified Civil Rights marchers.The PIRA and Loyalist paramilitaries were not equal.The PIRA went into the gutter to fight for justice.The British and the Loyalist's went into the gutter to maintain injustice.War always brings out the worst in people.Let all those tapes be.Ignorance is bliss when it's folly to be wise.

• SeamusMor | Sep 09, 2011, 11:36 AM EDT

  Fiat justitia ruat caelum! There is no statute of limitations for murder in the U.S., I hope the same is true in the U.K. No one should get away with killing a mother of ten children. The victim's right to justice trumps the perpetrator's right to confidentiality.

• cillowen | Sep 09, 2011, 11:19 AM EDT

  that special relationship with momma trumps everything

• unconvinced | Sep 09, 2011, 10:16 AM EDT

  The Provos and their friends only want justice when it seem to be served out to loyalists only,anything that exposes the goings on of the republician's they protest from the high heavens - Is that what Gerry means by truth and reconcilation ? Thank God the day will come when they all get there just rewards from the Judge of all the earth who WILL do right