Ireland will likely be forced to default on its loans and will take decades to recover says Nobel Prize winning economist Paul Krugman, in an upcoming article in The New York Sunday Times Magazine. Krugman is probably the most influential economist in America.
He also says the country might decide at some point to go back to its own currency and devalue heavily. Toughing it out by massive cuts , the current policy will inevitably fail he thinks,
In a lengthy article about the future of the Euro Krugman compares Ireland to Nevada to make his point. Nevada is the hardest hit of the U.S states in the recession but he says Nevada will fare much better than Ireland.
Nevada’s situation is “much less desperate than Ireland’s,” he claims. “Both are small economies of a few million people highly dependent on selling goods and services to their neighbors. (Nevada’s neighbors are other U.S. states, Ireland’s other European nations, but the economic implications are much the same.) Both were boom economies for most of the past decade. Both had huge housing bubbles, which burst painfully. Both are now suffering roughly 14 percent unemployment. And both are members of larger currency unions: Ireland is part of the euro zone, Nevada part of the dollar zone, otherwise known as the United States of America.
First of all, the fiscal side of the crisis is less serious in Nevada. It’s true that budgets in both Ireland and Nevada have been hit extremely hard by the slump. But much of the spending Nevada residents depend on comes from federal, not state, programs. In particular, retirees who moved to Nevada for the sunshine don’t have to worry that the state’s reduced tax take will endanger their Social Security checks or their Medicare coverage. In Ireland, by contrast, both pensions and health spending are on the cutting block.
Also, Nevada, unlike Ireland, doesn’t have to worry about the cost of bank bailouts, not because the state has avoided large loan losses but because those losses, for the most part, aren’t Nevada’s problem.
Over all, then, even as both Ireland and Nevada have been especially hard-luck cases within their respective currency zones, Nevada’s medium-term prospects look much better.”
Krugman says the Nevada Ireland comparison in a nutshell is what is wrong with the Euro
“...when the single European currency was first proposed, an obvious question was whether it would work as well as the dollar does here in America. And the answer, clearly, was no — for exactly the reasons the Ireland-Nevada comparison illustrates.
“Europe isn’t fiscally integrated: German taxpayers don’t automatically pick up part of the tab for Greek pensions or Irish bank bailouts. And while Europeans have the legal right to move freely in search of jobs, in practice imperfect cultural integration — above all, the lack of a common language — makes workers less geographically mobile than their American counterparts.
During the recent crisis Krugman argues the problems with the Euro became terminal.
Comparing Ireland and Spain he writes “revenue plunged in both Spain and Ireland, in part because tax receipts depended heavily on real estate transactions. Meanwhile, as unemployment soared, so did the cost of unemployment benefits — remember, these are European welfare states, which have much more extensive programs to shield their citizens from misfortune than we do. As a result, both Spain and Ireland went from budget surpluses on the eve of the crisis to huge budget deficits by 2009.
The greed of the banks in Ireland he says was incredible. “ Banks ran wild in the boom years (and were allowed to do so thanks to close personal and financial ties with government officials),” he writes.
“When the bubble burst, the solvency of Irish banks was immediately suspect. In an attempt to avert a massive run on the financial system, Ireland’s government guaranteed all bank debts — saddling the government itself with those debts, bringing its own solvency into question.
Krugman argues that solvency issue is at the heart of the crisis.
“Over the course of the past year or so, first Greece, then Ireland, became caught up in a vicious financial circle: as potential lenders lost confidence, the interest rates that they had to pay on the debt rose, undermining future prospects, leading to a further loss of confidence and even higher interest rates. Stronger European nations averted an immediate implosion only by providing Greece and Ireland with emergency credit lines, letting them bypass private markets for the time being. “
Krugman says the high yield on the Irish bonds means investors don’t expect them to repay in full “ ...the message from the markets was clear: investors don’t expect Greece and Ireland to pay their debts in full. They are, in other words, expecting some kind of debt restructuring..” Krugman calls Iceland an example of what can be done to salvage things. “Unlike Ireland, which tried to salvage its banks by guaranteeing their debts, the Icelandic government forced its banks’ foreign creditors to take losses, thereby limiting its debt burden. And by letting its banks default, the country took a lot of foreign debt off its national books.”
A critical difference says Krugman is that Iceland retained its own currency and was able to devalue -- an idea that may become a reality for Ireland at some point he says “ the earlier Ireland-Nevada comparison shows, the United States works as a currency union in large part precisely because it is also a transfer union, in which states that haven’t gone bust support those that have. And it’s hard to see how the euro can work unless Europe finds a way to accomplish something similar” he notes.
The only way back says Krugman is for a currency union where every country in the euro is responsible for other countries debts as well However he says Germany has given no indication it would accept such a system based on Eurobonds.
He says judging by the harsh interest rates Ireland faces in order to repay its debts it doesn’t look likely such a system will be put in place.
“Call it the curse of the single currency” he concludes.
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Switch to the desktop site to post a comment.jacersagain | Jan 16, 2011, 05:00 PM EST
I’ve read Krugman’s article in the NY Times and am pretty impressed with his points. James O’Brien’s headline above has completely misrepresented the thrust of Krugman’s arguments - nowhere does he call Ireland a basket case. He acknowledges that the ills of Ireland (and Spain) were due to the collapse of America’s Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac businesses and by implication, Lehman Bros. He correctly points out that the European Union’s economy is bigger than that of the USA and therefore in a strong position to deal with crises. He offers a choice of four solutions to the Irish, Spanish, Italian and Greek economic problems (mentioning also those of Belgium) - toughing it out; debt restructuring; copying Argentina’s solution; and revived Europeanism. He suggests that Ireland (and Greece, Spain and Portugal) might need to leave the Euro currency to help an economic revival and/or default on its loans like Argentina did. At the moment, we in Ireland are toughing it out but I’d go with the debt restructuring option. Krugman, after all his analysis, admits that he really doesn’t know the answer. Having drawn comparisons between Nevada and Ireland, he then goes on to note that Europe is not fiscally integrated while the USA is, therefore destroying his comparison of the two. So why did he write the article in the first place? For that alone, yes, I agree he’s an Idiot.
cuddlybuddly | Jan 16, 2011, 09:52 AM EST
look comparing Ireland to Nevada means this guy is an idiot
cusack2 | Jan 15, 2011, 06:48 AM EST
I could, and did, write something similar to this myself - and I'm no economist - just an ordinary taxpayer and critical observer. As they say, it's not rocket science. Dump the euro, default on senior bondholders, and revert to the punt linked to the pound sterling. The economic border between the Republic and Northern Ireland disappears and we start afresh with a whole island cooperative economy. (See Irish Central Geraldine O'Connell Cusack)
Dublinjas | Jan 15, 2011, 03:45 AM EST
Ireland is not as fortunate as Nevada, which belongs to a Nation which that has something called the Federal Reserve, where people can just pull money out of thin air, and print and print and print ad-nauseaum, with absolutely nothing to back up all this confetti currency in circulation. Now what would you call an economy like that Mr Krugmann???.
pflynn70 | Jan 14, 2011, 08:02 PM EST
Sorry but anything Krugman says is plain B/S. The man is a standard idiot, bases his opinions not on facts but HIS STUPID OPINIONS! Sorry for his students who are forced to listed to blatant rhetoric.
irishmoonfrog | Jan 14, 2011, 06:17 PM EST
Paul Krugman is an idiot. If he says Ireland is doomed, it's a great day for Ireland!
jacersagain | Jan 14, 2011, 05:48 PM EST
I have big news for you. (I’ll comment on Krugman’s thoughts when I see what he has to say in full). Meantime, may I say that there might be a case for Ireland becoming a basket case (perhaps net case, in this case) when the overall winner at the Irish Young Scientist and Technology Exhibition – proudly now known as The Young Scientist of the Year (YSotY) 2011 (Ireland) – is Alexander Amini, a teenager born in New York but now sensibly living in Ireland....... His winning project uses sensors to identify and analyse different tennis shots. Yes, perhaps basket case, definitely a net case. But ya know... maybe this signals the end of all the professional Federers and Kournakovas... anyone can now improve their tennis game and win millions of bucks using this invention. If Ireland’s reputation as a centre of scientific and business excellence, born out of previous winners of the YSotY, depends on someone with a system that analyses tennis shots, then maybe we are heading for being a basket case full of nutters like Alex Amini. (J/K -Fair dues to him, congratulations to him on a unique invention).
newcanaan | Jan 14, 2011, 03:59 PM EST
this freddy Krugmann is a political hack, nobody pays an heed to what he spouts.
Nicomax | Jan 14, 2011, 02:19 PM EST
At least in Ireland the defaulted homes are in more bucolic settings than those cookie-cutter faux Spanish-style homes sitting vacant in the desert miles from The Strip. At least they are not running the AC needed to mitigate the 105 degree heat.
TheHorsesEars | Jan 14, 2011, 01:54 PM EST
Never mind this fool. Ireland, Nevada, Spain and the Greece economies will be around long after the New York Times and its mentally squalid sister The Boston Globe, have collapsed in to obscurity. Take the big picture, Mr Economist: Ireland is a Mickey Mouse economy in Europe, could Rhode Island bring down the United States? I do agree on one thing, Ireland should break away from the European Union, and set up its own independent currency. Secondly, they need to set up the first European Bolivarian Republic, become self sufficient – and start growing spuds again. For years Paddy has been drinking Poteen (a distillate of spuds), we need to use that as our fuel. What we can’t produce we can trade with Venezuela – spuds and carrots for oil and bananas. And, did I mention…. Bono as El Presidente!
allentown | Jan 14, 2011, 01:38 PM EST
Princeton University believes he is a pretty good economist. However, as a political columnist he might rate one step above being an idiot. His accusations only two hours after the Tucson shooting that Sarah Palin and the Tea Party were responsible shows he can be one of the best Republican asset's going into the 2012 elections.
KAnderson | Jan 14, 2011, 12:23 PM EST
To recover like Nevada, what Ireland needs is a big gambling city like Las Vegas.
LoyalCitizen | Jan 14, 2011, 11:34 AM EST
@justhimself: Please suggest some countries that might be a better comparison.
justhimself | Jan 14, 2011, 10:25 AM EST
Belgium, Luxenburg, are not a comparision. They can load their goods at their source on a lorry and drive straight through to the customer. Ireland is an isolated island, nearest neighbor to the west is 3000 miles away. hardly a neighbor north or south, we have a close neighbor to the east but cannot get along too good with them. LETS GO BACK to Devs policy, a cottage, an acre to grow spuds and cabbage raise a pig and an ass and gaelic language is all they need, and dont deserve any more......
FastEddy | Jan 14, 2011, 10:10 AM EST
No worry. This Bozo hasn't been right about anything since he jawboned his way into a bogus Nobel ...
wjb1tex | Jan 14, 2011, 09:39 AM EST
This brilliant moron whose previous experience was as an advisor to Enron. Sure would like him to give his valuable advice to my company. Below is his wonderfull observation that an economy is dependent on selling goods and services to neighbors. Wow, I wonder what economy is not dependent on that. “Both are small economies of a few million people highly dependent on selling goods and services to their neighbors.
LoyalCitizen | Jan 14, 2011, 09:39 AM EST
Mr Krugman is more right than wrong but the comparison between Ireland and Nevada is probably just as much wrong as right. A better comparison would be between Ireland and Belgium or Ireland and Luxembourg. Both have small populations and both have much less debt than Ireland.
kelauggie1 | Jan 14, 2011, 09:10 AM EST
If you take what this dunce says as truth, you will be happily disappointed. He has made a career pumping up his own minimal self-worth. With that said, I am afraid that the EU is destined to disintegrate - cultures are strong, and not easily merged.