Irish community in Liverpool targeted by British fascist group

Yes. Shoot to kill . . . unarmed civilian non-combatants. British honour at its finest.

Schon.You definitely have the weakest argument here.I like your explanation on the shoot to kill policy..On Bloody Sunday ye missed every IRA torso and shot kids.Or was that just practicing lol.

I was not aware of that, seanomelb. Similar to the charade they went through over the bloody sunday massacre, I suspect it was used as a mechanism primarily to assert a hypocritical moral authority over the situation (after they were caught destroying inculpatory evidence) and absolve themselves. I wonder when they will apologize for the centuries of systematic torture and murder in Ireland, including countless instances of the barbaric the pitch and cap and half hangings (documented in their own records). You can bet you'll never see any reparations paid for any of their crimes, admitted or not.

BTW Curtisjohnson last week (in a very low key way) the Brits apologised for torturing Kenyans in the 50's. Schon I live in Australia by choice and make periodic visits to my homeland the thirty two counties.I've also had many a chat with some of ex army mates who couldn't stand living in Britain after the British cruelty they witnessed in the six counties and they opted for a new start in Australia.

Read the O'Loan report and the eyewitness accounts of the Ballymurphy incident to gain an understanding of the behaviour of the british state terror squads in the occupied statelet. Soldiers who were found GUILTY (a significant occurence given the typical show trial environment) of murdering non-combatants were not only retained in the military, but promoted. It's the same story all over the word - "soldiers" murdering, raping, and torturing non-combatants (see their treatment of the Mau Mau in Kenya for an excellent representation of british values in action).

Seanomelb the running away from the Irish promised land to become a disillusioned outcast in Australia, emigrant. Why do you want the majority of people in the North to become citizens of a country that YOU ARE NOT PREPARED TO LIVE IN??? We don't want to live there either. And ever when the Irish Tiger roared, they didn't want us. They couldn't aford to pay the welfare bill then and certainly not now.

seanomelb You with the memory of a amnesic goldfish. but I explained the shoot to kill policy... the point of aim was to be the torso of the target to ensure that the round was stopped by the intended target and did not continue on to hit an innocent third party. WRT the Civil Rights marchers being attacked... the organisers of the marches arranged for a large number of marches to occur at the same time throughout the province with the intention of over stretching the RUC (police). They were aware, from previous marches, that hooligans would attach themselves to the marches and attack the police. In addition the marches were through areas that had indicated that they did not want the marches to pass through. There was insuffiecient police, a force of 3000 to police all of Northern Ireland many of which had been injured in previous encounters with demonstrators. Your hypocraisy excells in praising the protesters against Orange Ordr parades and while castigating the protestants who objected to the Civil Rights march through where they lived.

Bleeding heart schon conveniently forgets the shoot to kill policy and the civil rights marchers attacked and in some cases thrown of a bridge into the river by orange mobs whilst the B specials and the RUC looked on Let's not forget the protestants how also marched and were castigated ,intimidated and threatened with violence for taking part in the marches.Keep on making your miserable excuses justifying your attacks on the nationalists of the six counties.Retroactively rewriting facts is your forte.

kinvara7 sorry I've lost the thread of that post. I'd be interested in reading your reply. Could you send me a link to the IC article, please?

Yo seamomelb, more with the personal insults already... and you an Aussie. the tea was terrible and I couldn't drink it. I must say, the officer's on the most part were well out of the action. The troubles was a small unit action, commonly referred to as a Corporals war. We warred against the terrorists shooting and blowing us up AND against the officers who, in conjunction with the various governments at the time, implemented rules and conditions that made it difficult for the squaddie on the ground to do his job. That's why so many squaddies were killed, because the rules of engagement meant that they had to be under attack before they could engage the enemy... they had to be shot at first before they could return fire.

sirpeter,you and seanomelb, generalise in nearly all of your rantings. Why can't you be more specific and refer to particular events. The Civil Rights marches in the North were initially supported by both communities. Both Protestants and Roman Catholics were disenfranchised in voting in local elections... you had to be a householder/landowner to vote. They could still vote in the Local Stormont and Westminster elections. Problem was republicans refused to take their seats in Stormont. The parades started peacefully, but a group started to take over the organisation with a republican agenda and their militants started to attack police. Becuase of the republican bias then being projected, the Civil Rights lost most of its Protestant support and became more republican. The militants then organised demonstrations and confrontations with police resulting in riots when the marchers attacked the police. The Britsh ARmy weere brought in to support the police and to protect the minority community. Sothe reason the Britsh Army was tere was BECAUSE of the riots during the Civil Rights protests/confroontations.

We know why the officer class gave the grunts 'Bromide Tea" every evening after dinner, to stop the hanky panky in the billets after lights out. a great testament to the types who joined the British army.They could not then interrupt the hanky panky in the officers mess a double hanky panky success story.

Schon.I labeled you as a soldier which you stated you were and didn't comment on your political views.I was referring to the brainwashing and mentality of your average soldier in a regular army.You say the only thing you see is hate and disinformation.Hate is your emotional reaction to what YOU read and the disinformation is open to question.

Schon.I'm Irish living in Ireland by the way.You stated. Quote"You see we weren't sectarian and we enforced the rule of law without bias"Unquote.Your British army upheld the status quo using force and the killing of civil rights marchers whose only wish was to change some injustices of a bigoted NI government using peaceful means.Your British army took the peaceful option and right to protest AWAY from the Irish people by shooting them.Are you proud of that?Was that helping people?Your British army take away the peaceful option that people have to express their wishes and needs and when they have no alternative but to use violent means they are murdering terrorists?What do you suggest people do AFTER they have been shot when using peaceful means???...That's my point.

@Schon: I spotted and replied to your post about 'Ireland's history of national socialism'. You might read it when you find the time. Regards.