Irish community in Britain needs to be more like Irish Americans
Published Monday, February 22, 2010, 8:27 AM
Updated Monday, March 8, 2010, 4:31 PM
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McNabb1966 | Feb 23, 2010, 08:03 AM EST
The answer to Watchman's question lies in the different cultural and historical realities of the United States and England. The Irish in American have adapted to life on this side of the Atlantic while the Irish in England adapted according to the realities over there. So the difference lies not in who they or what they represent but where they are and what problems they've had to cope with. "American" is not a race or even an ethnicity. Therefore it is perfectly possible for an American to be proud of his or her citizenship and ethnic heritage. On the other hand, "English" has been viewed as an ethnicity that is different from the Irish (Anglo-Saxon vs. Celtic) and until the 20th Century was even considered to be racially different. Therefore in England there has always been less (basically none) of a middle ground as there was in the U.S. One either had to stay totally "Irish" and be treated like a interloper or "the other" OR one could go all the way and adopt a "British" identity. So the choice has been: be ostracized or be assimilated. Nothing in between.
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Ajreaper | Feb 22, 2010, 07:53 PM EST
LOL, hasn't the Irish community in the U.S. had a couple of hundred years to morph into "100%" Americans as you call it? I think you confuse our nationality with our ethnicity.
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Rebelforce | Feb 22, 2010, 04:58 PM EST
Where did watchman get the crazy idea that you have to jettison your Irish ancestry in order to be 100% American? Why the very idea of such a thing is downright un-American.
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manhattan | Feb 22, 2010, 01:54 PM EST
Mr. Watchman, no one loves America more then those of Irish decent but we are very proud of our irish heritage and will continue to call ourselves irish americans. I love how that annoys you. The irish in Britain had to be low key because of the prejudice against them.
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Watchman | Feb 22, 2010, 11:54 AM EST
I note that you refer to "Irish-Americans," but the "Irish community in Britain". Is this because you cannot accept the idea of Irish people morphing (perhaps murphing) into Brits, which is in fact what has happened for centuries? No one ever called Jim Callaghan or Denis Healey Irish-Britons (still less Anglo-Irish) precisely because, as politicians, they saw themselves as 100 per cent British. How long will it take, do you suppose, for the Irish community in the United States to become 100 per cent American? Until the Twelfth of Never would be my guess.
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