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Irish community divided as Obama backs same-sex marriage

Gay pride for some but others see politics at work, as reaction split along political lines


renton Garris, right, joins other demonstrators showing their support for President Barack Obama as he visits the Paramount Theater one day after announcing his support for same sex marriage, in Seatt
Trenton Garris, right, joins other demonstrators showing their support for President Barack Obama as he visits the Paramount Theater one day after announcing his support for same sex marriage, in Seattle on Thursday, May 10
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Last week President Barack Obama endorsed the right of same sex couples in loving relations to get married, and reaction to the news in the Irish community has predictably divided along political lines.

New York City Council Speaker Christine Quinn, who will marry her longtime partner Kim Catullo in the city on Saturday, May 19 told the press that the president’s endorsement was “historic” and “a game-changer that made gay, lesbian and transgender people stand a little taller.”

In a television interview with Fox News, Irish American Quinn said that when she and Catullo “walk down that aisle, it’s going to feel like the president is supporting us and that is an amazing feeling.

“To feel that you’re not just supported by your city, you’re not just supported by your state, you’re actually supported by the president of the United States… it’s a feeling of support and affirmation and equality that just wasn't there before the president said this.”

Well-known Irish gay activist Brendan Fay, who first married his partner Tom Molton in Canada when same sex unions became legal there in 2005, told the Irish Voice he was also delighted and moved by Obama’s endorsement.

“Within one hour of the statement going public I started hearing from friends and activists in Ireland, India and Europe,” Fay confessed.

“It’s on the front page of every newspaper across the world. My great hope is that his call for marriage equality translates soon into legislative change in the United States. We need to see an end to the discrimination in law.”

Fay, a native of Drogheda, Co. Louth, says the president’s message of support will reach into the hearts of gay youth, many of whom continue to be bullied and harassed in the nation’s schools and churches.

“In the way a previous generation talk about Kennedy visiting Ireland or Neil Armstrong landing on the moon, to me I will always think of this as a watershed moment as I sat at my desk and watched the news break. This is not just news, this is a historic event with major implications,” Fay added.
Jeff Cleary, the national co-chair of the Irish American Republicans group, was unimpressed with the president’s stance.

“It was hardly a surprise. This idea he was evolving on the issue is a little silly. Anyone with any political acumen could see this coming from a mile away,” Cleary told the Irish Voice.

“He didn’t do this four years ago because he wouldn’t have gotten the nomination. Fast forward now and he’s in the re-election mode, and he had to do it.”

Cleary sees political calculation, not political courage, as the motivating factor in Obama’s announcement.

“I don’t see courage in it. It was natural for him to do it, it was politically expedient. I certainly would never tie the word courage to it,” he said.

“Social conservatives were never going to vote for him. Overall it probably helps him with his base.”
Cleary supports civil unions that grant gay couples the same rights and entitlements of marriage, putting him at odds with the presumptive GOP nominee Romney, who neither supports gay marriage or civil unions.


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I have heard that the Christian Democrats are very upset with Obumma !! GOOD !!
hollabackgurl, where you twenty years ago?
SEANSKELLIGS if the 'heterosexual community' aren't ramming their sexuality down gay people's throats then what do you call thirty plus states voting to prevent gays from marrying? What's a wedding ring, a bridal shower, a stag night, an engagement party, what's an episode of any soap opera, any TV drama, most every film ever made? You're too stupid to debate but you could try opening your OWN heterosexist eyes. I want to vote to silence you and prevent you from marrying.
@@@@@@@seanskelligs | May 17, 2012, 11:40 AM EDT Stevenstar and Ciara: I do live in Ireland and am a solicitor so know exactly what the position is in Ireland. I know for an absolute fact that 73% supporting this is just rubbish. Most people dont really care one way or the other (as do I) but deeply resent peoples sexuality being rammed down their thropat at every opportunity. How come pretty well no straight person discusses their sexuality in public-it is a private thing. However I have yet to meet a gay person who does not go to lengths to tell you they are gay immediately. Frankly I dont care and dont want to know. It is because of this non stop bombardment coupled with the propaganda that most people support it that I am voting against it if there ever is a referendum. I have two brothers and their families who are not voting Obama because he made an election year statement on what is essentially a private matter between two people. Most States have rejected this but the gay community wont accept the democratic will of the people-most recently proposition 9 in California. If a referendum were held now in Ireland there would be absolutely zero chance of it being passed. Who knows if a referendum took place in 20 years but right now there is no chance as those who claimed 70% support for divorce found out.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>MATE I COULDNT CARE LESS IF YOU WAS THE GHOST OF CHRISTMAS PAST ,,, YOU HAVE A REALLY 'BAD ATTITUDE' GOING ON THERE .. JUST BECAUSE YOUR A SOLICITOR OR WHATEVER DONT THINK U CAN TALK DOWN TO PEOPLE .. AND AS FAR AS BEEN IRISH IF YOUR IRISH THEN IM MICHAEL FLATLEY .. FIRSTLY GAY MARRIAGE WILL BE COMING INTO IRELAND INLINE WITH THE REST OF EUROPE SO YOU'LL NEED TO DROP THAT ATTITUDE AS DONT FORGET ITS ME JOE PUBLIC THAT PAYS YOUR BILLS ...
seanskelligs, the 73% support for gay marriages in Ireland was a Red C poll conducted in February. The matter will be discussed at the Constitutional Convention, among many other things of course.
seanskelligs, no straight person of a certain age in Ireland doesn't discuss their sexuality because the Catholic Church so intimidated them not to talk about sexuality from their earliest years. It was considered something shameful. It's not thought that way today among young people in Ireland.
Ciara, it's the un intended consequences of re defining marriage as opposed to defining gay marriage. There is a difference, the same as there are differences in sexual outcomes. My advise (which is worth little) is to support traditional marriage while defining a new definition of same sex marriage. If you want all the legal rights it can be done now.
Sean, the sex life of straight people is on every tv show every single day so I think its fair to say that it is in peoples faces. Inter racial marriage was illegal in the US up to not so long ago so how is this any different? Its about civil rights. Are you also against inracial marriages? People like dont think about someones sexuality when you meet them because you used to everyone around you being straight. I have gay friends and I didnt realise a few were gay until I met their other halves or we were talking about relationships. This poll was done here and the majority were in favour. Gay people being allowed to marry doesnt affect you. I know a couple who own a house but if one dies the other has to pay inheritance tax on the others share. Youre a lawyer, why is that ok?
Stevenstar and Ciara: I do live in Ireland and am a solicitor so know exactly what the position is in Ireland. I know for an absolute fact that 73% supporting this is just rubbish. Most people dont really care one way or the other (as do I) but deeply resent peoples sexuality being rammed down their thropat at every opportunity. How come pretty well no straight person discusses their sexuality in public-it is a private thing. However I have yet to meet a gay person who does not go to lengths to tell you they are gay immediately. Frankly I dont care and dont want to know. It is because of this non stop bombardment coupled with the propaganda that most people support it that I am voting against it if there ever is a referendum. I have two brothers and their families who are not voting Obama because he made an election year statement on what is essentially a private matter between two people. Most States have rejected this but the gay community wont accept the democratic will of the people-most recently proposition 9 in California. If a referendum were held now in Ireland there would be absolutely zero chance of it being passed. Who knows if a referendum took place in 20 years but right now there is no chance as those who claimed 70% support for divorce found out.
STEVENSTAR, top of the mornin to ya, tis a fine day. JUST LOOKIN ACROOS THE BAY TIS BEAUUTIFUL GORGEOUS DAY IN BOSTON.
Frankly, I don't care what gay or straight people do or don't do. My problem lies in the constant attack on the family unit that we all came from, some families worked some didn't but because we breathe we came from a family. I do not wish to withhold the feeling of family from two people regardless of their orientation. The issue is being used to divide us further, a divided electorate is easier to control.
StevenStar, do you hear an American accent when you read posts on Irish Central? Is it like the shouting we hear when we read your posts, all in caps?
@@borefield | May 16, 2012, 09:03 PM EDT Wise up people! There is NO SUCH TITLE AS A GAY MARRAIGE. It' s impossible.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NO YOU WISEN UP .. YOU WHO ..(IN MY BEST AMERICAN ACCENT ' ' I WANNA BE IRISH CAUSE MY GREAT GRANNYS SISTERS DOG WAS IRISH AND IMMIGRATED TO AMERICA 150 YEARS AGO' ..... GET OVER YOURSELF !!! .................. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN AMERICAN IRISHMAN IT'S IMPOSSIBLE ... IRISH BORN HERE LIVE HERE AND DONT SPEAK WITH AN AMEICAN ACCENT EITHER !!
Wise up people! There is NO SUCH TITLE AS A GAY MARRAIGE. It' s impossible.
The commie-christians are at it, again, trying to force their dogma down everyone's throat. If you don't live your life according to what they believe is right and moral, they want to deny you the same legal protections they make damn sure they get to keep. They want the state to make it okay to fire you if your boss doesn't agree with your lifestyle (and we ain't talking just gay, here). They want to tell women what they can and can't do with their own bodies (just like in Communist China). They want to fix it so you won't have a place to live or food to eat if you don't follow their guidelines (just like in the Soviet Union). They are making christianity the 21st Century's version of communism and are out to destroy individual rights and freedoms. Anyone who agrees with these disgraceful people is a traitor to everything Christ teaches and will be held accountable.




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