36 Comments

• sully1167 | Aug 09, 2010, 01:28 AM EDT

  That is true,he is a very clever nut.

• seanomelbourne | Aug 08, 2010, 08:06 PM EDT

  He is Irish he cannot be deported and until he breaks the law he cannot (nor should he) be arrested.Sometimes in a democracy we have to put up with nuts.

• sully1167 | Aug 08, 2010, 03:10 AM EDT

  Ok Sean I will elaborate more,I feel this man is a threat to the security of Ireland and should be deported. There are plenty of Muslim nations to live in.

• seanomelbourne | Aug 08, 2010, 12:37 AM EDT

  If you've got nothing meaningful to say sully1167 You are either out of your argumentative depth or clueless.

• seanomelbourne | Aug 07, 2010, 08:05 PM EDT

  How were 7 million people disenfranchised ? The judge gave his decision and has the constitutional right to do so. Because you do not like his decision is irrelevant as a appeal process is available to further your point of view. By the way the judge who handed down the decision was a Bush(senior) appointee.

• seanomelbourne | Aug 07, 2010, 07:57 PM EDT

  IandP the use of emotive language is a dehumanizing tool every country at some time has used it to desensitise the populace and gain support for their actions.You IandP use emotive dehumanizing language when referring to Muslims. I believe the filibuster is wrong regardless of which party is in power. A party releases its core agenda to the people prior to an election and the party whose promises resonates with the people are elected.In this case the dems went to the people on health care reform and won the election.A propaganda war then ensued, with millions of dollars from health insurance companies and the compliance of GOP and some dems conducted a campaign to line the pockets of insurance boards and usurp the democratically elected governments agenda(on which they were elected). The USA is the only western nation which doe's not have a government funded health scheme according to the W.H.O the U.S lies 36th in the international health care system below some South American and Middle East countries F.Y.I. France is no.1.

• sully1167 | Aug 07, 2010, 07:26 AM EDT

  How am I out of depth Sean? Please elaborate.

• IrishAndProud | Aug 06, 2010, 03:05 AM EDT

  Besides...when it's LIBERALS who are in the minority in Congress, THEY sure as bloody hell don't 'work with the democratically elected government to fix the problem,' as you say. They stimy, stonewall, filibuster and stall anywhere and everywhere they possibly, humanly can...and yet when they're in power, everyone else is just supposed to shut up, roll over, play dead and agree with them (since that is apparently how you define 'bipartisanship'). Ain't gonna happen. Self-identified liberals are already in the minority anyway, consistently shown to be 20-21% of the populace, according to Gallup (half the amount who identify as conservatives).

• IrishAndProud | Aug 06, 2010, 02:52 AM EDT

  (continued)...The U.S. government is governing AGAINST its own people virtually continuously now, sean...and it's certainly not the weak, numerically-inferior, feckless GOP who's doing it. You've got the wrong folks.

• IrishAndProud | Aug 06, 2010, 02:51 AM EDT

  sean, I can only speak for myself -- but where have you seen me deHUMANIZE and name-call illegals? Their humanity is not in question; their legal status is, and we are being overrun with them and being told by unelected courts that we cannot do spit about it (despite overwhelming public outcry). And sean...pardon my saying so but looking to the Repubs (who were democratically elected to their offices to stand up for the agenda the voters PUT them there to uphold) is not a very good example of going against democracy (and they don't have the numbers to stop anything, anyway, ultimately). But I'll tell you what IS a good example of un-democratic stuff: passing health 'reform' when a majority of the USA was (and is still) screaming against it; shrugging off a voter-passed Proposition in Missouri (with many more states to follow) that REJECTS Obamacare's mandate that most Americans MUST purchase health insurance (which is blatantly unconstitutional)...that Prop passed with SEVENTY PERCENT of the vote, and Obama's mouthpiece Robert Gibbs said their vote means 'nothing'; the federal government taking a state to court, over a law with massive majority support, and which merely mirrors the federal law which the feds won't enforce; a single, unelected judge disenfranchising 7 MILLION VOTERS from the bench by overturning a voter-passed, voter-approved initiative (in California) to define marriage as between one man and one woman -- and doing precisely the same thing (bypassing/disenfranchising voters) in state after state after state on that issue, and a Democrat congressman just the other day openly boasting and bragging that this voter-hostile, voter-ignoring, voter-mocking BLOATED government 'can do most anything in this country' in response to a woman who asked what it CAN'T force anyone to do, etc etc etc.

• seanomelbourne | Aug 05, 2010, 10:14 PM EDT

  Over 90% of illegal immigrants in Australia are released into the general community after security and health checks. They are held in air-conditioned holding camps until the above criteria is complete. I understand the U.S. has a serious immigration problem that is never my point. It's the name calling and the dehumanisation of illegals.Pandering to racists and conducting fear and smear campaigns is hardly the answer. Or a broken parliamentary system where the minority party refuse to work with the democratically elected government to fix the problem. The GOP prefer to cowardly hide behind a filibuster and try to rule from a minority. And you call this democracy!!!

• AmAncINED | Aug 05, 2010, 09:13 PM EDT

  Maybe that's one reason Australia is doing so well - it has such strict immigration requirements.

• IrishAndProud | Aug 05, 2010, 02:37 PM EDT

  'Muslim BROTHERS?' That might explain your tolerance of their intolerance...in your very homeland, Sean (I thought you had American ancestry, somewhere). And, if I'm not mistaken Australia also has one of the toughest immigration requirement systems in the world -- one that would make the U.S. look rather mild by comparison. Yes, Sean...I look to Australia as a shining example: of how immigration/assimilation should be done. As for your economy, you don't have the likes of Obama to screw it over, so I'm happy for you. The USA no longer supports him, so perhaps you'd be happy to have him 'help' you down under, also, and 'improve' things, even more. He's sure not popular up in the northern half, anymore.

• seanomelbourne | Aug 05, 2010, 07:29 AM EDT

  Irish born living in Australia, a social democratic LIBERAL country where unemployment is low and the banks did not crash. With the best performing economy in the world. Figures released today a trade surplus of $3 billion dollars for the month of June. Everybody gains including our Muslim brothers. "Don't ya jest hate that" IandP. Sully your out of your depth.

• sully1167 | Aug 05, 2010, 05:34 AM EDT

  Get him the hell out of Ireland!

• IrishAndProud | Aug 04, 2010, 11:17 PM EDT

  Irish? I thought you were Australian.

• seanomelbourne | Aug 04, 2010, 11:12 PM EDT

  I am Irish you are not The Dail will manage ok without your hands on the lanyard. I bet you have nightmares of Irish dervish dancers or Ali baba wearing Irish garb. Not to worry you can sit by the fire in your Montana bunker howling your invectives at the moon.

• srcarrvt | Aug 04, 2010, 08:42 PM EDT

  GK Cherston once said That it is important for the landlady who is considering a lodger to know his income, but it is more important to know his philosophy. Like wise, for the General about to fight an enemy, it is important to know the enemy's numbers, but still more important to know the enemy's world view.

• IrishAndProud | Aug 04, 2010, 08:28 PM EDT

  Oh, thanks, seanny. I'll add that to my list, now. You cannot be Irish if you're A) pro-Israel, B) conservative, C) anti-illegal entry (illegal aliens), and now...D) opposed to Muslims destroying Irish culture and flying the Islamic flag over the Dail. Keep me informed if there's any more I missed.

• srcarrvt | Aug 04, 2010, 08:19 PM EDT

  Hollabackgurl, Fox News has NOTHING to do with this issue nor any other. They just report what the other programs DON'T HAVE THE COURAGE OF THEIR CONVICTIONS to do. And as to being embarressed about that man apologizing for the terrible words of this idiot - YOU'RE EMBARRESSED? How do you THINK HE FEELS AND ALL OF HIS COUNTRY MEN/WOMEN feel about these out of control radical? Oh my... the 60's are rearing their ugly heads once again and so it goes.....

• FlynnMcCool | Aug 04, 2010, 08:17 PM EDT

  Islam, like all religions have their "nut jobs". I for one wish to live in peace, with those to live in peace also. May these Moslems, who seek peace, do so in a world of toleration for all people and their respectful religions,enshallah.

• seanomelbourne | Aug 04, 2010, 07:28 PM EDT

  IandP the Muslim hatemonger spreading his swill again. I bet you're not Irish. Anyone with a contra opinion to yours is a dirty commie leftist Jew hater,how sad the way your mind works. What happened you in your childhood.

• IrishAndProud | Aug 04, 2010, 05:14 PM EDT

  I did not see anywhere in this letter a rebuke of Kelly's wish to see the Islamic flag fly over the Dail, in Ireland. And with Islam earth's fastest-growing religion, and with non-assimilation of its communities within Ireland and the rest of the west, and with NO renunciation of its oft-stated goal of world conquest, well...I still believe that Islam has no place whatsoever in Ireland. The only way to remove the threat is to remove the source. If none of it's around, there's no chance of it taking root and perpetuating itself. As for Hollabackgurl, (sigh)...she's just a leftist, Muslim apologist who saw the above letter as an opening to take yet another cheap shot against the American majority she hates (talk about full of hate...your post contradicts itself by the hatred you show toward conservatives, hollabackgurl) -- even though she herself would be among the first to be stoned or otherwise executed if these Muslim radicals get their way. The ongoing irony of the left's support of Islam. It's just one way of many that the left has, of sticking their middle finger in the majority's face...nothing more.

• JoePatAl | Aug 04, 2010, 04:41 PM EDT

  In terms of the comments, peaceful but not possible when dealing with islam by irishbob & FastEddy, mentioning the potential imprisonment of Mr. Kelly fails to account for the fact that detention is what *they* would want to serve as to make him an icon. Of course, actual execution would declare him a martyr and going to heaven with all those concubine women waiting upon him, hence an even better situation. However, Western law does not execute upon free speech unlike a islam. afterall, having a woman (just last month) getting a hanging sentence for wearing 'improper' clothing is damn drastic. In terms of FastEddy's message, the "rest of the Irish muslim" and others do not speak out becuase they know the penalty!!! Yes, I do think those two people are right and very proper in their commentary but, unfortunately, islam has no proper method except to provide death!!! It is a shame that we have Western ideals when the mecca folks only want distruction. I know, as a person who had intimate knowledge of the WTC (NOT there *that* day, but literally watched it get built from Day 1 and was a visitor inside the buidlings before they offcially opened) and firmly opposed to a mosk (misspelling on purpose) being set near the site as a muslim victory place. Read their history and realize that while our 'religious freedom' is OK for the location but their culture demands it must be on that spot

• hollabackgurl | Aug 04, 2010, 04:36 PM EDT

  I'm embarrassed that Mohammed AlKabour felt he had to clear the air over the comments made by a lone nut. I'm sick to death of the Fox News inspired lynch mobs chasing the undocumented, peaceful American muslims, gays, and every other peaceful minority they can exploit to prevent us all noticing that their paymasters in the GOP are apologizing to BP.

• irishbob | Aug 04, 2010, 03:44 PM EDT

  As an Irish-American, I must congratulate Mr. AlKabour for having a big enough set of you know what to speak out against the radical Irish Muslim Mr. Kelly. I only wish we here in America, Muslins and non-Muslins alike, would speak out against these radicals before it is too late. For anyone to openly call for the killing of someone for doing nothing more than drawing a cartoon, as well as declaring his own country a legitimate target for terrorist attacks, is nothing short of treason. Mr. Kelly should be dealt with in a court of law, and imprisoned for the treasonous acts he applauds.

• FastEddy | Aug 04, 2010, 02:19 PM EDT

  " ... We are dealing with a delusional sociopath who has no respect for the sanctity of human life. ... Kelly should be prosecuted for inciting violence and issuing death threats ... he called outright for the killing of the Swedish cartoonist Lars Vilks ..." ... Mmmmm compared to what, exactly? The taliban? The Iranians? The various Saudi cults of violence? "Why can't we all just get along? ..." When are the rest of Irish Muslims and other Muslims at large throughout the world prepared to condemn these other violent cults?

• mayoman | Aug 04, 2010, 02:12 PM EDT

  It is good to be reminded that the vast majority of Muslims are decent and peace-loving people, and that the loathesome terrorist scum that preach hate and who murder innocent people are in a small minority. This sick and misguided minority that distorts Islamic dogma is our enemy, not Islam.

• eileend | Aug 04, 2010, 01:43 PM EDT

  I'm so tired of people demonizing the Islamic faith with a huge, single-colored paintbrush without knowing any more than what Fox News tells them. Remember. Timothy McVeigh killed in the name of Jesus. So did David Koresh and Jim Jones. I guess that makes all of us baby-killers and terrorist. As for the fact that a single moral authority saves a religion means that, since the vatican is definitely a single authority on moral issues, we're safe from travesties like sexual abuse, the demeaning of women, and war on other religions. Really? No. I don't agree with the social laws that have cropped up around a basically peaceful, respectful religion(the same could be said for my own). But the only thing we do by isolating and castigating those of the Islamic faith is strengthening their will and radicalism. I'll give you a comparison. The US has had a sizeable population of Muslims for at least 100 years that have been accepted as neighbors and friends, but nobody's really heard about them. They have assimilated, not fought. On the other hand, there is a country whose citizens were denied their faith, had their faith belittled, called its defenders terrorists. Can you deny that is one of the reasons the Catholic Church has always been such a force in Ireland and the world beyond where her children fled to practice their religion safely? I say thank you to the Muslim people of Ireland for taking such a stand. They want to live peaceably with us. I think we owe them the same courtesy.

• JoePatAl | Aug 04, 2010, 01:19 PM EDT

  Yes, the commentary may be nice and pleasant. However, the fundamental flaw of islam is its inflexibility. Afterall, those of *that* faith may come to dear ole' Eire, for visiting, living, working, as well as having families, but do not have any Catholic Irish person come to arabia, particularly mecca, for any of those reasons as it is deeply forbidden. Yes, they can come to the Vatican, visit Knock, tour Dublin and stop at any place they want but 'we' cannot do it over there. Despite whatever is attempted via our 'political correctness,' islam is merely fascism with a religious excuse. Those new immigrants, following muhammed, will be only too happy to turn Hibernia into another mecca. In other words, they use our freedoms of expression and equality to allow them to come here and look forward to destroy it upon when they get control. In other words, our women, when visiting them will be required to be covered head to toe, but when their females visit here, will they ever use a kilt? The similarities of an ayatollah or Hitler are more than simple coincidences. In other words, the so-called power of god is despicable at any time, any place, and any situation. All one needs to do is look at NYC and see the "temple of victory" being placed near the WTC. What church is allowed to function in any of their major cities?

• mhichil | Aug 04, 2010, 12:35 PM EDT

  If we would police our own , there would be no wars, and a lot less conflict. The beauty of the freedom of speech is that it lets the rest of us identify the crack pots like kelly before they cause harm.

• KMcSinger | Aug 04, 2010, 12:27 PM EDT

  Brilliant letter! All religious extremists of all persuasions drag the rest of us down! It's important to remember that there are quite a few looney Christians out there too! It must be deeply depressing to be a normal peace loving Muslim at this time.

• christywalsh | Aug 04, 2010, 12:19 PM EDT

  I do not question the sincerity of the Former Secretary General of the Muslim Council of Ireland's letter. I would however point out that the equality between the sexes is not something Islam embrasses nor obhorence to female crotch mutilations but which is now inherently part of European/Irish society. As has been stated previously Islam has no centre which is in itself cause for concern and likely much of the mistrust that Irish people may have for Muslims --even if that is undesrving.

• bostonblakie | Aug 04, 2010, 11:57 AM EDT

  With all due respect to decent Muslims we must never forget the threat posed by others who use Islam to justify the most hateful behavior imaginable in furtherance of their aims. Islam is lacking a center of gravity from which clear moral guidance can be obtained by adherents who are allowed to come to their own conclusions independently, with disasterous results in many cases.

• akellyny | Aug 04, 2010, 10:35 AM EDT

  Well said.

• jakeleg | Aug 04, 2010, 09:35 AM EDT

  Muslim 's can't be trusted,and planning to take over..and the liberal bleeding hearts are letting them.. Be like France; stop them before it's too late.They are cold hearted with no respect for human life, just pushing their crazy culture down our throats.