Irish Catholics angered over Cardinal Timothy Dolan’s comments on Irish College in Rome
Dolan’s report slammed as factually lacking and biased
Published Thursday, June 21, 2012, 8:16 AM
Updated Thursday, June 21, 2012, 8:16 AM
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Maureen Hawkins | Mar 19, 2013, 05:47 PM EDT
Just goes to show that Dolan & the hard-line conservative, misogynic, homophobic, pederast-protecting curia he represents is out of touch with the majority of Irish as well as Irish-American Catholics.
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seanomelb | Jun 23, 2012, 09:20 PM EDT
Eiriamach your post is spot on. Unfortunately the truth is not what some people require. They only wish for guidance to justify their ignorance or bigotry
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eiriamach | Jun 23, 2012, 05:49 PM EDT
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the Sandusky Case in the US, in which the jury returned last night with verdicts of guilty on 45 counts of pedophilia-related charges: sexual abuse, child endangerment, etc. Sandusky's wife of many years, along with his children, will probably continue to think of him as heterosexual despite the fact that all victims who testified against him were young boys at the time of the sexual exploitation. Most pedophiles are heterosexual, and many are married with children. Although some target same-sex children, this fact gives NO reason to smear homosexuals as likely to prey on children. Homosexuals are far less likely to commit sexual violence than heterosexuals. Check out the studies.
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eiriamach | Jun 23, 2012, 03:43 PM EDT
Well, we tried, but Mairint has proven ineducable. It is often difficult to penetrate the solid rock wall of ideology that relies upon misinformation-- ultimately, lies and distortions that do harm by deepening homophobia and undermining efforts to remove pedophiles. "Pedophiles"-- those who abuse and attack CHILDREN. Homosexuals are not attracted to CHILDREN; pedophiles are attracted to children and exploit children. The ideologue counts nothing, no fact or statistics, as evidence against his or her view. "My mind is made up. Don't confuse me with the facts!" Hopeless.
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dingle999 | Jun 22, 2012, 11:19 PM EDT
"if you prefer to support truth rather than express your hatred of the Church."
I get it open my mind and express my hatred towards homosexuals. BTW do you know anything about Maynooth College in the 1980s ?
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johnozed | Jun 22, 2012, 11:57 AM EDT
to mairint: why do so many pedophiles identify as being heterosexual? please explain oh wise one.
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eiriamach | Jun 22, 2012, 11:36 AM EDT
I strongly recommend John McNeill's online article (DignityUSA web site) about "Objective Disorder" in RCC's teaching on homosexuality. Writing about the Vatican's public barring of homosexuals from the priesthood, he argues, "It is a political document issued in self-defense by the human and sinful hierarchy of the institutional church. The hierarchy, rather than accept their responsibility for this [sex abuse] crisis, decided to scapegoat gay priests and seminarians. Starting with the fact that the vast majority of the victims were young boys, some high officials in Rome and many in the United States [eg., Card. Dolan's 2011 John Jay Report] declared that the majority of the perpetrators were homosexual priests. They assumed without evidence that every same-sex act implies homosexual orientation. In fact, most empirical research evidence points to the opposite conclusion. The majority of men involved in child abuse are heterosexual. The motivation for most child abusers is not sex but power.
A more probable explanation for the abuse, according to the vast majority of psychologists is the high number of priests who were immature, insecure about their tendencies and full of doubt and guilt."
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jamieLM | Jun 22, 2012, 10:30 AM EDT
Agree with ciaradexy. The definition of a pedophile is "an adult with a sexual desire for children." This ABNORMAL condition is not based on the sexual preference of the adult. There are both heterosexual and homosexual pedophiles. @EphraimKibbey, good post.
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ciaradexy | Jun 22, 2012, 07:13 AM EDT
What idiots dont know the difference between homosexual and paedophile??
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EphraimKibbey | Jun 21, 2012, 11:51 PM EDT
@mairint - Why do people keep confusing homosexuality with pedophilia? @PiperMac52 - the problems all began for the RCC when bibles started being printed in the vernacular. People could read what Christ ACTUALLY preached.
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eiriamach | Jun 21, 2012, 11:51 PM EDT
There are homosexuals in the priesthood, always have been, and the majority of them, like the majority of heterosexuals, are celibate. You cannot blame the sexual abuse of minors (pedophilia) on homosexuals. The sexual abuse studies tell a different story. Cardinal Dolan's war against homosexuals--both in and outside the priesthood--is a red herring, a political strategy, a distraction from a problem he cannot fix.
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mairint | Jun 21, 2012, 10:50 PM EDT
If there is even a sniff of homosexuality going on in seminaries, or even the approval of it, it has to be stopped without delay. You folk who criticize this action must support the pederasty that got into the priesthood which lead to the abuse of minors. You cant have it both ways. To protect young people from sexual predators all organizations and institutions must put up parameters. Just look at the determined worming away at the Boy Scouts of America as homosexual activists continue to insist on their being allowed involvement with the boys. People are not stupid when they see through the not so 'Gay' campaign.
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Nicoletta | Jun 21, 2012, 10:25 PM EDT
Ich don't think so!
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jamthecat | Jun 21, 2012, 08:45 PM EDT
Why anyone cares what this criminal has to say is beyond me. He belongs in prison for helping pedophiles get away with their crimes, not "investigating" branches of the Catholic Church.
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