Irish Catholics angered over Cardinal Timothy Dolan’s comments on Irish College in Rome
Dolan’s report slammed as factually lacking and biased
Published Thursday, June 21, 2012, 8:16 AM
Updated Thursday, June 21, 2012, 8:16 AM
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eiriamach | Jun 21, 2012, 06:40 PM EDT
That's not the irony, PiperMac. "Aggressive orthodoxy" is a potent political tool in Dolan's hands. His oversight of the 2011 John Jay Report ensured that it would falsely blame homosexual priests (and "the Woodstock" generation) for his NY's abuse scandal. Well, sure, aren't ALL 11-year-old boys post-puberty and therefore not of interest to pedophiles and enticing only to homosexuals? His "aggressive orthodoxy" has deepened homophobia among Catholics and kept discriminatory laws in place. Next, with "aggressive orthodoxy," he demanded that the Obama administration allow him the "religious" liberty to deprive female employees of their freedom of conscience to choose contraceptives covered by insurance --his campaign against the HHS Rule. Next, if "liberalized and culturally relevant" describes the work of American nuns who minister to the poor, the homeless, gay teens driven out by parents, pregnant teens, families trying to adopt, children whose only source of self-respect is their parochial school, and the 46 million Americans without health insurance who count on the nuns for health care, then yes, Cardinal Dolan is bringing the nuns "back in line" with his "aggressive orthodoxy" too. Don't forget his "charitable" Milwaukee pedophile buy-outs! The overwhelming irony is the harm done to the teens, the women, the sick poor, the sisters, the LGBT community, the sex-abuse victims, and the Catholic faithful, who are now more mean-spirited-- and further from Christ-- than ever as they follow this staunch defender of "doctrine and sacred tradition."
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seanomelb | Jun 21, 2012, 06:33 PM EDT
The destruction of liberalism in the RCC church is almost complete.Time for the liberal theologians to form their own church.The time for schism is now.
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PiperMac52 | Jun 21, 2012, 05:13 PM EDT
I find it ironic that the same media that continually demonizes the church over the sex abuse scandal, now laments the actions by the hierarchy to bring the many catholic institutions which have become liberalized and culturally relevant back in line with true catholic teachings and doctrine. Remember, the church is NOT a democratic organization. It is a hierarchical body as established by Christ himself. Truth is for too long the hierarchy has taken a hands off approach to dissidents and Nuns who have forsaken Catholic tenets for secular position which are the antitheses of doctrine and sacred tradition. Kudos to Cardinal Dolan and the Vatican for finally waking up.
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PatriciaMarya | Jun 21, 2012, 04:35 PM EDT
With the exception of Wounded Knee, I am in complete agreement with the rest of the posters. I am a New Yorker and this man laughs way too much and way too often. I had heard of the Milwaukee debacle and it does seem as though he wants to follow Egan, another off-putting man. I guess the thrill of Prada shoes and all of that embroidery is the way these two gents wish to go. Too bad that the vow of Poverty that the Nuns must adhere to does not pertain to Cardinals. I also loved that sly unproved reference to the Irish institution being "gay-friendly" - always put out that sound-bite when you wish to create shadows. Disgusting example of blowhard and pompous authoritarian power in action. No wonder I proudly consider myself a catholic with a small "c."
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WoundedKnee | Jun 21, 2012, 02:39 PM EDT
O'Shea: I'm an Irish Catholic, and, despite the crazy claim in your headline, I was not angered by Cardinal Dolan's comments. Get your facts straight.
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Nicomax | Jun 21, 2012, 12:19 PM EDT
The Vatican and Syria have something in common- a death wish to hang onto power as long as possible, no matter what.
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shamrocks | Jun 21, 2012, 12:18 PM EDT
When Dolan was in Milwaukee the joke was that he didn't need a flock; he only needed his mirror. Seems his pomposity has only become worse and he is on a self serving road to do whatever is needed to become closer to the Vatican and get his name as the "one in the know"...
There is a reason that Pride is one of the Seven Deadly Sins. It is a shame that he seems to be the cardinal speaking for the US Catholics.
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eiriamach | Jun 21, 2012, 11:37 AM EDT
Instead of attacking the reputations of the trustees and faculty of the Irish College in Rome, why didn't Cardinal Dolan simply offer them his "severance package," you know, the $20,000 plus lifetime pensions that he gave the Milwaukee pedophile priests to move off his block and go somewhere else? Or maybe he did offer them bribes, and they said no!
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CitizenWhy | Jun 21, 2012, 11:09 AM EDT
The Dolan windbag operation deflates in Ireland but inflates in Rome, with the pope and his royal court, and that's all that counts to ecclesiastical ladder climbers. I have a wee bit of a suspicion that this report was part of a Vatican scheme to get back at Ireland for closing its grandiose Vatican embassy.
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handsome68 | Jun 21, 2012, 11:00 AM EDT
I've always been grateful to a woman friend of mine, also a practicing Catholic, who told me what to say one time when I thought I was about to meet the last so-called Irish-American Cardinal of New York, Terence Egan. She said, "Just say, 'Good (whatever), your Eminence. It is time. Time to step down'."
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eiriamach | Jun 21, 2012, 09:59 AM EDT
He considers himself bound by "the promised confidentiality" despite knowing the harm that confidentiality, secrecy, cover-ups, and shredding of documents have brought to his Church. Has he no sense of irony? The Irish bishops nailed his "assertive orthodoxy" and "homophobia." Really, in Card. Dolan's case it's not only homophobia but moral obtuseness, maybe even indifference, to the harm that his anti-gay campaign has caused. Moral obtuseness is what happens when a churchman allows "assertive orthodoxy" to replace human compassion for victims.
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McNamara31 | Jun 21, 2012, 09:49 AM EDT
Ireland is the only country who has stood firm and spoke truth to the Vatican. If the Vatican truly cared about the people of Ireland the Pope would have come to this past week’s conference and tried to make healing amends; but he didn't. The Vatican is now sending its "political cardinals" around the world to do their intimidation for them. Too bad they didn't send these powerful cardinals to aid the children abused by pedophile priests and the Vatican system which protected them.
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dev4 | Jun 21, 2012, 09:11 AM EDT
the truth hurts eh
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