The Irish Minister for Education, Ruari Quinn, says that religious orders in the country that have been found culpable in the sexual abuse of children are not able to pay their share of the compensation owed to victims.
However, he also went on to say that he is still going to pursue every means possible to get the compensation from them.
The total compensation package for victims of sexual abuse is some $1.84 billion dollars and the plan was for it to be split between Irish taxpayers and religious orders where abuse took place.
The Residential Institutions Redress Scheme is the authority that makes the awards to victims of abuse.
Its mission, according to its website, is to “make fair and reasonable awards to persons who, as children, were abused while resident in industrial schools, reformatories and other institutions subject to state regulation or inspection.”
There are 18 religious orders under the authority’s jurisdiction.
It now seems that the onus will be placed on the taxpayer to stump up more than the 50 percent originally planned.
Quinn is trying to get the orders to hand over deeds of schools and other property assets to redress the cash shortfall, but many of the properties are now owned by trusts and not directly by the orders.
“Please give us the title deeds of your educational infrastructure,” is what Quinn is asking of the religious orders in question, according to the Irish Independent.
"The property market has collapsed; the market value of capital assets has plummeted,” he added.
"Nobody wants to bankrupt the orders, who have made a positive contribution for generations to this country, for which this country is grateful, myself included."
Quinn wants the schools to continue to operate but wants ownership transferred to the government so that the orders can be seen to be doing as much as possible to pay their share.
"As there is a considerable shortfall to be overcome to realize the 50pc contribution towards the ultimate cost of the response to residential institution child abuse, I would request your congregation's views on how a sharing of the costs on a 50:50 basis will be realized."
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Switch to the desktop site to post a comment.jpf | May 20, 2012, 06:54 PM EDT
The Cathlioc church needs to go away they have so polluted Christianity and misrepresented Christ's teachings. I cant belive the tax payer is on the hook for the immorality of the church.
Intercessor | Apr 25, 2012, 09:56 AM EDT
Every archdiocese has an "Investment Portfoliio." Many of the portfolios include property that was willed to the Church in hope of furthering the Gospel, but instead, it's kept away from public view. Also many archdiocese have stocks and bonds. Can you imagine Jesus investing in the stock market instead of feeding and clothing the poor? The taxpayer shouldn't need to pay for the crimes committed by Pedophile Priests, when the Church has more than enough property to sell to pay her full share of the settlements. Also if taxpayers, end up buying Church properties, then, they'll end up paying taxes on the properties. Selling off Church properties sounds like a win-win situation for the taxpayer (though maybe not the Church) to me!
LilPaddy | Apr 11, 2012, 09:10 PM EDT
@allan: The "jockey(s)" RIDE the "ponies"... What I was just trying to point out was that the molestings at the Institution of Daingean in Co. Offaly (the most notorious in Ireland for the cruelty imposed... See childabusecommission. com) was for the majority part practiced by the stronger on the weaker inmate! With the most heinous part of that being The O.M.I. Brothers who ran the facility knew exactly who the perpetrator's (the jockies) and the victims were; but did not put a stop to it. And that is what was (is) in the DVD's I submitted to The Redress Board and Archbishop Martin.... They just didn't want to hear about or discuss the dirty truth.. Also; of the thousands of pages that are posted on the internet regarding The Ryan and/or Murphy investigation report.... They barley skim over these facts! I guess it's more popular to have stories written (as it is here on I.C) when "The Jockey" is a Priest or Brother.....
cajuntom | Apr 10, 2012, 11:00 PM EDT
I agree with Von Liebonitz---the Vatican has to pay the "bill". It is worth a fortune, but don't tell the Irish people. Even fewer will show up on Sunday.
allan07 | Apr 10, 2012, 07:37 PM EDT
@McColgan1492 it now turns out that Gerry Adams Father was also abusing the children. So it is possible this illegal activity has been passed on within families. Sad but true. What is a "jockey" and what is a "pony"? People use these terms but as layman I dont know. Do you not find it wrong for Roman Catholic priests to be involved having sex with women as its against their church rules and therefore wrong. Immoral. How can you forgive others for their sins and break the rules and trust with your own employer, Church and God? Hardly honest behaviour from so called christians. Its a bit like being a Police Officer during the day and selling drugs at night. Immoral behaviour. Dishonest people who pretend to be religious.
IrelandNorth | Apr 10, 2012, 08:30 AM EDT
The essence of real spirituality is non-institutional. To hell with all orthodoxies, Anglican, Eastern, Western etc. They are a diversion, detour and distraction from the real Jesus movement. The hierarchy of the Holy (sic) Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church is the old second temple Sanhedrin in sheeps clothing. Stop contributing your latter day second temple shekels to them and they'll go belly up. Then Christianity Inc. will become as materially bankrupt as it quite obviously is spiritually.
VonLiebenitz | Apr 09, 2012, 09:54 PM EDT
The Catholic Church is worth collectively around about 500 trillion euros.So are is the Crown and the Rothchilds.Why dont we have a mini revolution and seize their assets and distribute them to the countries they are currently in the process of bankrupting?
VonLiebenitz | Apr 09, 2012, 09:54 PM EDT
The Catholic Church is worth collectivly around about 500 trillion euros.So are is the Crown and the Rothchilds.Why dont we have a mini revolution and seize their assets and distribute them to the countries they are currently in the process of bankrupting?
MCCOLGAN1492 | Apr 09, 2012, 09:40 PM EDT
Celibacy leads to insanity, this rule is archaic, can't hold it against my man for breakin that one..We now have Altar Girls in NYC, and hopefully we will have Women and Married Men on the Altar Soon!.. Remember this, lack of religous tolerance leads to resentment and hate, and when you do this you are acting like the people you condemn........relax a little, your wound a little tight on this.... Why are you so focused on Adam's brother? Are you holding the sins of his brother against him? If that is the way you see it, we are all guilty of his sins....Liam is the guilty one who should be punished severly, leave it at that..
khayes8684 | Apr 09, 2012, 07:55 PM EDT
Ha,ha,ha what a laugh. The State should know it is dealing with the oldest corporate body in the world and one that knows all the loop holes in the law. Of course they "own" nothing but they sure reap all the rewards. How about putting a tax on church attendence? Walk inside a church, drop your euro into the government's tax box, once attendence drops I bet they find the money.
allan07 | Apr 09, 2012, 07:39 PM EDT
@Lilpaddy what is a "jockey" and a "pony"? Excuse me but this is so strange. Liam Adams (Gerry Adams brother) is in Norhern Ireland on charges of committing sexual acts on his own daughter. How crazy is that?
allan07 | Apr 09, 2012, 07:32 PM EDT
@McColgan1492 I understand what you have said. It is not a criminal act for a priest to go out with a woman. (Although it is breaking the rules of the Roman Catholic Church as all priests are supposed to take a vow of celibacy). The person whom blamed the US for the Roman Catholic Church allowing paedophile acts conducted by the RC in Ireland is misguided. He is certainly as you put it "Your man". I am not Roman Catholic and i would never support such illegal activities. He is but a fool. The Roman Catholic Church are not in touch with reality. Where abouts in the world are you? USA, Canada, Britain?
MCCOLGAN1492 | Apr 09, 2012, 06:27 PM EDT
@allen7 I stated that the priest I knew goes out with adult women, and does quite well..... That i beleave is not a crime, you didn't undestand what i wrote. Your man however, stated that it was the Americas fault for molesters in ireland, which is ridiculous....
eiriamach | Apr 09, 2012, 06:21 PM EDT
The Episcopal Church in the USA (ECUSA) also had a sexual abuse problem, but it dealt with the victims and resolved the problems with far greater efficiency than the RC and much less publicity. Two ways ECUSA reduced the suffering: 1) the Vestry of each church is made up of lay members who can be held individually financially responsible for harm done either by their priest and staff or by Vestry's failure to maintain buildings and grounds (liability for accidents), etc. ECUSA trains vestry members in relevant laws as well as polices and procedures. Believe it, those Vestry members keep a sharp out out and ask questions whenever they have any reason for concern. 2) The women whom the ECUSA has ordained since the 1970s, especially in those early years, included several who had law degrees and criminal court experience. They handled sexual abuse settlements and law cases and advised the Church on how to avoid more sexual abuse problems in the future. Ordaining those women probably saved ECUSA much anguish! And when the laity share responsibility and decision-making, they're not likely to tolerate abuses by clergy. Just two things to think about.
LilPaddy | Apr 09, 2012, 03:36 PM EDT
I guarantee an 80% reduction in claims of sexual assault; and a major increase in the $% the Church would have on hand to "pay-up", if ALL PARTIES (which includes The Redress Board, the Solicitors and Barristers who are supposedly protecting "the victims") if each and every one were required to take a polygraph!!! Oh, by the way, the molestings in Daingean (Co. Offaly) 1958 to 1960 were on a scale of at least 20to1 senior inmate on junior inmate. But the even worse part of that fact was that the staff (the O.M.I. Brothers) knew exactly who "the Jockies" and "the Ponies" were.... Proof of these facts were provided by me to The Oblates, The Redress Board and Archbishop Martin via a DVD I made from inside Daingean on August 31, and Sept. 1, 2010; which was just after telling The Redress Board (on Aug 30,10) to "stuff" their $ apology.. I am still considering using the DVD info in an expose documentary.... p.s. I was neither "a jockey" nor "a pony"..... but sadly many Dubs were... And mostly in the first catagory too!
allan07 | Apr 09, 2012, 03:29 PM EDT
@McColgan1492 I think I am right in saying Gerry Adams brother was accused of carrying out paedophile acts. When he was accused he was allowed to carry on running a youth club. How about that? Then he went on the run.
allan07 | Apr 09, 2012, 02:48 PM EDT
@McColgan1492 the issue I have is the Roman Catholic in Ireland is state controlled and the priests are given immunity from prosecution. Some may get charged but by and large the whole matter is pushed under the carpet. I am of course talking about PC priests having sex with minors. Paedophile acts. When a teacher is found guilty they lose their employment. When a priest does it he is moved around the country to a different parish or even out of the country to the US. They get moved to the Vatician until the storm passes and then onto another parish. It is idiots who blame the US, these people are inslain. They are brain washed into thinking the Roman Catholic Church is beyond the law. It is not and they should be prosecuted just like anyone who commits these illegal acts. If you know that a priest in your area is doing this then you have a duty to report it to the police. Why haven't you done so already?
peterson | Apr 09, 2012, 02:12 PM EDT
Why should taxpayers be punished ??
peterson | Apr 09, 2012, 02:11 PM EDT
Why should taxpayers be punished??
MCCOLGAN1492 | Apr 09, 2012, 10:20 AM EDT
issue is, the creeps are not a product of the US as your man claimed, and I personally could care a less if a priest has a relationship with an adult!!!
MCCOLGAN1492 | Apr 09, 2012, 10:14 AM EDT
@allan07-- that is standard operating procedure here, dont really have an issue with adults engaging in sex. Have a few kids and let the babys mama go on welfare... We accept that it is part of the system and, some of those kids grow up to be Great Leaders and contribute to the system.....This is actually much less of a drain than corrupt politicians and corporations\institutions. Issue I have is, your man blaming the US for the Irish Priests who molest children....... We have a Priest in our area who makes Tiger Woods look like Mother Theresa! I'm thinking about going to the uniform shop and buying a frock to get more tail. Bigger issue is the
redhand32 | Apr 09, 2012, 09:57 AM EDT
Mass Announcement Next Sunday "Next week's 2nd Collection will be to offset expenses for alleged Civil Damages incurred as the result of alleged Pervert Facilitation by Roman Catholic Religious Orders in Ireland. In acknowledgement of the Lord's blessing during these difficult times, we request that most families generously contribute a minimum of $250,000 Euros each. If those of you who are economically distressed can "tighten us up" to the tune of 10,000 Euros we would, of course, be most grateful. God Bless You. Thank You."
allan07 | Apr 09, 2012, 09:45 AM EDT
A few Roman Catholic priests go cycling near where i live. The protestant people have a nickname for these religious fellas. Question for anyone. What do you call a group of Roman Catholic priests out cycling? Answer. A group of paedos in their speedos of course. Simples. Ha Ha.
allan07 | Apr 09, 2012, 09:42 AM EDT
@MCGOLGAN1492 not only have the Roman Catholic priests being breaking the law they now want other religions to pay for their crimes. Of course theres quite a few children in Ireland, the offsprings of Roman Catholic priests which are never mentioned. (House keepers do more than just hoovering, ironing and washing they also relieve the parts that other beers fail to reach). So in effect they do not provide for their own children. In Northern Ireland they would have to pay Child Support Allowances to the mothers to assist with their upbringing. But they live in a world of denial and claim from the government of Northern Ireland. The Roman Catholic Church is so immoral. Of course about three hundred years ago the priests were allowed to marry and have children. The RC Church then changed the rules in order to save money. When a RC priest dies no claims can be made by children or wifes/partners for maintenances. These changes saved the RC Church a fortune. The present system allows a free passage for the RC priests and Church. Didn't you ever watch the Thornbirds? The RC priests were so sexually activate it was beyond belief. Bed hopping. Randy scoundrels.
MCCOLGAN1492 | Apr 09, 2012, 08:46 AM EDT
@PhlutiePhan- "Research has shown that problems for the Catholic Church came from the Decadent Training Recieved in the US"... What did you drink yesterday???? 1. As the Irish natives so often point out, Ireland has a much more developed and more dependant relationship with "Mother Church" than the US. Our Country is still in it's infancy. 2. A pervert\sex offender is not created over time, they are born, and rarely cured. The Catholic Church, due to it's backwards attitude towards sex, draws child molesters like moths to a flame. Time for you and yours to take responsibility for your own creeps, God knows we have enough of our own in the US. Bottom Line, take ownership of your own issues in Ireland with the Church, Grow up, man up....
bogsidebunny | Apr 09, 2012, 06:30 AM EDT
"The Irish government vows to persue every means possible to get the church to pay". What a load of crapolla. The government is in bed with the Catholic chruch and the church prelates. Government will persue every stealthy means to let the church off the hook. They don't care about the poor victims. After all they're merely "ordinary" people. It's the patronage pump politics that count and the church will win out and keep their filthy lucre in their overflowing church vaults. Mark my words.
allan07 | Apr 09, 2012, 04:50 AM EDT
Why should the non-Catholic religions pay for the sins of the Roman Catholic Church? No-one should pay for their criminal acivities but those who carried out them out or allowed them to be carried out? The Roman Catholic Church is rich with huge assets. So if the RC in Ireland cannot afford to pay then the Vatician as the holding company should pay. If a child causes damage to someones property the parents are liable as their offspring. Sell their assets, land, gold, paintings, churches and everything else if that is required. So be it. The RC in Ireland covered up the whole matter by taking funds from collections to bribe the families of the victims. The bishops then got the parents to sign documents which prevented them from talking to anyone about it. Thats bribery and also a criminal offence. Preverting the course of justice it is called. So those bishops should also be prosecuted for the prevertion of justice. If it means building more jails for these criminals then so be it. The jews, the muslims, various protestant churches are not liable for the RC crimes.
mfinucane | Apr 09, 2012, 12:41 AM EDT
let them sell, mortgage, som of thir vast land holdings. when i can't pay the bills i sell stuff on ebay or pawn it. they should too.
roibaird | Apr 08, 2012, 11:14 PM EDT
if a public company cant pay their debts-----they go bankrupt!so??????????why the differnce?
PhlutiePhan | Apr 08, 2012, 10:35 PM EDT
This is sad but presaged in the writings of Malachi Martin. The devil himself along with the deep blue sea has taken over the sanctuary. The "cancer from within" was not caught in its early stages and now we have the "devil to pay". The true culprit is Vatican II and the real motivation for the infiltration of the Catholic Church by the forces of evil. Our Lady of Fatima issued a warning and Pope John XXIII laughed at the naivete of children instead of accepting this as a warning. Research has shown that all of the problems for the Irish Church came from decadent training at institutions in the United States who gave the Irish clergy the contagion.
KatieMurphy | Apr 08, 2012, 10:06 PM EDT
I wonder what all the land and churches in Ireland would bring if sold at auction, with a stipulation they could only be used as museums to teach the horrors the church inflicted on mankind.........................Failing that, the corpoarate protections t hat separate the various pieces of the church and protect assets should be disolved...................BTW I've read the church is the single largest landholder in ITaly.....................Just anther example of how the church follows its obsessive - compusive desire for weatlh. Forgetting conveniently that money is the root of all evil.
wizardofoz | Apr 08, 2012, 09:56 PM EDT
“Have the vatican sell a few paintings as some else suggested.” That’s never going to happen. The Vatican has made it perfectly clear it is the Irish RC church that has the responsibility, nothing to do with the Vatican, let the RC church of Ireland sort it. Clever move, don’t you think?
pilib04 | Apr 08, 2012, 08:51 PM EDT
Our Church did not waste any time putting Church property beyond reach of those terrorized by priests and bishops. Any transferred property should be treated as "stolen" property. Of course, while at it, all that property stolen over the centuries by the Brits should be returned to the Church.
RichardP | Apr 08, 2012, 08:30 PM EDT
Taxpayers should not be obliged to pay a red cent for this.
RichardP | Apr 08, 2012, 08:30 PM EDT
@SeamusMor: "SHAME ON THE GREEDY LAWYERS!! Shame on the victims for not forgiving their tormenters and trying to get rich off their sins." Translated - How dare these victims of abuse, of rape, of life altering and soul-destroying deeds act like they deserve anything. Sure hasn't he Good Oul Catholic Church said "Sorry" (reluctantly and only after being forced to in almost every instance) so they should be called Bold Boys and told Don't ever do that again! What colour is the sky in your world Seamus? The Orders SHOULD be shut down, regardless of what Ruari Quinn says. The paedophile ring that is the Catholic Church would be rounded up and jailed in all civilized societies were it not for the influence the vatican still manages to wield on so many politicians. ANd just to get the disclaimers in before you go off half-cocked about it - YES we all know other Churches and organizations have paedophiles too - the same should happen to them. If you can't do the time don't do the crime. It makes me sick to hear all the blinkered calls for forgiveness for these organizations who condoned, sheltered, lied for, covered up - and hence encouraged - this depravity.
seanomelb | Apr 08, 2012, 07:24 PM EDT
SeamusMor I find your article disappointing to blame the victims because your religious sensibilities are upset is mind boggling.Lawyers would not have been necessary if the "church" had acknowledged their wrongdoing and did not hire an army of top lawyers to defend the indefensible.The millions spent on lawyers by the hierarchy could have gone to victims of abuse.Remember SeamusMor the church is not the victim here as you would have us believe the are the guilty party.
FallsRNat | Apr 08, 2012, 03:54 PM EDT
the Vatican holds untold treasures, we should send in the bailiffs, I as a RC have never held the pope or his acolytes as the true defenders of the faith, he lives in a palace, when did jesus live in 1, he was a true man of the people, AIDS is spreading in Africa at an alarming rate, get with the programme introduce contraception, it was practised in biblical times, so whose faith are these people teaching, jesus or their own
eiriamach | Apr 08, 2012, 03:53 PM EDT
The only thing more humiliating than being raped is having to pay the rapist afterward. Why are Irish families and individuals contributing to any part of the Church's payments to victims? Who's guilty? Who covered for the predators? Who trained them, certified them, and employed them? Who kept moving known pedophiles to places where they'd have access to children? It would be so much easier for Ruari Quinn (or the courts) to collect for victim compensation now if most guilty parties had been convicted in criminal court. Has that lesson been learned?
AAudio | Apr 08, 2012, 02:43 PM EDT
The Church owns no private property, it is the people in the Church who own these schools, hospitals, charity buildings. When does the government or King ever stop trying to kill the church over and over again. Mr Quinn is a greedy so and so. First his government introduces a property tax and now they want to rip the goodness that was brought to Ireland centuries ago, when other politicians were carving up the country. I bey you people of Ireland to wake up a realize that politicians/kings and dictators are not in your best interest.
irish5047Damien | Apr 08, 2012, 02:27 PM EDT
And this was the organisation that fed the line that "They" were an authority on GOD ?,On Family Life,Contraception, etc etc need i say MORE
dermotfastnet | Apr 08, 2012, 02:20 PM EDT
And they wonder why we are losing faith
harbourview | Apr 08, 2012, 02:18 PM EDT
The church has more money than any government. Sell off it's assets--stuff in their museums. They (and I do believe the pope himself ) have known about these crimes for years and years--say centuries. It's all about money and selfish, unethical hierarchies.
MCCOLGAN1492 | Apr 08, 2012, 01:30 PM EDT
Easy on the Pope, he was goose steppin back in the 40s, no rapin, just pillagin......A Pervert he is not......Nothing like Politics or Religion to ruin a Holy Day..... Forgiveness that is the answer.....
bunkerhill | Apr 08, 2012, 12:51 PM EDT
The Catholic Church in the US compensated American victims so I don't understand why they expect the citizens of a tiny country like Ireland to pay the compensation the Church owes. Have they done that in any other country? In the NY Diocese they have closed many schools unless the parents pick up the tab which many gladly did. However the new Cardinal want 1.75 million so fix up St. Patrick's Cathedral. Where's the charity and love of fellow men? Have the vatican sell a few paintings as some else suggested. Love they neighbor is the message of Easter so love to all of you.
Collette2 | Apr 08, 2012, 12:21 PM EDT
I only made reference to this the other day, in a previous comment. The audacity to even consider expecting the taxpayer and the Government to pay for His Holiness's expenses for a spiritual exercise. They must think we're a bit soft in the old noggin.
fscarlson | Apr 08, 2012, 12:12 PM EDT
It seems to me unfair that the tax payers should bear this burden. What crime did the tax payers commit? I have no issue with lawyers being paid for their work and contribution in bringing these cases to fruition, but the Catholic church should be held accountable for trying to cover these incidents. If I were a victim here I would not be happy with this development. Lord knows the church has plenty and the church needs to make restitution. It is my belief that one of our local attorneys committed suicide he was so distraught with his findings while representing our local diocese. I have zero tolerance for the atrocities that have been committed.
CelticClothing | Apr 08, 2012, 12:06 PM EDT
Tell them to sell some real estate. Use the courts to force them to sell assets, gold, pictures, churches, old schools etc...
jamthecat | Apr 08, 2012, 12:03 PM EDT
An organization that's worth hundreds of billions of dollars worldwide is using "trusts" and other legal ways to hide its property then claiming it's broke? Seriously? I'm reminded of the old story about the boy who murdered his parents then begged for mercy from the court because he's an orphan. This is an organization that for decades, if not centuries, allowed male and female children to be raped and brutalized around the world. They're lucky every damned one of their cardinals and bishops, not to mention the pope himself, aren't being thrown in jail. As for the money needed to go to the settlement, all the church would need to do is sell 5% of its art treasures to museums, where they would be paid a nice penny and the pieces would still be available for viewing by the public.
hermitTalker | Apr 08, 2012, 11:37 AM EDT
I said disposable assets, the paintings and art work are part of the Patrimony of Humanity and are open for a minimal sum to pay for their upkeep. The Vatican has no stash of gold McC1492, that old chestnut has been around for ages, I first heard it from an English bigot Prod. one summer working in London as a University student, and many times since. I concur with SeamusMor as I saw the absolute greed and underhanded tricks of lawyers who are still trying to use the media and so-called victim advocate rights in another country. Liars and snakes, just like Satan in Eden. Do not retort about the tactics of some bishops and some of their solicitors- some of them are in that camp also.
SeamusMor | Apr 08, 2012, 11:13 AM EDT
The rush to cash in on sexual abuse is almost as disgusting as the abuse itself! I wonder how many cases would have been filed if the lawyers were required to take them on a "pro bono" basis? How does any sum of money compensate a victim of sexual abuse? If all the abuse victims submitted receipts documenting their out of pocket expenditures for health care resulting from sexual abuse at the hands of Catholic clergy, the bills could be paid by a single Sunday collection. SHAME ON THE GREEDY LAWYERS!! Shame on the victims for not forgiving their tormenters and trying to get rich off their sins. The abusers themselves should be alone in paying for their crimes, not all of us Catholics!
MCCOLGAN1492 | Apr 08, 2012, 10:50 AM EDT
A classroom devoted to humility, a virture, would be nice as well. It seems to be lacking from some who spew arrogance or false pride on this wall . BTW, what is the value of the paintings which adorne the chapel walls in Rome? That surely is an asset and would blow anything the Ivy League Schools possess out of the water..Not to mention Property, Gold and such... The market would be much larger than Recluse Billionaires as well. Get the decision, then worry about the market!
hermitTalker | Apr 08, 2012, 10:27 AM EDT
Hope they save a classroom for those who post their ignorance on here. 1. The Vatican has less wealth in disposable assets that US Ivy League universities. There is no way they could sell the patrimony of the world to some recluse billionaires who would not let millions go see them as the Vatican does. 2 The religious orders, not the "Catholic Church" as such, in the institutions run by them in a partnership with the Government are now being asked to pay. Has someone done a cost-benefit analysis of how much nuns and brothers and priests in those orders did to save the fledgling new State? 3. How much would it benefit the long-range goals of the Republic to sell the current school buildings and keep them from their primary and long-term use as the Minister ackwnowledges. As also noted, the carelessness of the past and current governments and their gambling banks and buildders has bankrupt the nation with more sacrifice to come. So who wants an old religious-order's property at this stage?. Take a billion off the IMF-ECB and the troika - that inglorious "trinity" so they can eat 3 percent of their their 30 billion debt and pay this off.
cuddlybuddly | Apr 08, 2012, 10:13 AM EDT
I think it would be in the best interest of School Children in this land, to have their Schools owned by people with integrity...when you can actually measure that, come back and ask us what we think
MCCOLGAN1492 | Apr 08, 2012, 09:57 AM EDT
Hasn't the Vatican recieved income from the Irish Catholic Church over the course of time? If that is the case, the Vatican should share in the liabilities as well....It is an International Organization which benefits from many National Sub Organizations, that should be easy for any run of the mill Schister to prove. Sue the Vatican in Court to re-coup losses....And as uncomfortable as this is on Easter Sunday, It could be a form of Organizational Penance!!!
Harliemt | Apr 08, 2012, 09:50 AM EDT
How can they charge "all taxpayers" for what the Catholic priests did. Even the Protestants? Doesn't the Vatican have all the money. Have them do the payout.
RUMHAW1 | Apr 08, 2012, 09:42 AM EDT
Hold on here, One Holy and Apolistic Catholic Church? All share in these illegal acts and all should compensate the victims. I'm an Irish Catholic who, personally, knows of two pedophiles who have gone unprosecuted.
RUMHAW1 | Apr 08, 2012, 09:34 AM EDT
Absolutely freeze all assets, inadequately, compensate the victims and incarcerate the felons.
AengusOg | Apr 08, 2012, 09:21 AM EDT
Amen, I mean right on.
patrickomalley | Apr 08, 2012, 08:13 AM EDT
Its very simple - sell every church property in the country and take all of their bank assets.