Irish Catholic Church sex scandal tied to American abuse cases, group charges

Time for Irish Catholic Reformed Church, or "The Celtic Catholic Church of Ireland" Irish catholics of conscience have to change the status quo.

Has anyone ever investigated how many Pedophile Priests from Ireland were "gifted" to Canada, Australia, South Africa and New Zealand? It's doubtful that the USA was not the sole recipient of pederast priests from Ireland. Where there's smoke there's often fire! Has anyone asked the archbishops of Ireland where the other safe havens were for the pederasts not sent to the States? Just wondered?

By the way, there is this priest in the name of Raymond Lahey who is now under investigation after he was intercepted at the Ottawa airport, Canada when customs officials confiscated his laptop and finding "disturbing" images. He's Irish too, and a former bishop of Antigonish, Nova Scotia.

I live in Canada. There are several Irish priests that have been sent here. I just hope they are not here to hide or escape from their own heinous scandals. God forbid, we do not want to find out.

An interesting article by Colum Kenny of the School of Media Studies at Dublin City University “Journalism, Sex Abuse and The Catholic Church in Ireland” may be seen in full online here >> (http://arrow.dit.ie/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1029&context=aaschmedart) <<. I quote from it: “In the 1980s, the activities of paedophiles at the Kincora Boys Home, a Protestant institution in Belfast, were revealed and their ringleader, William McGrath, convicted. McGrath was not only a worker at Kincora but also, as it transpired in subsequent Investigations, an influential political activist and agent of the British Intelligence Service MI5. It is claimed by Foot (another investigative journalist/author) that some civil servants, ministers of (NI) govt, politicians and security personnel were involved in a cover-up of what happened at Kincora. If so, then they escaped the legal consequences of their involvement”. Another internet site says “Kincora was run as a virtual gay brothel by loyalist leaders and MI5. Its clientele, who preyed for years on vulnerable young boys in its care... included loyalist paramilitary leaders, unionist politicians, judges and public figures. MI5 knew about it the entire time and used it as a blackmailer’s lever on Unionist figures (Nth Ire’s biggest political party at the time)”. Go judge for yourselves. Me? I just want the whole truth and nothing but the truth, whether of Catholic, Protestant, atheist, humanist, non-believers or your local neighbours’ abuse. Child Abuse - it’s all got to be stopped. Right now.

Though wiz mentions facts regarding those convicted of child abuse in Kincora, wiz’s comments are notable for a fact s/he does not mention... that three members of a UK Govt Commission of Enquiry into abuses at Kincora resigned in protest because none of the Commission was allowed access to certain files that they knew existed about Kincora. And so the enquiry collapsed or ‘was collapsed’. Why? We’d love to know... It is widely held in the public domain that there was a massive cover-up when members of the enquiry team were not allowed to examine the files. The Kincora boys of the time, today adults in their 50’s & 60’s, still live in fear, many because, as has been alleged in the public domain, some of those who did want to speak out in the ‘70s and ‘80s- all young Protestant men - were murdered by Loyalist gangs in the 70’s to stop them speaking out. >>> It needs to be fully exposed, just as all abusive people, including RCC clerics, must be exposed. For more info, I suggest ppl google or bing ‘Kincora Child Abuse’ for lots of links to the story. I’ve many times called for all child abuse to be investigated and under IC’s columnist Eddie Holt’s earlier articles of last summer, encouraged Eddie to take on investigating Kincora. All child abuse must stop; it exists within and without all religions. It is so horrifyingly heinous, imprisoning abused human people in their minds for their whole lifetime, never mind the physical injuries and scars present for life in many cases. The sentences handed down to McGrath, Semple and Mains were derisory considering the damage they caused to the boys in their care, just as they were in Catholic cleric abuse cases.

wizardofoz’s overall remarks on my referring to Antinomianism and the Kincora abuse case disappoint greatly. I could choose to report them as abuse on IC but I’d rather let them stand on their own for everyone to ponder on the nature of wiz’s language and judge for themselves. What wiz or anybody thinks of me is none of my business. >>> I am a fervent believer that all child abuse must be investigated, punished and stopped, wherever it occurs... in Ireland, USA or in the war fields of Africa, or the schools of Islam in hills and valleys of Afghanistan and Pakistan etc. My point in relation to the pre-Reformation belief of Antinomianism (it was horrifically practiced as part of the Inquisitions) was to ask if it was possible that it still secretly exists today, just as there are societies today with secret ritual beliefs. It is known that some of the pious Christian Reforming Churches continued to believe in Antinomianism and handed it down (not necessarily by that name) through abuse of their own family members, some of whom themselves became abusers and so it went on and on into present times. It is not beyond possibility that RCC clerics also rejected the Council of Trent’s condemnation of the belief and continued along the same lines. I asked if that could be investigated by those in appropriate fields of human and religious studies etc. I wait to see... and hope to see justice delivered. At the very least, the Truth must come.

I just wish all religions would would finally admit they are a big pyramid scheme to dupe poor uneducated people out of their hard earned money. Irish people have finally wised up. The Pope has finally had to prey on the Africans and S. Americans!!

(... Cont’d) As the doctrine of Antinomianism is an extreme type of the heretical doctrine of justification by faith alone as taught by the Reformers, it is condemned by the Catholic Church. The Council of Trent discussed this subject and condemns it: "In opposition also to the cunning wits of certain men who, by good works and fair speeches, deceive the hearts of the innocent, it is to be maintained that the received grace of justification is lost not only by the infidelity, in which even faith itself if lost, but also by any other mortal sin soever, though faith be not lost; thereby defending the doctrine of the Divine law, which excludes from the King of God not only the unbelieving, but also the faithful who are fornicators, adulterers, effeminate, abusers of themselves with mankind, thieves, covetous, drunkards, revilers, extortioners, and all others who commit deadly sins; from which, with the help of Divine grace, they are able to refrain and on account of which they are separate from the grace of Christ". >>> Is there a way this can be examined and investigated by people with the right background and qualifications? Is Antinomianism still out there in our Church? If so, we must get rid of it.

From the Catholic Encyclopaedia: “Antinomianism (or legal irresponsibility) is an old pre-Reformation heresy that holds Christians are exempt from the obligations of moral law. It falsely asserted that, as good works do not promote salvation, so neither do evil works hinder it; and, as all Christians are necessarily sanctified by their very vocation and profession, so as justified Christians, they are incapable of losing their spiritual holiness, justification, and final salvation by any act of disobedience to, or even by any direct violation of the law of God.” In other words, it allows a Christian, including a cleric, to do what he/she likes and still believe they are above the law of the land and indeed the Law of God. This heretical belief is known to still exist in today’s world, primarily through some Protestant sects and offshoots (could it explain why the horrors of the Protestant Kincora Boys Home in Belfast were successfully covered up?). Could it be that it continued to be perpetrated by certain people within the Catholic Church despite it being condemned by the Church? (cont’d...)

From the RCC’s Code of Canon Law - “Clerics are to behave with due prudence towards persons whose company can endanger their obligation to observe continence (i.e. refraining from any form of sexual intercourse) or give rise to scandal among the faithful.” What I would like to know is how deviant priests are treated under Canon Law, if they behave other than by this article of the Law? I should think it would be at minimum with immediate defrocking or at maximum with excommunication, not by being given transfers to other parishes secretly.

ricoforkids "The most violent pedophile will traumatize their victim well into late life." Exactly, that is how these evil men and women of "god" keep control ver the victim. The pain of the victim is energy for the abuser. They are energy vampires and sadistic predators, and without fresh blood to feed off, they die. I know priests who abused, their names are not on that list either. Just when the Gardai were moving in to arrrest- they were helped abroad to Scotland. Those who aided and abbetted are equally guilty in a proper court of Justice.

Not all child molesting priests are listed on BishopAccountability. Four of those who sodomized me (ages 8 to 10) are not on the list, one a bishop in NY today. I wonder how many more there really are. To those who claim most are not rightfully accused, think again. The reason is that it is people like you who protect them. You can say as you will, but if laws protect them with statutes of limitations and steal the civil rights of the victims, then you can play the innocent game all you want. You now help protect them and deny human beings. And in case you are uninformed, let me help you; The most violent pedophile will traumatize their victim well into late life. Now imagine the victim dealing with a lost life? This is the worst trauma of all. Then again, those who need to protect a religion over the lives of children should be dismissed. They are those who are the worst offenders of humanity.

I do not feel sorry for anyone who spends their Sundays talking to the ceiling and listening to a cross dressing pedophile. When that is the level of your cognitive abilities, then you deserve what you get. My mother forced me to go to church, but when I saw that creepy man in a dress, I said no way, I am not going. Faith is thought by the common man to be true, the wise man to be false, and the politician to be useful.

I thought the group (bishopsaccountabilty.org)tracked "accused" priests, not pedophile priests. Isn't this distinction important? Some of the priests on the list kept by "the group" are probably mistakenly or even falsely accused. Many of these priests may be innocent of the allegations made against them. An accusation or allegation does not equal guilt. I'm not convinced that the group is offering a helpful contribution to the problem of priests who have abused.