Irish Bishops accused of hating women by top female politician during abortion hearings

Eiriamach, Thanks a mill for explaining that you misunderstood my meaning, and for agreeing that there is indeed a difference between "distrust" and "fear". Much appreciated. Éamonn, Dublin.

Come on Seán lad! You started it when you criticised the quality of my post, and mentioned my education being possibly lacking. In response, I made a fair point. As for an apology from me to Eiriamach, I don't think so! In her latest post, she notes that I am quite correct in stating categorically that "distrust" does NOT have the same meaning as "fear". QED. Éamonn, Dublin.

Yes, you’re right Seano – the Germans didn’t have the A-bomb first but their scientists were very close to having it. The American scientists did get it first and sadly had to use it to put down Japanese attempts at autocratic domination of the very area of the Pacific that you live in freely. What would life under the then Japanese leaders have been for you today in Melb if Germany had got the A-bomb first and given it to the Japs? After Hiroshima, German military leaders knew their country could be next to being one-bombed, so surrender was the only option left to them. (Back then, nobody, even the A-bomb-makers, could have known just how devastating the A-bomb was going to be). BTW – I am far from being right-winged. Pay more attention to what I am posting and you should see why. Only people who think and believe that there’s such a thing as a left wing think there’s a right wing.

Should read "The U.S.assault on vietnam"

Jacers skewed right wing take on history beggars belief. The Germans did not have an atom bomb and if they had they could'nt use it in europe as the fallout would probably kill more germans than not. History has proven that the U.S. assault was meaningless and an abject failure they ran with their tais between their collective legs begging the french to mediate to save some honour. Johnson.nixon should be charghed for crimes agains hunanity and tried again for the meaningless slaughter of 50,000 young Americans.

Seano - one cannot label eiriamach a "lady" when she advocates freedom of choice to kill a defenceless unborn human being.

(Now that I’ve found a way around multiple posts, I’m back to complete my answer to Ken from Dublin). Ken from Dublin’s other comments on Americans using atom Bombs and being in Vietnam are atrocious in their fallacy. Lookit, Ken – go back to school and learn that the Germans were almost to the winning post on the atom bomb and if they had got first, they would have used it in Europe and in America and would certainly have ‘lent’ it to the Japanese in the Pacific theatre of war. America lent its support to the largely Buddhist and Catholic/Christian Sth Vietnam when it was threatened to be over-run by Communist hordes. Ok, so the Yanks (Dublin-speak) pulled out and Vietnam is now predominently atheist. But America didn’t go into all these wars - WWI, WWII, in Korea, Vietnam, the Gulf Wars, Iraq, Afghanistan for its own sake – they did do it for the preservation of freedom from tyrannical, autocratic rulers around in our world of many peoples and every year, in remembrance services, we thank America, its families and its military servicemen who gave up their lives for that preservation of freedom which we enjoy today for their help and efforts. The Nth Vietnamese still have to get the message that what they are doing is wrong for their peoples, just as recent Chinese Govts have realised that Communism doesn’t work for their billion-plus peoples. So get your facts right before you label Americans and Christians as world-wide slaughterers. Who is showing their iggerance now, eh, Ken from me own Dublin city?

You are quite right Eamonn I did misuse the word in question. But thatwas not the issue under discussion. "Taim ar muin no muiche" a chara Maybe an apology to eiriamach would be appreciated,but then you would rather play the schoolmaster and correct grammar than apologise to the lady.

You are quite right Eamonn I did misuse the word in question. But thatwas not the issue under discussion. "Taim ar muin no muiche" a chara Maybe an apology to eiriamach would be appreciated,but then you would rather play the schoolmaster and correct grammar than apologise to the lady.

Quite right, I "infer" that when someone uses words like "terrorist" and "distrust," fear is likely involved. Is it a bad inference? It's a legitimate understanding of meaning--though not necessarily of intended meaning. Language has its own autonomy of meaning, as illustrated by such phenomena as Freudian slips and unintended oxymorons and the threads of logic in the rants of the insane. I don't doubt that you believe what you say, Eamonn. But surely you're aware that other people can read and that not everything you call "twisting" of your words is in fact a misreading or a "reading into" words something that is not in them -- in them *as words*, as communally understood signifiers of meaning. That was the point in my original comment--did you construct an oxymoron as humor, or did you not recognize the oxymoron (should I read your words for their shared meaning within a linguistic community, or should I instead find your intended meaning in them)? So piling on more words to defend your original intention is generally a waste of time--with that much of what you wrote, I agree. All you needed to do was to clarify your intended meaning (and recognize that your words did not clearly communicate it).

Seán, I will keep this short. My new name for "Eiriamach" was a play on words - a joke. A joke. You remember those from your Dublin days? Yes, a somewhat distasteful joke, but that's what a lot of Dublin wit is. Now, to be serious. You berate the level of my post, and at the same time you do a whopper of a mistake. I imagine that where you wrote that I was "referring" you actually meant "inferring". The typo is understandable, but not your misuse of the word "inferring" when you meant "implying". I actually remember looking at and listening to the great Barber as he explained the difference, and as he explained it he told us that many, many people mix up the two words, or even think they mean exactly the same. Many years later I am constantly reminded of his words by people's abuse of the word "infer". Including your good self! Come on, Sean, you can do better than that! Éamonn, Dublin.

"Eiriamch" - "Let it go, Eamonn", you suggest! Why on earth? Yes, any half-wit who has read our "discussion" can see that you are twisting what I wrote. That's why I consider that you, as a "whole-wit" are simply writing rubbish about my comment because that is what you do to everybody. I will just draw your attention to two points, which should clear this up. Firstly, "fear" and "distrust" are NOT the same. I might fear a man who approaches me with a gun and says he is going to shoot me - but I do not "distrust" him. I trust that he means what he says and I take evasive action. On the other hand, a man who tells me that he will NOT shoot me, but I then find him sneaking up behind me with a loaded gun - I distrust him. I might or I might not ALSO fear him, but they are two separate issues. I do not fear Islamists, because at the end of the day, if and when it comes to it, superior firepower can be brought to bear in order to eradicate the disease of Islamism. And no, that is NOT all of Islam, it is exactly what it says, ISLAMISM. Look it up. I should add that in your definition of "phobia" - which you apparently lifted from Wiki or whatever - you added the word "distrust" as an equivalent of fear. You ADDED it, to suit your argument. It does NOT mean the same as fear. In other words, as I say, you twisted what I wrote in order to suit your argument. I have wasted far too much time on this already. Good Day to you and Best Wishes. Éamonn, Dublin.

One of the main reasons our family left the church is its treatment of women. You can meaure the progressivity of a church by whether or not it allows women to be religious leaders. My wife btw - she told me that if I went to church any more until there is some progress on this issue - I can sleep in the guest bedrooom.

Let it go, Eamonn! Probably half the IC visitors who read your original statement noticed nothing while the other half saw an oxymoron, and only Seano and I bothered to comment. But if you draw attention to it, more people may see it. Look, you want to comment on logic? Consider the logic in Patrick Counihan's putting two sentences together: Bishop Jones said, “Any suggestion that Ireland is an unsafe place for pregnant mothers due to the ban on abortion is a complete distortion of the truth” and "He then repeated the bishops’ opposition to legislating for the 1992 Supreme Court X case which allowed for abortion in the case of a suicidal pregnant teenage rape victim." It seems to me in those two sentences taken together there's a challenging problem of logic, but perhaps you think I'm just "twisting" the bishops' words to find a self-contradiction?

It worked this time! I will do a response again tonight, as it won't "paste" now and I can't hang about. You chancers must spend all day on here, firstly reading, then twisting waht you have read to suit, then "responding". Quare world altogether! Until later today - get your "twisting" machines ready. (1 1 = whatever you guys want it to be!!) Éamonn.