Irish Bishops accused of hating women by top female politician during abortion hearings

Andrew007 (asecret new James Bond pal, eh???) – First things first: there seems to be a bug in ICentral’s ‘Submit’ button. I’ve found if you click ‘Submit’ only once, wait a few seconds, then click ‘See all comments’, your first-time post should appear as normal. Otherwise click ‘Return to article’, click ‘See all comments’ and you should then see your post. Now for the German nuclear stuff…

Eiriamach, I was considering "letting it go" as you suggested. However, having seen that you are intent - as per your post immediately below this one - of repeatedly and continually stating that I have made an error of reasoning, I have decided to respond to you once again, as follows. You are still off the mark. Here is a list, from www.thesaurus.com, of synonyms for "distrust". "Disbelief, doubt, misdoubt, misgiving, mistrust, qualm, question, skepticism, suspicion, wariness." Nope, nary a sign of "fear". Away you go, back to "start" and try again. Perhaps you might try to argue that "obstinate" is a synonym of "pushover". You might have more luck. Have a lovely Sunday evening. Or, perhaps you think it's Wednesday? Oops, I nearly forgot, a "phobia" is not just a fear - it is, as you no doubt know (but did not say, as it did not suit your argument) an unreasonable fear of something. Now, perhaps if one were working in Algeria, one should "fear" the Islamists - but it wouldn't be a phobia, as there are good and solid reasons for fearing Islamists in Algeria. But not in Ireland, as yet. Éamonn, Dublin.

A conversation "can go anywhere and everywhere," as Eamonn says, but here it has come full circle back to the ad hominem fallacy that I pointed out on Jan 11, 09:53 AM EST. falconflash and mairint have no use for conversation. They're here only to express their hatred for women who make their own decisions and do their own thinking, women like Ms Bacik. Earlier I hinted to Eamonn (but he did not pick up on it) that Ms Bacik's first argument was also, like his, an ad hominem fallacy. She argues that the bishops simply hate women and so they cannot be right about opposing the legislation -- bad reasoning! What do the IC women haters do? They imitate Bacik's mistake and attack her character-- not her argument-- to try to show her argument is wrong, LOL! Will they ever grasp simple, common sense logic, or are they the hopeless cases that Andrew007 alludes to, so full of ideology that their minds are closed to common sense? Bacik's character, good or bad, is irrelevant to whether her reasoning is valid. Bacik's other argument, however, is a good one and probably right: the bishops assume that women are inherently deceitful and thus cannot be trusted with life-and-death decisions, and for this reason, they argue, the government must not allow abortion under any circumstance. She's right: this sexist assumption is the basis of the bishops' opposition to giving women any choice with regard to even life-saving abortion: they assume that women are demons who lie. This is also my reply to Andrew: If I abandon common sense, what's left? Demonizing, insults and invective, like fflash's / mairint's! Ugh!

One of the joys of an Irish conversation is that, once started, it can go anywhere and everywhere. Éamonn, Dublin.

Mairint: keep it short and positive: the Irish people do not kill babies.

So this Labour senator thinks the bishops hate women - their own mothers, sisters too I suppose. What a load of gibberish the pro-abort the babies crowd can rattle off. Every woman knows that when pregnant she carries a unique human life. That life is entrusted to her for those nine months of gestation and that is an amazing time in a mother's life. The utter selfish brain washing that has been dribbled in through the feminasty anti-humanity and anti civilization channels now weakens in universities while Planned Parenthood grows frantic with their indoctrination programs. The 'hate the baby -inconvenience' attitude is being eroded by a new growth of intelligent young people. What a joy to see all the videos of the Irish people rallying FOR LIFE in Dublin. They came from all over the country. Beautiful, mostly young, men and women with joyful faces. The hundreds of thousands that will gather in Washington on 25th will look just as joyful as they arrive from every corner of the U.S., and further afield, to tell the President to give up his pro abortion mentality and love American babies, all of them. He should listen to Dr. Alveda King, niece of Dr.Martin Luther King who continues on his campaign for Rights. This time the Right to Life for all humans both Black and White and in between. So Senator Bacik, 'tis you who hates women, at least the ones who want to allow their babies to be born.

Sean, a chara, Where ever did I say that either your good self or Eiriamach "condone terrorism". I simply said that those nice Islamists are at it again. Is it something on your conscience that makes you assume I am implying that you support the Islamists? An bfhuil chead agam dul amach anois? Éamonn, Dublin.

Jacer what may have been or could have been is irrelevant. It is the "now" and ath future we have to contend with.I notice you did not contradict my argument on th'Vietnam" debacle. Andrew is correct what has it all to do with the above article! still the banter and contra opionions are worth reading.Eamonn my school buddy when did I or Eiriamach condone terrorism??

@jacersagain: Also, I just read your comment "After Hiroshima, German military leaders knew their country could be next to being one-bombed, so surrender was the only option left to them." This is completely wrong. German surrender at Rheims: 7 May 1945. First atomic bombing (of Hiroshima): 6 August 1945, second atomic bombing (Nagasaki): 9 August 1945. While there were some rumours going around at the time about a special allied "super weapon", to my understanding there was no firm knowledge of it except for a tiny few until August 1945.

@jacersagain: you're wrong about WW2 German atomic energy research. Most German physicists were actually Jewish (or anti-Nazi) and were forced by the Nazis to flee during the early 1930's; this included Albert Einstein, Robert Oppenheimer, Max Born, John von Neumann, et al, many of whom were then recruited by the allies to work on the Manhattan Project. If this wasn’t bad enough for the Nazis, despite being warned by renowned physicist Max Planck (father of Quantum Theory), they then compounded their stupidity (thankfully for the rest of the world!) by drastically undermining physics research by politicising the education system and sending gifted researchers to the front (as soldiers!). By the time the idiots realised that they had produced a nation of superb soldiers and engineers but no researchers it was already 1942 and far too late to change it. This fact is indicated by the transfer of control over the German Uranverein project from military command to a research body in 1942, and the continued failure to produce radioactive fissile material was shown by repeated failed explosive experiments to produce measurable radioactivity. Source (amongst many): Rainer Karlsch and Mark Walker New light on Hitler's bomb physicsworld.com, 2005-6-1. Even just a "Google" search will show you some reliable history websites you can check (such as Wikipedia article references).

@eiriamach: I think you're going to have to realise that most pundits commenting here just don't have your grasp of English diction, historical knowledge or research and quoting standards, or come to think of it, simple logic! :) ***** arrrghh!!! Now there's too bloody many repeats! I can't win here! :P

Dammit! I forgot how stupid & frustrating IC's comment formatting is! OK, here goes a 2nd time! Greetings and Happy New Year everyone! It's been a while hasn't it? I just hopped onto IC and found, once again, a confusing cacophony of voices arguing about insults, grammar, WW2 history and almost anything you can think of that's irrelevant to the article! :P

Greetings and Happy New Year everyone! It's been a while hasn't it? I just hopped onto IC and found, once again, a confusing cacophony of voices arguing about insults, grammar, WW2 history and almost anything you can think of that's irrelevant to the article! :P @eiriamach: I think you're going to have to realise that most pundits commenting here just don't have your grasp of English diction, historical knowledge or research and quoting standards, or come to think of it, simple logic! :) @jacersagain: you're wrong about WW2 German atomic energy research. Most German physicists were actually Jewish (or anti-Nazi) and were forced by the Nazis to flee during the early 1930's; this included Albert Einstein, Robert Oppenheimer, Max Born, John von Neumann, et al, many of whom were then recruited by the allies to work on the Manhattan Project. If this wasn’t bad enough for the Nazis, despite being warned by renowned physicist Max Planck (father of Quantum Theory), they then compounded their stupidity (thankfully for the rest of the world!) by drastically undermining physics research by politicising the education system and sending gifted researchers to the front (as soldiers!). By the time the idiots realised that they had produced a nation of superb soldiers and engineers but no researchers it was already 1942 and far too late to change it. This fact is indicated by the transfer of control over the German Uranverein project from military command to a research body in 1942, and the continued failure to produce radioactive fissile material was shown by repeated failed explosive experiments to produce measurable radioactivity. Source (amongst many): Rainer Karlsch and Mark Walker New light on Hitler's bomb physicsworld.com, 2005-6-1.

I "trusted" that Eamonn knew the meaning of "infer" and "inference." That was a Mistaken Assumption, not, unfortunately, an Inference! "Distrust" and "fear" are indeed synonyms. Synonyms are words that share some part, or all, of their meaning ("meaning" means their uses in their language). Synonyms allow us to choose among their different shades of meaning, their usual contexts of use, and their connotations. The study of words (using a good dictionary that lists synonyms and gives usage notes and etymologies) is perhaps the only antidote to the delusion that there is such a thing as "my meaning"!

Eiriamach and Sean, I see those nice Islamists have been showing their love of multiculturalism and their religious tolerance, in their own inimitable way, once again. Éamonn, Dublin.