Irish Archbishops slam Cardinal Timothy Dolan’s report on Rome Irish college

Another of Phan's "simplistic" phantasies, like the one he left on Cahir's blog "The Rich Get Rich..."

what is a homosexual aristocracy, you phan should go bsck to vietnam where your people and the viet cong almost killed my brother. you sir are a litlle bigot

Dolan gave a report on what he saw. This report would be used in context. As "eiriamach" states, the report leaked the fact of a significant homosexual subculture. This is no surprise. David Rose in the U.S. wrote that entire seminaries and religious orders have been overthrown by a gay subculture. Many religious orders, both male and female, have been taken over by a homosexual aristocracy. They are well within line of a significant number of homosexual bishops in key positions. Dolan is trying to overcome the "lavender mafia" which is now aided and abetted by homosexual abortion rights advocates within the LCWR leadership. The Obama Administration is riddled and rife with radical lesbian Catholic women in key positions and who are secretly working with this homosexual subculture within the Catholic Church in order to overthrow its influence on the road to world socialism. Malachi Brendan Martin wrote of its embryonic stages. It is now flowering under the influence of the "devil and the deep blue sea".

the seminaries are redundant as are Dolan and the Irish bishops. Their day is gone.

Rugbyplayer,Cardinal Dolan declared war on Obamacare because Obama declared war on the freedom of religious institutions not to be subject to government fiats that threaten their fundamental beliefs and their right to practice the tenents of their faith.Perhaps you should start wearing a helmet in that very rough sport of yours.

An excellent question raised by Dr. McHugh: "Are seminaries really needed anymore?" The one reasonable answer I've heard, from a female Episcopal pastor, is that people training for the priesthood who value piety and the spiritual life are more likely to find others like them in church-run seminaries than in the academic theology programs. Still, like Dr. McHugh, I think they all need at least some exposure to objective church history, theological debate, and the diversity of personalities and faith traditions that the academic settings offer.

Dolan has always been a favorite of the Vatican. He is pompous, arrogant and fawning. Just the kind of guy Benedict XVI warms up to. He and his too-scared-to-object episcopal henchmen in the US Conference of Bishops have openly and mendaciously declared war on Obamacare, the President and anyone who dares disagree with these far right satraps. Little wonder that Dolan made his stripes with the Vatican by slandering the Irish College in Rome.

Wake up, Cardinal Dolan. At this point in the sex abuse scandals, most of the world has "an anti-ecclesial bias." Of course seminarians noticed it in their "theological formation.” But put the seminarians' complaints into focus: None but the most ultra-conservative young men choose careers in the Church in such times as these, when freedom of speech to question Vatican policy is suspended and those who question anyway are silenced or driven out, pedophiles protected, reform movements ignored, and nuns and female theologians slapped down. It takes a mindless worship of absolute male human authority figures to enroll in a Catholic seminary these days! Good for the Irish College faculty if they did not provide such figures for seminarians! If you consider these signs of the times alongside Card. Dolan's obviously obsessive, prurient interests in gay and female sexualities, then you'll file Dolan's worries about a homosexual subculture at the college-- while finding "no evidence" of any homosexual activity at the college-- under "Visitors' Pathology Report."

Could a wee bit of wheeling and dealing be going on here. Rome telling the Irish harmonious quartet of archbishops to pressure the Irish government to reopen the Vatican Embassy or we shut down the Irish college? On the other hand perhaps on their own initiative the Irish archbishops should fly in to New York for a weekend or two and issue a report on the New York Archdiocese.

I wonder if it would be better for the health and growth of the church, if there were either coed seminaries, where both women and men could train and learn to work together, or no seminaries at all? If we believe that all of the faithful are called to service in the church for the greater glory of God, as was determined at the Second Vatican Council in the 1960s, then where is the need for seminaries anymore, now that we have universities that give degrees in theology and in pastoral ministry? I believe that the best way to end clericalism in the priesthood is to have women and men train together, both married and single. The focus of Jesus was servanthood, not clericalism, not legalism, not triumphalism. Are seminaries really needed anymore??? Sincerely, Dr Rosemary Eileen McHugh, Chicago, Illinois

I recall being slammed by US observers when I described the reports from the four archbishops that supposedly leaked as coming from fly-in weekend visits. One reportedly said the Church here had ten years, others were totally pessimistic about the whole Church in Ireland. I see the four archbishops on the same page about the Irish College report. Just because they had Irish names Dolan for the seminaries, O'Malley and the others, they cannot possibly gauge the health of the Church in Ireland any more than they can be visiting one of their own parishes on a one-day visit. Humans are not robots,subject to a mechanic's computer analysis. We are complex creatures, not subject to a pop-psychological-spiritual analysis.