Ireland’s Papal Nuncio insists there will never be women priests in the Catholic Church
Despite what the laity in Ireland believe, Charles Brown says female priests will not be allowed by the Vatican
Published Tuesday, November 13, 2012, 7:12 AM
Updated Tuesday, November 13, 2012, 8:47 AM
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Gearoid4 | Nov 14, 2012, 01:47 PM EST
Where is the proof, pilibox04, that the "bishop" in Germany who ordained these so-called woman "priests" was a consecrated bishop of the Catholic Church? He may be a "bishop" from a "church" which has the word "catholic" in it's title, but is clearly not the true, apostolic Church, as founded by Christ.
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rugbyplayer | Nov 14, 2012, 12:48 PM EST
Brown, a nice enough guy, is just another Vatican hackj who would never dare to even speculate anything that the Vatican considers de fide dogma.
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pilib04 | Nov 14, 2012, 11:32 AM EST
The WomenPriests were originally ordained by a duly ordained Catholic Bishop in Germany. They have a direct line of succession to Peter as much as any Manpriest.
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PiperMac52 | Nov 13, 2012, 09:49 PM EST
If there were Female priests it would no longer be the Catholic church. This is set doctrine dating 2000 years and is immutable. Christ chose 12 make Apostles. The church is Apostolic and modeled on Christ's teachings both through scared tradition and Sacred Scripture as established by the teaching Magesterium.It is not open to political correctness, or cultural relativism. Sin can never be called good(as liberals would have it). The church holds to absolute truths which may not be popular in a given culture.
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eiriamach | Nov 13, 2012, 08:54 PM EST
I was reminded by visiting these two WomenPriest web sites that the papyrus fragment recently in the news, in which Jesus refers to his "wife," also quotes Jesus as saying "she will be able to be my disciple." The Vatican rejected it as a "forgery" (though scholars agree that it is not forged) because it challenges two persistent Vatican positions: that priests must be celibate because Jesus was, and that women must not be priests because his disciples were all male. What does it take to open minds at the Vatican or at least persuade them not to issue peremptory, unsubstantiated claims of "forgery"? It's always a mistake to refuse to re-examine past decisions, to refuse to reverse them if they've done harm, and, most importantly, to refuse to benefit from the grace that pours from the Spirit of Wisdom when we repent our mistakes. The authoritarian mind always takes the same path: it insists it is right and demands obedience until it's too late to avoid tragedy.
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KatieKazoo | Nov 13, 2012, 08:31 PM EST
It got me thinking when I looked at this particular statement in the article: "it was about being “obedient and faithful to the continual tradition of the Catholic faith."
So what about Vatican 11 and the changes brought in with that? What I can't fathom is this: how is acceptable change defined. How can this change be alright, but another be a big no-no?
Here in Ireland we brought in Alter Girls, shock horror!! Nuns don't have their hair covered any more, they wear makeup, jewelry and normal clothes, high heel boots etc. The words of the Gloria, the Nicene Creed have been changed, utterly changed. During Mass we say things now like: I am not worthy you should enter under my roof, instead of I am not worthy to receive you. In fact, I recently went to an Anglican ceremony and grumpily admit I was surer of the words of their unchanged Creed and many other prayers, than I am still stumbling to get my 'new words' right in my own church.
I would much rather have left the wording of the Mass, especially the Nicene creed, the way they were and instead bring in the change of having women priests. Are females not well capable of administering faith, living a holy life? they can't do any worse than the boyohs abusing children while looking down their noses at working class people. How they could have this mantle of piety and arrogant claim to religion is actually astounding. They were world class actors, demons disguised as saints. Surely it is more important that a person is filled with the Holy Spirit than which gender they are? There was and still is a lot in the Catholic church that was not "about being “obedient and faithful to the continual tradition of the Catholic faith."
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eiriamach | Nov 13, 2012, 08:19 PM EST
Also, to learn about the thinking and activities of Roman Catholic Women Priests within Catholicism, be sure to check out bridgetmarys.blogspot.com .
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eiriamach | Nov 13, 2012, 07:47 PM EST
Go to romancatholicwomenpriests. org, Gearoid. Also enlightening is the NY Times Sept. 29 article "Women as Priests," which notes that a 2010 CBS/NY Times poll showed "59 percent of American Catholics favor the ordination of women." "The movement started when seven women were ordained by three Roman Catholic bishops aboard a ship on the Danube River in 2002. The women claimed their ordinations were valid because they conformed to the doctrine of 'apostolic succession.' The group that grew out of that occasion calls itself Roman Catholic Womenpriests. There are now more than 100 ordained women priests and 11 bishops."
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Gearoid4 | Nov 13, 2012, 06:36 PM EST
Where are these validly ordained women "priests" who have been given holy orders by the successors of the apostles, Eiriamach?
Again, typically, you would bring up the clerical sex-abuse scandal which is not germane to this debate.
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oldboreen | Nov 13, 2012, 06:03 PM EST
There are on 'ordained women Catholic priests' Irish or otherwise period!
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oldboreen | Nov 13, 2012, 05:58 PM EST
Correct me if I'm mistaken someone
but it was never church 'teaching'.
tradition yes, but never doctrine
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oldboreen | Nov 13, 2012, 05:38 PM EST
Times they are a changin'. The RCC better look to the future or their sheep will be primarily in S. America, Africa and Asia cuz Europe and N. America are eyeing intently a 21st Century Catholic Reformation!: Marriage for all clergy that want it; Communion of all Christians; Women priests; transparent authority from Rome on down!!!!!!!!
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Murph46 | Nov 13, 2012, 05:03 PM EST
How does that song go - "Charlie Brown,he's a clown...."
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seanomelb | Nov 13, 2012, 04:49 PM EST
Brown would not be
papal nuncio unless he slavishly
follows the party line.Maybe the
next pope will see it differently
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