Ireland remembers tragic Indian mum Savita Halappanavar with series of vigils

(..more) Abortion IS allowed under Irish law in carefully considered medical, psychiatric and psychological circumstances, not just on the grounds of religious of whatever-hue beliefs, (Irish law is separate from religion in these matters: Protestants, Catholics, Christian Orthodox and Jewish people alike in Ireland do not condone unwarranted abortion, the deliberate killing of a future human being. That’s murder, in their views). We could talk about “murder” and real murder in another Irish context in another forum but not in this really humanising, sensitive, un-unique case of Savita’s, and, more especially, of the many unreported few other deaths of Irish women and their babies in Irish hospitals in similar circumstances. In such medical, psychiatric and psychological circumstances and cases, deliberate extraction of a baby in the womb and its termination of life are never classed as murder by Protestants, Catholics or Orthodox Christians. It is never murder as falsely proclaimed by India’s NDTV in Savita’s case. (more…)

(…more)The headlines, appearing in India claiming that Savita was ‘murdered' by Catholic doctors in Galway, Ireland, have not a whit of evidence or truth. Not a whit. It is a total shame that, in this case, an Indian woman’s medical condition should be used for their own falsely highlighting agenda by NDTV and by Irish and American pro-abortionists to slam the fantastic record of Ireland’s medics in maternity care, a care aided by Indian, Pakistani, African and lots of others of our world’s countries’ specialists. Remarkably noticeably unreported, Savita’s incidental case is not the first to have happened in Ireland or in any other country in our world and it won’t be the last. Not many know this but abortion IS allowed in Ireland under certain circumstances, but not of the elective kind e.g. where a pregnant woman decides that she doesn’t want the baby just because “Oh flip! It’ll be a nuisance! Get rid of “IT”… or of the like thinking of the already-growing human being inside her, a future human being, just like she was once in her mother’s womb. (more…)

(…more) Though her husband Praveen (what an Irish-sounding name!) claims they asked for the baby to be aborted, the medical team in Galway were already working to save Savita from the septicaemia attack, to save her and to save her baby whose heart was still beating and could not, medically, introduce drugs that would interfere with their legally-obliged attempts to save both. There is NO PROOF anywhere that the medical staff’s attempt to save both was limited by “Catholic country” ethos apart from her own husband’s sole claim of that (he is already talking of chasing compensation money. Think think blinking eyes' $$). (So, more…)

(…more) It turns out that Savita’s husband made this “claim” in a phone interview on Irish Radio from his home country, India, to which he had returned 14 days after she died - and Irish media and pro-abortion activists latched onto his own, one, sole claim. While puzzled at first, I’ve since read that claim of his is not true. I saw the same false claim on India’s New Delhi TV (NDTV) via Sky TV e.g. ‘This is a Catholic country’ showed up in its news banners. The claim being popularised in the media is that Savita died because her child was not aborted. This story has been completely misrepresented everywhere around the world against simple facts as known so far. Savita died from septicaemia (a blood poisoning disease), NOT from failure or refusal by medics to abort the baby. This disease was apparently already in her body, according to her husband, he mentioning her having kidney dialysis in his Radio interview. Her failing kidneys may have contributed to the looming miscarriage of their baby. The disease caused her kidneys to stop working; endotoxic shock (harmful bacteria invasion) follows in to her body, leading to collapse of other vital organs and other medical complications. Not nice (more…)

I am one of the millions in Ireland deeply shocked and saddened by the news of Savita’s death as published in the Irish media. The case puzzled me at first because what I read in the papers “claimed” that Savita’s (RIP) death happened because she was not given proper attention by medical staff on “This is a Catholic Country” grounds. (Whether or not that it was Catholics who were involved in the caring for and treating of Savita, the ethos of medical care and attention of patients in Ireland is the primary aim of all medical staff in all of our Irish hospitals, where many Indian, Pakistani, African and other nation’s doctors and nurses learn from working alongside our own Irish specialist doctors and nurses as specialists in maternity and gynaecological and other medical fields; in fact, hospitals in Ireland are on record as being the safest places on earth to have a baby, given its excellent record in safe maternity care, attention and delivery). Well, let’s look at this case anew… and at the ‘claims’ being made around it, ‘cos I was very puzzled by the reporting of this sad incident and I bothered me barmy looked into it more… (More…)

I don’t know how to goodly to support two different womanly views that are equally correct, as posted by katiemac and eirimach. God help uz… the good mac wimmen are fighting amongst each other!!... Anyways…. I’m gonna take this topic of Sivita’s death much more seriously and I hope you’ll bear with me thoughts and I ask (esp of eiriamach) that you don’t argue back but think about them. This Sivita topic is serious enough for us all to find agreement on. Bear with me please while I beg your attentions, if you’ll bother your barmies to do so… Me great splurge is coming: hope fully ICentral will allow it all…

Silling - you are way off track. Time for you to catch up on the Ireland that you left. Come home and gather up with all that you love and left to be good at elsewhere. Be at The Gathering when the time suits you and yours back home. You won't be sorry...

@woundedknee - so you're not Irish yourself then!!

katiemac, why are you demonizing women and men who are trying to save the lives of pregnant women with medical problems?

Another case in which the pro-abortion troops take a few facts and run with them. The lack of abortion did not kill this woman. Sepsis did. If the stories are to be believed the fetus was still alive and therefore not the source of the sepsis. So it follows that removing the fetus would also not remove the sepsis. However, under Church teaching, a life-saving procedure, which unintentionally results in abortion, is considered acceptable because abortion is not the intention of the procedure. Good example, ectopic pregnancy. So with this case, had doctors gone in and removed whatever was causing the sepsis, which, again, was not necessarily the child, even if such resulted in abortion, that should have been in keeping with the law. Of course, there is no way to really know the facts, because the pro-abortion factions in all countries is notorious for altering them for most dramatic media frenzy.

Wounded Knee the Irish are well aware that India is a dump. Just as we are now well aware that you are a complete idiot for assuming we don't.

Silling tells us that the Irish are racist. Maybe care to explain how such racists tolerate the highest rate of immigration in Europe, silling? You're an idiot.

Silling would you kindly shut your stupid mouth and keep your idiotic opinions to yourself. There is absolutely nothing about this case to suggest there was an element of racism involved. You're some idiot who left Ireland 30 years ago, has never been back since and who thinks they know what Ireland is like. Ireland doesn't need to grow up. You need to shut up, and stop making ludicrous assumptions about a place you know nothing about!

I have today emailed the Indian Ambassador to Ireland, as follows - Dear Ambassador, I note that the Irish ambassador to India has been summoned, in order to account for the tragic death of an Indian national in Ireland under circumstances of a dangerous childbirth situation. Might I say that I am most intrigued that a nation, which turns a blind eye to the callous and INTENTIONAL murder of an average of 1,000 innocent young women EVERY YEAR, should seek to call another sovereign nation to account for an accidental death. These murders in India are committed in the name of "family honour", even most disgustingly described as "honour killings" and they are NOT accidental, but are, indeed murders most foul. Would not your authorities be far better employed at seeking to rectify the above - also trying to improve the death in childbirth ratio to somewhere even approaching Ireland's almost unsurpassed record in this field? I understand that 20,000 Indian women die in your country every year during childbirth. Twenty thousand!!! Many of your own countrywomen arrive on our shores, already pregnant, every year in order to have their babies here and to live here. We welcome them and they enjoy living amongst us. Is this the thanks we get - one single accidental death and your government makes an international diplomatic scene out of it? A little reflection on India's part would not go amiss. Yours sincerely (Full Name Supplied) Éamonn, Dublin, Ireland. Very Proud to be IRISH.

Paul Ryan, failed vice presidential candidate and his wife faced this exact same situation and chose to abort thee fetus to save Mrs. Ryan's life. Had they lived in Ireland, she might have met the same fate. And yet Paul Ryan supported a bill to outlaw all abortions, just as was the case here. He only changed his stance once he was nominated for vice president. Despite the fact that he and his wife made a choice to abort their fetus in favor of his wife's life.