Ireland may require a referendum as part of Europe’s plans for fiscal union

the treaty talks about the deal being at member stgates constitutional level - so that should trigger a referendum as amendments to the Irish constitution are subject to a referendum. This treaty involves giving even more control of the Irish economy to the EU - it is the basis for a federal United States of Europe. As to the UK being isolated - there are plenty of European countries outside the EU that are doing just fine - Switzerland, Norway etc. The UK is all for the EU as a free trade bloc but not as a political and fiscal union towards a United States of Europe. The Irish government is currently doing the bidding of European bankers to implement austerity measures - the power no longer lies in Dublin as a sovereign government.

Georgie Boy the problem is the kids of these people are Irish born.The families of children born here are now legally entitled to return following a decision of the European Court of Justice in March which declared children born in the EU to foreign national parents are entitled to EU citizenship.They just were not fast enough getting their asses back out of the country.

If the current Irish government run yet another EU referendum, will they keep running it until they get the results that they want, like the previous administration of a la carte democrats. If there is a Nice/Lisbon III referendum, I trust the Irish will reject it decisively.

pittsburghkid: I suggest you check out this morning's Sunday Independent newspaper on line. Look for an article headed "State facing €100m bill to fight 2,000 asylum seeker deportation injunctions". It's the most extraordinary article I've seen in years. Seems that Ireland will have to spend up to $140 million to FLY BACK to Ireland so-called refugee applicants who had been denied refugee status by the Irish system. The EU is insisting on it. There's no hope for Ireland, it's surrounded by hyenas from the rest of the world who want merely to tear it to pieces.

CitizenWhy: "And don't you think Germany promised a break to Ireland when Enda allowed Germany to review and amend its budget before the Dail even saw it?" NO I certainly don't think that. There's not the slightest evidence for what you imply. It's nonsense.

Pittsburghkid.Relax.Lets see what happens.The GDP per Capita in Ireland is $48,517.The GDP per Capita in West Virginia $29,537.The highest GDP per Capita in the USA is Massachusetts at $49,082.It's ok.Don't believe everything you read.Most of us still have a few bucks hidden.It's the Irish way.

There will probably be no referendum, just a vote in the Dail. The "referendum" will come later in the form of elections for the Dail - one candidate for, one against. But meanwhile the Dail will have voted the Treaty amendments and the Constitutional additions in. ... And don't you think Germany promised a break to Ireland when Enda allowed Germany to review and amend its budget before the Dail even saw it? ... Once there is in place certain budget restrictions for each member country in the EuroZone, there are many ways to re-manage debt and even initiate some targeted stimuli (requiring approval of the new centralized Fiscal/Budget Authority). ... At some point when the EuroZone has some sort of centralized Executive (most likely an Authority or two with specific missions rather than a full fledged federal government), then the EU Parliament needs a review. Do the EuroZone members alone get to vote on EuroZone matters? I can't see letting the full EU Parliament make legislation for the EuroZone, which will in effect become a federation n within a federation. Perhaps there will two houses of the EU Parliament, one EuroZone only with authority over the EuroZone, and one with authority for the entire EU, but only on matters beyond the scope of the EuroZone agreements. .. The EU and the EuroZone can be made to work, no need for break up.

Ireland might be poor with out the EU, but being in the EU won't stop Ireland from being poor. In the United States we have poor states, like West Virginia for example. Being in a EU or a USA doesn't guarentee wealth. The EU is imposing Globalist rules which will distroy Ireland. Already you have Africans claiming racism in Ireland. In America Globalism is flooding non-whites in to America with the claims of racism against America. Please save Ireland for the Irish, and dump the EU.

LOL @Georgie Boy.Tourette fu*king Syndrome.What the fu*k is that?Is that some-fu*kin'-thing you can catch in Tourette in France? ha-fu*kin-ha.Consult with your cats excrement all you want.Nobody could tell ye apart anyway.

hasny07: "Without the EU, Ireland would still be the poorest country in Western Europe". Who the hell are you to tell us what would have happened if a decision made 40 years ago had been different? Who the hell appointed you soothsayer and clairvoyant? You're a nobody. All the evidence of your posts here shows you to be a fool whose opinion is worthless nonsense. I'd sooner consult my cat, or better still her excrement, if I were looking for signs and auguries about where Ireland might be if it had stayed out of the EU. Or maybe the simple thing would be to check out Norway and Switzerland...

Curpeter (you hate that, don't you?) you're a stupid foul-mouthed fool. You resort to cursing because of your chronic inability to express yourself. Have you ever been diagnosed with Tourette Syndrome? In this case, being Irish means you're just not used to having a Prime Minister who puts his country's interests before those of Germany and France. Your country has not had such a Prime Minister in living memory. You're a spineless slob, a disgusting cur. A lickspittle lump of putrid jelly, like your lousy Irish politicians. One British patriot like David Cameron is worth a million cap-tipping numbskulls like you. I wish I was in Ireland and I 'd kick you aside like I would kick any mangy cur. You'd yelp and whine, and slink away, because you're nothing but servile racist slime.

Let's see, we had a war that took up a good part of the 1870's, a war that lasted from 1914 to 1918 and a war took up half of the 1940's. Germany didn't reach its goals in any. Do we think that Germany will finally achieve it's destiny to rule all of Europe? Do we think that the Brits don't understand?

Opportunities present themselves on few occasions.Ireland is now staring at one in a life time.Support Cameron,he is doing what is right for the UK,Kenny needs to follow suite and do what is right for Ireland.The UK and Ireland can move forward with much more relaiable partners than the same old cronies in Europe thats only goal is to rule.

Ireland's death spiral was caused, mostly, by the absurdity of a dead man and a drunken idiot signing a bank guarantee. At least Lenihan had the good grace to die, but the corpulent Biffo lives on. He should be suspended by heels on College Green and heavy penyata sticks handed out to the people he royally screwed.

Without the EU, Ireland would still be the poorest country in Western Europe. Ireland is surviving on a lifeline from Brussels right now. The EU is not the problem, it was the bad policies and poor regulation of the banking sector in Ireland and the other PIIGS countries that caused the mess that we are in. Most smart Irish people understand that, it's the ignorant and the dumb who don't get it. As for the Brits, they will be even more marginalized going forward. The Germans and French will be shaping the direction of the future EU while the Brits will be watching powerlessly from the sidelines. Britain will become even less useful for Washington and the "special relationship" less meaningful, if London has no longer any say in Brussels or influence in Berlin and Paris. These days US presidents are calling first Berlin, the economic center of Europe. Britain is shooting itself in the foot by isolating itself from the rest of Europe. It wouldn't be smart for Ireland to follow UK's lead in that respect, unless it wants to tie itself again in every way to its former colonial master.