Immigrants flooding into Ireland despite bad economic times there

I agree that Mr jacers’ posts are tiresome. I stopped reading his latest baloney after I saw him claiming that there is an EU obligation to grant citizenship after 5 years. Wrong. Spain has a ten year residency rule, I am sure there are lots of other examples I could cite.

(…more) Last year, it was reported that employment of immigrants in Ireland fell by 40%, putting the unemployment rate amongst immigrants at 18% as opposed to the national average of 14%. It is bad enough that unemployment benefit is paid by Irish taxpayers to a huge number of its own people but to have to fork out unemployment benefit for 18% of Ireland’s immigrants, as well as pay for their social housing, just cannot go on. The Irish taxpayer just doesn’t have that money available – something that anyone, with or without an MBA qualification, should know. And I believe the ICI, which does sterling work on behalf of immigrants, should make that clear to foreign people making enquiries about coming to Ireland. How about the ICI using words like “You’d be better off not coming to Ireland”?

As an aside bit of info, the Immigrant Council of Ireland (ICI) has just this very day called for a review in the decision-making process for granting citizenship so as to make it easier for foreign people to get Irish citizenship. It reported a huge increase in numbers (up to 64,000) of people from (get this!) no less than 145 countries enquiring about gaining citizenship in Ireland last year. That is a frightening statistic because, when families members associated with each enquirer are added, the 64,000 could be bumped up to 300,000 seeking citizenship - and that’s just in one year. The ICI also said that the queries it received from foreigners included information on work permits, residency rights and on becoming an international student in Ireland. The ICI also highlighted the number of international students coming to the end of their studies seeking to remain in the county as citizens. So from that, one can safely assume that some foreigners are using the international student ‘route’ to surreptitiously gain Irish citizenship (More…)

What an interesting question by casualMBA (it can be coupled with seamus60 and curtis’ comments). I don’t think immigration concerns will feature much on the agenda for Ireland’s Presidency - the biggest concern today is getting Ireland out of its economic crisis. We will probably first and foremost use our presidential position to negotiate better deals on Ireland’s debt. However, casualMBA’s question raises the point that the EU obligations on Ireland to accept immigrants and refugees and grant Irish citizenship after 5 years could be up for negotiation at EU level while we hold the Presidency, IF we Irish pressed our Government to make an issue of it. Perhaps if we brought the UK Govt (which is also bound by the 5-year ‘residency-to-citizenship’ rule for immigrants) on our side on the issue, we could get somewhere. As a small country, we cannot continue to absorb immigrants as citizens at the current rate; it is just not sustainable. There are not enough jobs for native Irish, let alone immigrants.

Smyrnian – apologies accepted *shaking hands*. You’ve got a point about ICentral being leftist. It gives people like you and me great opportunities to lambast the agenda of its journalists.

The racist angle whatever side you`re on, takes away from the real issue. That is numbers that don`t add up for the good being of those already here regardless of their origion and or the natives. Side arguments are down to where they come from in the respect of issues like " will they respect and acknowledge the recognised pitiful minimim hourly rate" and not work for less etc.

Racism/supremacism is a degeneracy rooted in toxic anglo-dutch materialism. However, it is not racist to take the position that mass immigration without adequate assimilation has historically been a disaster in both antiquity and the modern world. Of course, the modern reasons for it are the needs of the commercial elite for cheap labor rather than true humanitarian concerns. Indigenous populations should have a right to preserve their culture.

stevenoh, I am not ashamed to be a racist. Much worse to be an abortionist or a thief or a murderer but not in the eyes of the immoral media. Again, how could the IRA stand by and watch the invasion and destruction of the Irish Nation???? The disunity of the Christian religions has caused the destruction of whites in America, Europe and now Ireland. Nigeria has 90 million people and Ireland 5 million so get used to more and more and more black immigration....Germans, Italians, Chinese, Japanese, Arabs will not go down on bended knee to what the liberals want. Can you imagine giving away your country because you don't want the liberal media to call you a racist....Hey, I'm an Irish American and I'll hate whoever I want to and more of that attitude is needed by the Irish.

Jackets - I have never tried twitter. apparently you have a lot of time on your hands, which I do not. As for IC , it exists to push a lefty agenda and everyone knows this. I do apologize for my comment, though, it was a bit unfair.

Aside from the "acquiesce to the inevitable" comments, I am curious. Just curious, if you will. Would the President of the EU, albeit for six months, have the wherewithal to put an immigration, sovereignty, or member access issue foremost, lastmost, on the European Union's Agenda?

@ Smyrnian, no apologies to you if you find my posts tiresome reading; you should have gone to Specsavers. Pls provide proof that they are tiresomely without substance. Most posters here on ICentral are well able to intelligently argue points over more than two-liner comments and I do bother me barmy to read the depths of them in order to appreciate what they are saying from their hearts. Irish Central exists for reasoned and unreasoned debate. Go back to twitter if you can’t read or write more than one or two derogatory smart-alec lines.

@ seamus60 – you’re quite right to draw attention to Sinn Féin’s campaign to encourage immigration. The SF party survives on votes from angry people with little education (including some Irish people), to whom they (the SF party) portray themselves as their saviours, fighting for their immigrant rights (and votes, whatever colour of skin they may be of).

Jackers - lots of volume and too many word but no substance. Your postings are tiresome.

Yet hardly a poster has a problem with Adams and his party wanting the flood gates opened even more. The blind loyalty knows no bounds. Gives great credance to RULING BY FOOLING.

Apart from what I posted below, I’m not going to answer any further comment by Alara or Wou’knee on the Toyosi case as I’ve had my say, refuting Wou’knee’s ridiculous claim, supported by Alara, of me lying, but may comment further on the subject of the article above. Actually, I mightn’t ‘cos many posters are saying what I might offer… that Ireland’s immigration problem is getting too big for such a small country like ours and needs proper addressing, perhaps by being specially excused from the EU inter-country rights for citizens of its member countries. It is one thing to support Human Rights; is it another thing to fear to address the Irish people’s equality of Human Rights in their own small land?