Interviews with former IRA members collected for a Boston College Irish history project cannot be sealed until after their death and must be made available to British authorities and US Justice Department prosecutors, a US Appeals Court has ruled.
The material will now be handed over to police by next month according to press reports.
The British government have been seeking the interviews carried out by researchers Ed Moloney and Anthony McIntyre with leading figures from the IRA and Loyalist paramilitaries as part of a Boston College oral history project. Senators John Kerry and Chuck Schumer had been among those seeking to keep the information secret until the participants had died as had been agreed with them.
The court, as a lower court did, has sided with prosecutors who want full access to the interviews. Moloney and McIntyre had claimed that their assurance to the subjects that their testimonies would not be revealed until after their death covered them.
Chief Judge Sandra Lynch stated the researchers could not claim that they had specific rights under her reading of a legal treaty between the United States and the United Kingdom.
She also stated that the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in its 1972 "Branzburg v. Hayes" decision that journalists do not have the right to refuse subpoenas based on their own promises of confidentiality.
"As in Branzburg, there is no reason to create such a privilege here," Lynch wrote. "The choice to investigate criminal activity belongs to the government and is not subject to veto by academic researchers."
Boston College had originally sought to block access to the records also but later relented and agreed to hand some over. Separately, they have sought to stop the release of seven other tapes but the chances are now very slim after this ruling.
The British request came after testimony from a former IRA senior figure Brendan Hughes, one of those interviewed who sought to implicate Sinn Fein leader Gerry Adams in the notorious Jean McConville murder, appeared in a book ‘Voices from the Grave’ by Ed Moloney after his death.
McConville was killed for being a British spy in 1972 by the IRA, but her body was not found until 2003. Hughes, who had fallen out with Adams, made the allegation in the Moloney book but his evidence was hotly disputed.
Former IRA figure Dolours Price was one of several former IRA members who gave interviews as part of The Belfast Project between 2001 and 2006. All participants were assured the interviews were secret until their deaths. But Northern Ireland police probing the IRA 1972 killing of McConville want the recordings.
The British authorities are said to be especially interested in the testimony of Price as she was close to senior figures in the IRA early in the camapign and they believe she has information on several murders. She was formerly married to actor Stephen Rea and has suffered post-traumatic stress following force feeding during her time in prison.
It was also reported by the Irish News newspaper that she gave similar evidence already to a committee set up to track the many cases of people who disappeared during the Troubles
Conducted between 2001 to 2006 and known as the Belfast Project, the goal of the college’s academic project was to interview members of the IRA and other Irish paramilitary organizations about their activities during the Troubles. It was not, however, intended to become a tool of a wider government investigation.
All participants were assured their identities would remain confidential and that the interviews would only be released after their deaths. All of the transcripts are currently maintained by Boston College.
According to lawyers for Boston College, releasing the interviews would break the IRA's so-called code of silence and could lead to punishment by death, according to their court filing.
"Our position is that the premature release of the tapes could threaten the safety of the participants, the enterprise of oral history, and the ongoing peace and reconciliation process in Northern Ireland," said Jack Dunn, a spokesman for Boston College, in a recent statement to The New York Times.
In a statement, a U.S. Justice Department spokeswoman said the agency was happy.
"The decision of the Court also recognizes the strong public interest in not impeding criminal investigations, and the federal interest in reciprocal cooperation in criminal proceedings between foreign nations," it said.
Jim Cotter, one of the researchers' attorneys told Reuters he was "tremendously disappointed" by the ruling.
Cotter said he fears ramifications both on the peace process and on the safety and welfare of his clients and the people they interview, if the material becomes public earlier than they were promised.
"I don't like losing a case based on the law, but in this case I'm more concerned about the safety of our clients and the participants in the Belfast Project," Cotter said, "This is just going to raise old issues that were put to rest with the Good Friday Agreement," the 1998 peace treaty, he said.
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Switch to the desktop site to post a comment.merefalow | Oct 08, 2012, 01:41 PM EDT
KEEP STIRRING THE POT UNTILL IT BOILS OVER AGAIN.
Gordan Duggan | Oct 08, 2012, 01:35 PM EDT
Schon: Sean and Mairead get over excited when people don't agree with the IRA views and start insulting people actually living in Ireland. If you are from the Republic, you're a West Brit, a Southie, a Stickie, a Free Stater etc. (in my 55 years. 30 as an Irish lawyer,I have never heard these terms applied to my fellow citizens) yet he and Mairead choose to live in a British Commonwealth Country and Sean claims elsewhere to have been from Clondalkin, Dublin which doesn't add up. It's easy to pontificate about Ireland when you don't live here. His last post is indeed purerile. He and Mairead obviously take turns on the computer but they don't listen to anybody, so I should not bother as its falling on deaf ears.
Schon | Jul 17, 2012, 10:13 PM EDT
seanomelb I'm a bit disappointed that you didn't argue with any of the facts I presented. But then, the truth is hard to deny. Luv & Kisses
seanomelb | Jul 17, 2012, 07:45 PM EDT
Your puerile humour befits your feeble mind child killer
Schon | Jul 17, 2012, 12:43 PM EDT
seanomelb I was talking about you to a friend. See that, I'm making you famous. He comes from McDonald Street of the Falls. He reminded me of the joke that was doing the rounds in the 70's. It goes like this... Sean was driving a stolen car with a bomb on the back seat. His passenger, Patrick, was a bit concerned that his driving was reckless and that the bomb might go off prematurely. 'Not to worry,' said our Sean. 'Sure, I've got a spare one in the boot.' It wasn't you that was driving that car, was it? Somehow I feel there's a resemblance. Luv & Kisses
Schon | Jul 17, 2012, 12:31 PM EDT
seanomelb stay with the programme; IN IRELAND the Security forces were responsible for around 360 deaths while the republican murders killed more than 2060. There were more children killed by republicans than by the security forces, so where is your high ground? And unlike your heros, the security forces were trying to stop the killing. At the peak there was over 25,000 troops and around 10,000 RUC and reservists serving in the North. Are you telling me that with so many troops the security forces only managed to kill 360 people over 30 years? The vast majority of the 360 were republican and loyalist terrorists. Jesus, if it had been the Yanks there would have been a couple of hundred thousand dead. And about 'Shoot to Kill' Stalker... the man was a cop unaccustomed to weapons. Yes, there was a Shoot to Kill policy. The Standard Operating Procedure (SOP) was to shoot to kill not to wound. This was because a shot to the torso had a good chance of stopping the bullet preventing collateral injury to (innocent) third parties. Shooting someone in the leg would leave a bullet with sufficient kinetic energy to cause death or serious injury to innocent third parties even at some distance from the intended target. What was not SOP was Shoot on Sight. Had it been then I personally would have had a body count approaching 100, including Gerry, a number of his SF comrades and a number of loyalist murderers too. I might have bagged a couple of innocents by mistaken identity, but that was why Shoot on Sight was not British Army policy. God Seanomelb, but are you that stupid that you don't know these things? Or maybe... I know, you're using black propaganda to indoctrinate young people who weren't about at the time. Gee seanomelb you're a sly one...
seanomelb | Jul 16, 2012, 08:07 PM EDT
"schon the righteous arrogant tommy" I suppose it was OK for tommy's like you to fire on children playing in the streets from the comfort of your armoured cars or have a shoot to kill policy which was exposed by one of your own (Stalker) or maybe mowing down civilians on bloody sunday,need I mention more, and that guilt is certainly yours.Or Captain Murphy,s (British army) expose of the deliberate murder of civilians in Aden(1963-1967)The main past time of Tommy's like you was to throw a grenade into a market place and slip the ring on one of the dead.Or the prison camps in Kenya where people starved to death (1956) I actually have an ex BA friend who was their and was transfered from camp duty to the jungle because he dared give a cigarette to a camp inmate,I could go on but I'm afraid that mud might give way on the precarious immoral high ground you stand on. It's now time for me to end this discussion with a failed human being.
seanomelb | Jul 16, 2012, 05:03 AM EDT
seanomelb, Now, I know that with your intelligence, you may not believe me, and that it might, just might, come as a bit of a shock to yur system, but... I'm still alive! My writing this and previous posts should have given you a bit of a hint, but that's alright. I understand that delusional people find it difficult to accept the truth. But back to issues... so it's OK for you to use association to hang the guilt of the people the IRA were responsible for killing on me. Your logic is severely flawed. The republican terrorist killed more people that either the British Army or the RUC. Even the Loyalist thugs killed more than either RUC or Army. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were started by the US and your golden boy, Tony bLiar (the 'b' is silent) so, blame not the British Army, blame the people who have given credence to terrorism; they have shown the world that terrorism pays by giving the likes of Adams, McGuinness and their like paid jobs and respectability in society. So by your own logic you accept responsibility and praise the murderers for the deaths of the people in Omagh, the people killed in Bloody Friday and all other atrocities perpetrated by your murdering heroes. In contrast, my comrades and I in the British Army and RUC did own best to stop the murder. Remember that the Offical and Provisional IRA were quite good at killing the people that were hiding them in safe houses much more readily and on purpose... any innocent deaths caused by the Army or RUC were very unfortunate and sad but your lot when about the assassinations of the Roman Catholics providing the safe houses with gusto. Hell they even helped their arthritis with their surgical application of electric drills and deft incision of lead to Knees and other extremities. Keep taking the tablets seanomelb. They won't cure you but they might make the delusions less menacing. Luv & Kisses. PS I really think you should seek professional advice.
seanomelb | Jul 16, 2012, 12:44 AM EDT
I'm an atheist you fool and I make no apologies for Brit terrorist like you who were killed in the north. They were hiding in the catholic population!! the nationalists were giving them safe houses and thanking them for protecting their children from immoral jerks like you go beat your Lambegh drum or burn a paddy on a bonfire or hide behind your terrorist uniform whilst killing innocent Afghani and Iraqi children or what gets your rocks off that's if you have any you spineless coward.
seanomelb | Jul 14, 2012, 09:56 PM EDT
seanomelb You and all apologists of terrorism are as guilty of the deaths of all of the innocents and the members of the security forces who tried to prevent their deaths. You learned your bigoted history from the same priests that have preyed on the young Roman Catholics throughout Ireland. In the troubles there were more deaths from your murdering terrorist heros than from any action taken by Crown forces. I do know that there would have been a lot more deaths in the Roman Catholic population had the RUC and Army not been there to stop the loyalists. There are a lot more loyalists in the North and you just don't want to know the ones in Scotland. They were chomping at the bit to get over to Ireland to take their revenge against the republicans. But because the republican terrorists were hiding in the general Roman Catholic population, there would have been a lot of innocent Roman Catholics killed. I'm proud of my contribution in preventing deaths in any community. You show your colours lionising those murderers killing innocent people for their and your political goals. Who's the bigger man between us? You, a sponsor for murderers of innocents or me, trying to save life. I can still see the bodies of women and children torn apart by your heros bombs, the devastation caused by your heros bombs. Over our vaious discourses, you still haven't brought up any specifics in your pontificating. You still generalise about things you have never witnessed. You're all mouth and no substance. A true Irish hero?
seanomelb | Jul 14, 2012, 07:28 PM EDT
Ex British army terrorist what else would you like me to say.How many innocents have you killed in your roll as a British tommy or maybe chasing kids through the Divis flats a fine profession for a bigot.
Schon | Jul 13, 2012, 10:00 PM EDT
seanomelb take me to task and identify my bigotry instead of making ill informed generalisations. At least I have witnessed everything that I have related personally. Can you say that?
seanomelb | Jul 13, 2012, 07:23 PM EDT
You certainly are getting through to me Schon.Your simple bigoted and childlike postings are easy to see through. I gotta laugh at your version of truth imbecile.
Schon | Jul 13, 2012, 08:33 AM EDT
Dear seanomelb, you poor sad person. If, by posting in an adult fashion, (as you do perhaps?), you mean that I should distort and lie about what happened historically, I'm afraid that I refuse to lower myself to such actions. I report what I have witnessed first hand. Can you say the same? Your habit of not really reading a post is obvious from your retort... I never said where I was born. Also, it is pointless to comment without relating what points you are objecting to. Or maybe you can't, as my previous posts are historically correct and confound your bigotted republican dissembling. However, I am glad that you're not taking this personally as I can see that, though you are resisting me, I am getting through to you with the truth and that you will soon have the correct and honest history with which to revise your current inaccurate mindset. Remember, embrance your English so you can express yourself with a clear and honest mind. Luv and Kisses.
seanomelb | Jul 13, 2012, 03:31 AM EDT
I don't care where you were born child just grow up and post in an adult fashion if that's possible. You could never be to hard on anybody except in your own feeble mind.
Schon | Jul 12, 2012, 09:16 PM EDT
Dear seanomelb, dear, dear boy, I'm glad to rewrite history after the abominable lies delivered by the republican fraternity over the years. Someone has to tell the truth and I know, through experience, that the republicans subvert information to conform to their own dastardly requirements. What I have written I have witnessed and experienced first hand over the years. It should be obvious that narrow mindedness is a property of truth, dissembling is used, as you do, to mask the truth and aid your propaganda against the Brits. Maybe I'm being hard on you. Maybe yor dissembling is due to your limited grasp of the English language, I don't know. Maybe the words, horrible English words, are not familiar to you. Perhaps your schooling has been by Christian Brothers who brainwashed you at a young age to dispise the Brits. Again, I don't know. But take it from me, the Irish are their own worst enemy. Oh, and by the way, I'm Irish and I've lived in the North since 1970. Not a Yankee jerk as you cleverly deduced.
seanomelb | Jul 11, 2012, 07:41 PM EDT
Schon I love the way you rewrite the history books to suit your narrow mindedness .Think you owe Mairead an apology for you arrogant self centred opening line.I suppose it's typical of a Yankee jerk such as you.
seanomelb | Jul 11, 2012, 07:36 PM EDT
What a weak reply I'm disappointed Dano.
DanOLoingsigh | Jul 11, 2012, 02:40 PM EDT
SEANO - Better a goose than a Stool Pigeon?
DanOLoingsigh | Jul 11, 2012, 02:31 PM EDT
maireadinmelb - evidence is evidence, and unless privileged, which this is not, any investigator has a duty to try and secure...how else can we know the weight of evidence in any particular case?
seanomelb | Jul 10, 2012, 07:20 PM EDT
I know who the goose is Dano would you like some sauce.
Schon | Jul 10, 2012, 12:25 PM EDT
Hi seamus60, errata re my comment re Cardinal Cahal Daly. At the time he was a priest, not a bishop as I stated.
Schon | Jul 10, 2012, 12:21 PM EDT
Dear maireadinmelb, you most innocent of innocents. Perhaps you aren't aware that at the time of the Bloody Sunday shootings, the residents of Bogside and Craggen in Londonderry weren't actually friendly with the RUC. Not only were they not friendly but refused to provide any British representative with evidence that substantiated their cl;aims. Much of what was claimed then and now has been anecdotal with no substantiating evidence. This reticence may have been due to their republican political stance (or maybe because James Martin Pacelli McGuinness might have sent the boys 'round with electric drills or worse). Anyway, the main reason the casualties of the action have been deemed to be without fault, is that their bodies were recovered by the paras and that in doing so, any forensic evidence was compromised... the soldiers recovering the bodies may have had residue from firing weapons on their uniforms which would then have been transferred to the clothing and skin of the casualties... hence the reports that no gunshot residue had been found. As usual, the Brits without wishing to cause offense to the families of those killed and injured, sanitised their reports stating that there was NO CONCLUSIVE PROOF that any of those shot had fired weapons. This, unfortunately was taken by the public in general ignorance, and scheming politicians, terrorists and lawyers with gusto, to infer that none of the casualties fired weapons. In short, if there is no evidence or that evidence is withheld, then the investigating officers would not be able to make a case IN LAW. While your 'investigative reporter' can spout whatever he is told and infer truth, the cop on the beat and the prosecuting body needs evidence that will stand up in a court of law. Unfortunately, the republicans refused to cooperate with the civil authorities so if anyone is to blame for the lack of an investigation being made, it was the republicans, not the civil authorities.
Schon | Jul 10, 2012, 11:27 AM EDT
Hi seamus60, The RA have already admitted murdering Jean and they said that they had tortured her. The reason for the murder was basically because she was a protestant, though she had converted to Roman Catholicism on marriage, and also to scare local Catholics from informing. Just wait 'til the transcript from Brendan Hughes and Delores Price is released. Then you'll see. Also to be divulged will be the policy dictated by the Army Council to cause deaths in the republican community and get the Brits and proddies charged. The republican dissembling appears to have fooled the dweebs in Westminster (cf Bloody Sunday investigation) when, in fact, both Official and Provision IRA were actively engaged in the shooting. (Re Interview with Cardinal (then Bishop) Daily reporting that he and others remonstrated with a civilian gunman telling him to stop shooting as he was drawing fire from the paras on himself and others tending a wounded male. - BBC interview circa 1978.) At the time, of Bloody Sunday, the deputy First Minister was IC of the Londonderry Brigade PIRA. I have family connections with members of INLA who claim to have been privy to the action and subsequent events. I hope you enjoy reading Brendan and Delores words when they are released.
maireadinmelb | Jul 10, 2012, 05:46 AM EDT
The ruc did not investigate the events of bloody sunday and it was left to the people to pressure the government for a judicial review! Why should researchers do teh job of the RUC. they need to legally find their own evidence. I would laugh if what they want is not contained in the interviews though~
maireadinmelb | Jul 10, 2012, 05:23 AM EDT
Dano there is a difference between open findings in a public investigation and the freedom of speech associated with a confidential discussion. Interview is not a public document saville inquiry is!
seamus60 | Jul 09, 2012, 07:39 PM EDT
Schon. RAPED and murdered. Can you in any way back that up ?
seanomelb | Jul 09, 2012, 07:37 PM EDT
Youngpike is in the realms of
seamus60 | Jul 09, 2012, 05:18 PM EDT
NYNighthawk. Your ignorance of the people interviewed knows no bounds.
seamus60 | Jul 09, 2012, 05:09 PM EDT
Youngpike. They did wipe the IRA out, the smart way. As for who dispises anyone else, where do you get those figures ???????
YoungPike | Jul 09, 2012, 01:29 PM EDT
I'm sick of reading all the Brit-bashing by you Plastic Paddies. You lot funded the bombings throughout the seventies and eighties and for that reason millions of Irish people despise you for it!
ancavker | Jul 09, 2012, 12:08 PM EDT
The real question is, if the British had so thoroughly infiltrated the IRA, why did they not wipe it out in the late 80's when supposedly they could have?
DanOLoingsigh | Jul 09, 2012, 09:45 AM EDT
Interesting to compare and contrast attitudes of certain posters to this investigation, as opposed to the PSNI Bloody Sunday investigation...sauce for the goose?
IrelandNorth | Jul 09, 2012, 08:13 AM EDT
This controversy may betray a persistence of English securocacy over British-Irish democracy. Ex-British Secretary of State for Northern Ireland, when asked on SKY TV did the Mc Guinness/Queen handshake mean the end of the peace process, undiplomatically answered in the affirmative. A possible hint that the British securocracy see the Peace Process purely in terms of disarming the IRA and dividing and conquering its political leadership. As usual, democracy and peace in Ireland may be sacrificed on the alter of imperial expediency. British Taoiseach David Cameron, after his impressive olive branch apropos Saville had his altruistic wings clipped re Finucan Enquiry due to imperialist hawks in his own class/party. NB British vegetarian/democrats were never a threat to Ireland. Only their carniverous imperialists.
esatdigiwank | Jul 09, 2012, 07:37 AM EDT
Tough sh*t. Q: Whats the Gaelic word for 'omerta'? A: There ain't one.
Schon | Jul 09, 2012, 05:01 AM EDT
Least you bigoted Irish apologists for murder forget McConville was a mother of 10 children and she had a name. It was Jean. Jean McConville was raped and murdered because she was a protestant, not because she was a British spy. It's about time the US got its act together and realise that the IRA and the rest of the terrorists in Ireland are nothing but a bunch of thugs. Their leadership in the past should be hunted down like bin Laden and his like.
Cheryld | Jul 09, 2012, 01:07 AM EDT
maybe when HOLDER hands over the fast and furious papers.
DanOLoingsigh | Jul 08, 2012, 03:12 PM EDT
maireadinmelb - 'if there is evidence of a murder of course those who are accused should be presented to a court' - good to see you're supporting disclosure of the evidence in those 'Boston Tapes'?
seamus60 | Jul 08, 2012, 02:58 PM EDT
Sorry That should have read component as opposed to aponent
seamus60 | Jul 08, 2012, 02:57 PM EDT
All the hype because Gerry is mentioned in the tapes. Any one like to place a bet on anything happening to him in relation to these tapes. lol This whole exercise has nothing to do with getting Gerry or any other corrupt leaders on either side. It is an atempt to stop people like myself dead in our tracks, should we decide to put pen to paper in relation to our past activities carried out on the orders of this same corrupt leadership, who incidently were never in the RA. History is being manipulated to suit certain agenda`s. Those who now reap great benefits can not allow the truth to be outed. The same truth we all alowed to be distorted as an aponent of our ongoing war at the time, as in any war. The very reason we see neither side busting a gut for a truth commission. Adams has been exposed as the man who allowed the last 6 Hunger strikers to die, his first call of defence was to lie, when proven as a liar he then aquired the help of others in muddying the water, yet the brits did not take the golden opportunity of blasting him right out of the water. He had several supergrass`s with statements against him and another leader in the 80`s, they walked away from another golden opportunity. Lets not forget their new rebuttal of anything coming to light via ex combatants. They`re all suffering mental health problems. The article itself never missed the point.
bunkerhill | Jul 08, 2012, 02:45 PM EDT
Can we in the USA be shown the video again of the British military firing into a peacefully marching crowd of men, women and children on Bloody Sunday. If this happened anywhere else in the world by any other army, there would be outrage. If you have a copy of Gail Sheehy's book "Passages," read the prelude. Sheehy was standing on the sidelines of the march when the British Army opened fire. To her horror a thirteen year old Irish boy standing next to her was shot in the forehead and killed. Why should the "British" army worry? They have done this on every continent, to every indigenous population and gotten away with it. I thought we had gained our independence but it seems all the "royals" have to do is invite Hollywood or our pols to the "palace" and the "royals" get great press. Their mighty empire was gained attacking decent people worldwide who were just living their lives. All the spoils when to the top and the commoners were cannon fodder. Remember we Americans did fight that war didn't we. Oh yes, they were back in 1812 and burned Washington DC to the ground. What a nice, fair group they are.
DanOLoingsigh | Jul 08, 2012, 11:11 AM EDT
Maireadinmelb – Interesting that you want a US court to ‘compel’ another jurisdiction to commence proceedings – I always thought republicans fought against interference by outsiders?
DanOLoingsigh | Jul 08, 2012, 11:08 AM EDT
Maireadinmelb – Interesting that you want a US court to ‘compel’ another jurisdiction to commence proceedings – I always thought republicans fought against interference by outsiders?
ballyhip | Jul 08, 2012, 09:23 AM EDT
When a discussion of "freedom" erupts in the US it dissolves into an irrational rant against "taxes". This an example of a real threat. Academics must have the opportunity to conduct research, treaty or no treaty. Also, the the IRA considered themselves soldiers in a war. War is dirty and nasty. We know many US soldiers executed POW's in every modern war but we never pursue them in criminal courts. South Africa recognized that after their peace agreement followed by a Peace and Reconciliation Commission. Lastly, does anyone trust the British Judicial or Commission system when it comes to Ireland? Can you say Widgery Tribunal?
mcbride292 | Jul 08, 2012, 09:03 AM EDT
Reporter to interviewee "The information you give will be kept secret until your death." Oh by the way, I have a guaranteed winning lottery ticket for $100.00. You interested?
lcobryan | Jul 08, 2012, 08:48 AM EDT
As a United States citizen I am appalled. As previously stated, the Good Friday accords were to surpress the criminality aspect both by the IRA and the Unionists. This is hate filled maliciousness. When will the English pay reparations to the citizens of Ireland and the diaspora globally for their state sanctioned terrorism over a millenia? The English refuse to extradite a sex offender (90% recidivism rate- monsters) to the US b/c MN will lock him up for good and that is deemed cruel. Go figure
citizen69 | Jul 08, 2012, 06:09 AM EDT
@DeanJackson: So you are saying that the British group killed a woman for being a British spy? Good luck with that theory.
citizen69 | Jul 08, 2012, 06:06 AM EDT
@tharkin: Yes indeed, i have a very real idea of what actual terror is. When the IRA explodes a no warning bomb in a shop in my own neighbourhood slaughtering innocent people... that, my friend is terrorism. When the IRA tie an innocent civilian to the steering wheel of a bomb-laden truck and force him to drive it towards a police station (under the threat of having his kidnapped family murdered) then exploding the bomb with the driver inside... Yeah, that is real terrorism. The IRA meet every single definition of the word terrorism.
occassio | Jul 08, 2012, 03:07 AM EDT
While I understand BC's wish to place events in context and preserve for history, they had no juristiction to promise anonymity or security around the testimonies. However, all parties signed the Good Friday Agreement which included the strand regarding putting to rest issues of the past on both sides of the conflict. The PSNI is a foil of British Government that continues to exacerbate an already difficult and tenuous situation. And the U.S. continues to act naively in believing that justice is served. These tapes will be fuel in the hands of the PSNI who are not known for their discretion or their even handed justice
Mickey Ryan | Jul 08, 2012, 03:00 AM EDT
Why are you all surprised? This "legal treaty" is a very old USA/UK White Anglo Saxon Protestant government alliance that goes back centuries. Ruling against Irish Catholics is a no-brainer.
maireadinmelb | Jul 07, 2012, 11:33 PM EDT
Interesting that this court says it wants to assist in Murder investigations in other countries, will it compel the british to also take the testimony on the Unionist participants in teh project and investigate their actions?? Further will America request the British provide money now to investigate the murders of irish people at the hands of so called "security forces?"
seanomelb | Jul 07, 2012, 07:32 PM EDT
maryosullivan I doubt IC stopped you from giving that information.I've been echoing your words on this site for 2yrs.slainte9 do really expect fair play? Britain will not allow any officers who gave orders to shoot to kill civilians on bloody sunday to face any court or jail time.This "new" murder investigation will be a whitewash.
Searlit | Jul 07, 2012, 06:29 PM EDT
As an American, I am very sorry to read that America has betrayed Ireland in this way.
oaklongan | Jul 07, 2012, 04:34 PM EDT
TisEyerish,"they (Brits) are gluttonous people and simply would not recognize the freedom that the Irish craved for centuries." Agree...which is WHY ...the American Revolution; there'd be 'royal' & 'aristocrat's' castle-estates from sea-to-shining-sea in the U.S. with the then & now farmers & others paying the gluttons-share of Protection Money to said gluttons. Tharkin (in reply to NYNighthawk) " Do you have any idea what the definition of terrorism is if you are part of a society that is being persecuted for existing?...You might find a little info on who the Real terrorists are.." THARKIN YOU'RE 100% ACCURATE ! I recently re-read an old 1880's letter re: how the 'ryots in India were considered as "the black cattle" by the east-India tea co. agent-rulers Before the 1850's Mutiny-era...The so-called Zemindar-class were compllicit in the ryot's apalling, shameful treatment. Eyewitness history is a must for all humans who Can (or even desire) to read and KNOW IT! R
aloistmartin | Jul 07, 2012, 04:26 PM EDT
Another Insecure, Self Conscious, Bourgeois Capitalist attempt at Gentrifying Ireland in the direction of Dubliner Fish Soup and Crackers, International(Globalization)Diplomatics @!..? Soon everything the Irish Republic ever Dreamed or Achieved will be so much, Fish Soup and Crackers, over the Fields of Flanders @!..?
TisEyerish | Jul 07, 2012, 03:11 PM EDT
The US has just sold out the Irish. Another sad day; another blight on this once wonderful nation. I am so sorry that this is happening. The Brits need to look in their own backyard first, before going after the IRA. I am NOT in favor of war, or of crimes that involved the death of the innocent...I am also not in favor of the perpetrators of the need for these acts trying to exact revenge at this point in time. Britain could have left Ireland peacefully...they were given more than enough opportunity to do so. However, they are gluttonous people and simply would not recognize the freedom that the Irish craved for centuries. One line of thought on the potato famine of the 1850s is that the blight was deliberately introduced by the British. I tend to believe it...they wanted all the Irish land for themselves and would stoop to any means to rid the land of it's native inhabitants. Better than a million people died, several million were forced to move to other parts of the world in order to survive. In my opinion, not one square inch of Ireland should be under British rule; they should be forced to release Northern Ireland from it's bonds so it can become part of the Republic of Ireland. Shame on you, America. Long live the Irish!
briddy29 | Jul 07, 2012, 02:51 PM EDT
I agree with others, burn 'em.
tharkin | Jul 07, 2012, 02:36 PM EDT
NYNIGHTHAWK & CITIZEN 69 - - - Have you got any real idea about actual terror? Do you have any idea what the definition of terrorism is if you are part of a society that is being persecuted for existing? You sit on your uninformed high horse, led by the nose, by the agenda driven media you quote - The real terrorists are your politicians, policy makers, blind Generals & the murderers they control in many different countries - Read a little on any group that are classed as terrorists, only read some historical information from before the first bomb or retaliation was put forward - You might find a little info on who the real terrorists are, Although I imagine you will not, as to be blind ignorant & passive is easier than to understand the truth. Idiots.
maryosullivan | Jul 07, 2012, 01:41 PM EDT
Explanation, if you please Why is it, when I respond to an news item , and I point the following, of the 173 children murdered, 153 were murdered by the Brits and their surrogates , this information is never published???
seagreen | Jul 07, 2012, 01:38 PM EDT
slainte9 Very good point.... Nothing good can come of releasing this information. The end result of the tapes being made public will result in more death and chaos. NO MATTER HOW YOU DEFINE IT . The tapes need to disappear. All of the progress of the last ten years will be for naught. As for Boston College, take a lesson from your hockey team, they know how to do things right 1
slainte9 | Jul 07, 2012, 01:10 PM EDT
Does this mean the US courts will require the Brits to open up their files on their Army's atrocities. The Brits still haven't punished a soul for the Bloody Sunday massacre, but they're pedalling as fast as they can to prosecute the IRA.
maryosullivan | Jul 07, 2012, 01:08 PM EDT
citizen69; the essence of terrorism is the killing of children. during the so called TROUBLES 173 children were murdered, 20 by the IRA and 153 by Brits. I assume you are asking for justice for the 153 children SEE; www.terrorismireland.org
NYNighthawk | Jul 07, 2012, 12:51 PM EDT
The idiots who gave these interviews because the nitwit reporters said it would be kept confidential deserve what they are going to get very shortly. A smart Irishman would have asked to see the legal statue that claims there is confidentiality for the interview. These jerks soussed from drinking Guiness all day just shot off their mouths as fools. But on the other hand- they are terrorists and will get what's coming to them. Sometimes justice takes time as evidenced here. Lol- the 2 journalists better keep the shades drawn on their home windows- they put a lot of people in the court dockets now with this "project". Typical Irish crap!
Springfield9 | Jul 07, 2012, 12:43 PM EDT
Burn them
citizen69 | Jul 07, 2012, 12:31 PM EDT
Good job. Now maybe these tapes will help provide justice for innocent victims of terrorism.
bear022013 | Jul 07, 2012, 11:36 AM EDT
Don't trust any of those political hacks.Destroy the tapes and leave the lads be...they fought for Eirs.
hermitTalker | Jul 07, 2012, 11:27 AM EDT
What legal principles and precedent did they use? Same as the ones they are stalling about with the Mexico gun running that backfired on them. Or Obama forcing people to violate their consciences so he can spread condoms, STDs and abort more kids who could dig the economy out of the hole, which is partly dug by welfare cheats, lazy druggies and others who sit on their backsides drinking and snorting when they are not stealing old people's ATM cards, and making babies to be raised on other peoples' tax money.
SeamusMor | Jul 07, 2012, 11:14 AM EDT
Fiat justitia ruat caelum!
SeamusMartin | Jul 07, 2012, 11:11 AM EDT
Tis a travesty of the worst proportions. What will it accomplish besides bring up the horrors of the past. Destroy the tapes or manuscripts... NOW!
Nelsonbarry | Jul 07, 2012, 11:02 AM EDT
love to hear those files end up in a small fire someplace. Ed Moloney and Anthony McIntyre , Hope you idiots are happy now.
Rebelforce | Jul 07, 2012, 10:49 AM EDT
Growing up in a corrupt, repressive society like Northern Ireland, they should know better than to say anything at all that might be incriminating. Let's hope all they said to the interviewer was, "I was an Irish Freedom Fighter who fought to free my country from an unjust colonial occupation. I am happy to see that our struggle led to the radical reformation of the six county statelet." As for the dopey US court ruling, what can you say? These are the same judicial "elites" who recently ruled that corporations have the same rights and priviledges as a US citizen.
Padraig8 | Jul 07, 2012, 10:35 AM EDT
Another ruling by a Court that is not in the best interest of anyone. let sleeping dogs lie we now have peace but some want to stir up the situation so that the brits will look good and the Irish will look bad.All of the past actions in the north would not have happened if the brits had not invaded another country in the first place.tiocfaidh ar la
gypsyrose58 | Jul 07, 2012, 10:34 AM EDT
I think they should leave people alone,leave the past where it belongs..in the past..