It is disturbing to note that the President Obama and his advisers are now routinely saying things about Islam and American history that are, basically, not quite true.
John Brennan, the president's top counter-terrorism adviser recently called jihad a “legitimate tenet of Islam,” and stated that “[we do not] describe our enemy as 'jihadists' or 'Islamists' because jihad is a holy struggle, a legitimate tenet of Islam, meaning to purify oneself or one's community…”
However, a more knowledgeable voice, the respected historian Bernard Lewis, finds that "the overwhelming majority of [Islamic] classical theologians, jurists, and traditionalists…understood the obligation of jihad in a military sense."
The doctrinal interpretations of Brennan, whose parents come from Ireland, and Obama, non-Muslim Westerners with no Islamic theological training, are fascinating.
However, at least one real Muslim leader, whose interpretation has been followed by millions, appears to disagree with the White House’s interpretation of the concept of jihad.
The Ayatollah Khomeini has said: “Islam makes it incumbent on all adult males, provided they are not disabled or incapacitated, to prepare themselves for the conquest of [other] countries so that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every country in the world. . . . But those who study Islamic Holy War will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world. . . . Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those [who say this] are witless. Islam says: Kill all the unbelievers … Islam says: Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword! The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for the Holy Warriors! There are hundreds of other [Qur'anic] psalms and Hadiths [sayings of the Prophet] urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all this mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim.”
In a recent editorial entitled “Obama’s Islamic America – What country is he talking about?” The Washington Times says, “President Obama says Islam has always been part of America, which raises the question, does the president know something about American history that we don't? …. Mr. Obama said the rituals of Ramadan ‘remind us of the principles that we hold in common and Islam's role in advancing justice, progress, tolerance and the dignity of all human beings. Ramadan is a celebration of a faith known for great diversity and racial equality. And here in the United States, Ramdan is a reminder that Islam has always been part of America….’
The Washington Times says “That Islam has had a major role in advancing justice, progress, tolerance and the dignity of all human beings may come as a surprise to Muslim women. Young Afghan girls who are having acid thrown in their faces on the way to school might want to offer their perspectives….Most puzzling is the President's claim that ‘Islam has always been part of America.’ Islam had no influence on the origins and development of the United States. It contributed nothing to early American political culture, art, literature, music or any other aspect of the early nation.”
The Washington Times’ version of history is not as nice as Mr. Obama’s. It does, however, have the advantage of being far closer to the truth.
Mr. Obama is not uninformed. Therefore, the only conclusion is that he is deliberately distorting history and ignoring facts for political ends. I imagine he is well-intentioned in doing this, but a lasting rapprochement between the West and Islam will not be built on falsehoods. The American people deserve the truth from their President.
Obama also stated “Muslim Americans serve with honor in our military.” This is often true, but there are exceptions, such as the recent Fort Hood massacre, or Asan Akbar, who attacked his comrades with grenades in 2003.
The Cordoba Initiative, the group behind the Ground Zero Mosque, also have a penchant for rewriting history and making dubious statements. Their website says: “Despite what many think, Islam and the West have a long history of coexistence and harmony. For nearly 800 years, the city of Cordoba in Spain endured as a shining example of tolerance among the three monotheistic religions.”
This is a complete falsification of history. Sadly, Islam and the West do not have a long history of harmony, as the Crusades and almost continuous conflict for 1400 years testifies. The Cordoba Initiative harks back to the Caphilate of Cordoba as a paradise of religious tolerance. It was in fact an imperialist Islamic state which had invaded and occupied Spain, a state in which Jews and Christians were either second class citizens or slaves until the native Spanish Christians repulsed Islam from Iberia in 1492.
Yet the Cordoba Initiative continues: “there is a close similarity between the values expressed in American secular documents and those characterizing Islamic Law…”
The idea that Sharia Law bears any real resemblance to the United States’ constitution, with its Enlightenment, common law and Christian-based values is beyond parody. It is, for example, reported that Imam Rauf, the man behind the Cordoba Initiative, will not sign a document saying that apostates from Islam should not be killed. Such killing is an accepted tenet of Sharia law. However, I can’t recall reading that in the US Constitution.
The Cordoba website also says: “As for America, Muslims consistently admire aspects of the United States.” This statement is hedged, but misleading. America is, with the possible exception of Israel, the most hated nation in the Islamic world. It is also overwhelmingly disliked by Muslims within Europe and elsewhere.
There is however one statement on the Cordoba Initiative website that is certainly true:
“Americans want answers about Islam: To what extent do violent extremists actually speak for the opinions of Muslims everywhere? Is Islam a violent religion? Does it hinder freedoms or present an obstacle to democracy? Are Muslims in America a threat to Americans’ security?”
Americans deserve those answers. And it is clear that they will not get them from their President or from the Cordoba Initiative.
The world once held out great hope for an American President with Muslim family, and even a Muslim name, reaching out to the Islamic world and bringing peace and understanding. However, in stating that Islam played a vital role in American history and in setting himself up as an Islamic theologian who can rewrite history, and pronounce on the proper interpretation Islamic doctrine, Obama has departed in to the realm of fantasy. He must awake from his delusions, see the world as it is, and then seek peace on the basis of reality.
Thankfully most Muslims throughout the world are moderate in their views and abhor the extremists’ violent interpretations of their creed. However, it is vital to acknowledge that such interpretations do exist. Obama seems to want to sweep that fact under the carpet.
Last Friday the president said that Muslims’ right to religious freedom “includes the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in lower Manhattan.” If that’s his opinion, fair enough.
However, the very next day he said: “I was not commenting, and I will not comment, on the wisdom of making the decision to put a mosque there…”
Except, very obviously, he was.
Peace will not be served by unconvincing reconstructions of the past (or of what you said yesterday) but by the construction of a new future; and that used to be precisely President Obama’s strength. When looks to the past, he looks lost and unconvincing. He used to look to the future. When he did, he offered the world hope, and his speeches chimed with the resonance of a deeper truth.
Nowadays, you just wonder whether he’s capable of telling the truth at all.
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Switch to the desktop site to post a comment.jacersisityourself | Sep 01, 2010, 07:42 PM EDT
PS - going away w/ the birdies for a while... back soon DV.
jacersisityourself | Sep 01, 2010, 07:41 PM EDT
mayoman - IrishAndPround makes valid points consistently but, unlike the many of us, is not capable of practicing what he preaches because he doesn't believe in religion of any kind. So, why do the likes of IAP consistently interfere in debates about anyone's religious beliefs - the things IAP doesn't believe in? At least, I hope I show in my posts a consistent belief in truth of religion, which no Muslim can sincerely can, since it's a false religion founded by a false prophet.
hancock | Aug 24, 2010, 02:07 PM EDT
Irish its called self loathing. Apaarently medieval religions are ok with the left when they hate America.
mayoman | Aug 24, 2010, 10:54 AM EDT
IrishAndProud: You make a valid point. Now why not practice what you preach?
IrishAndProud | Aug 24, 2010, 01:49 AM EDT
It is a SCREAM -- and so utterly inverted from the way it nomally is -- seeing all these pictures from NYC of these long-haired, tie-dyed, leftist fruitcakes holding up signs and chanting FOR 'freedom of religion', when normally their entire identity revolves around cursing, spitting at, heckling and taunting anything that even remotely smacks of religion. Such a sudden about-face -- and just because it's Islam, in this case -- is not going unnoticed. If this was a proposed Xtian Center (or JEWISH, especially), they couldn't wait to see who could verbally rake it through the coals of hell the most. But just because it's Islam, they've suddenly discovered the First Amendment (which isn't even at issue, here), and 'property rights.' How can a lib morph into a conservative in 2.5 seconds? Simple: when the topic is Islam...made all the more convoluted and ironic by the fact that these libs would be the first to have their throats sliced from ear to ear, if Islam ever had its ultimate way with them. They side with their own would-be killers just out of spite, and in doing so commit utter hypocrisy. And they don't even see how they're coming across -- they're that blind and stupid, and/or they think the rest of us (the great, unwashed 64% who don't want this mosque) are even MORE blind and stupid. They couldn't be more wrong.
MarkMary73 | Aug 23, 2010, 06:23 PM EDT
The writer quotes from thugs, who hate and kill in the guise of religion, in an attempt to discredit President Obama who makes just the opposite point--that true tenants of Islam have nothing to do with the actions of those who do evil in Islam's name. Does the Inquisition make all Catholics torturers? Do the Salem witch trials make all Protestants murderers? This writer must have a hidden agenda against Obama to engage in such irresponsible and pathetic character assassination.
IrishAndProud | Aug 23, 2010, 05:37 PM EDT
mayoman: for consistency's sake, be sure to call the left-wingers on it as well, when they refer to the Tea Party folks as 'Teabaggers.'
mayoman | Aug 23, 2010, 12:38 PM EDT
Hey Christisall: Followers of Islam are Muslims not "muzzies", as you so derogatorily like to refer to them. Why not behave like a Christian and can the bigotry? No one is impressed with your juvenile intolerance.
DeaconJack | Aug 23, 2010, 12:12 PM EDT
Osama Obama was a liar from conception,and he will lie to his death. The man has twisted a lot of knickers into knots,which only makes him more of an omadon than his Sharia leaders.
IrishAndProud | Aug 23, 2010, 03:35 AM EDT
And have you heard the latest? Jihadists online are stepping up threats against American targets, for their opposition to the 'peace and reconciliation' mosque at Ground Zero. They're basically saying 'accept our peace mosque or we'll kill you.' What a great way to make the American majority start to want that mosque, right? (Now watch the lefties get on here and say, 'see? If only you'd been 'nicer,' this wouldn't have happened!')
Christisall | Aug 22, 2010, 09:11 PM EDT
Osama, I mean obama, said some time ago that America is not a country of Christians. Which America would that be? He knows nothing about American history.
Christisall | Aug 22, 2010, 09:09 PM EDT
If the muzzies discover you are a homosexual, you are as good as dead. Sounds like a peaceful reilgion, right? NOT.
Christisall | Aug 22, 2010, 09:09 PM EDT
Muslims seem to think only they are believers.Well, we got news for them: Christians are believers in God and in Jesus Christ. What else matters?
Christisall | Aug 22, 2010, 09:07 PM EDT
Obama is the worst thing to ever happen to the USA!
blst4m4ev | Aug 22, 2010, 01:15 PM EDT
Obama and his media hounds are INTENTIONALLY misleading Americans with the goal of the downfall of America (the land of "nonbelievers"). If he and Islam cannot bring America down through military destruction or terrorist actions, he will help them bring America down economically - a downfall from within.
hancock | Aug 22, 2010, 11:45 AM EDT
Of course not friend , that is what realy amazes me about this line of thinking. Self loathing is my only conclusion.
FriendofIreland | Aug 22, 2010, 02:06 AM EDT
Hancock, you said it. But I disagree with one point. Christian bigots like this would never be tolerated. The world is willing to engage in double standards left, right, and center to appease Islam
Laura Wilson | Aug 21, 2010, 10:40 PM EDT
Here in america WE always have to be political correct, about (Everything) so much so it make's me SICK!!! yet they want to build this next to ground Zero ? what a sham, for once they need to be more sensitive to Us in our OWN country ...........JUST SAY NO, ...... dont let them build it. what another slap in OUR face, how many to we have to accept before WE stop kissing foreign BUTT!! what a joke. & again the egg would be on the US's face,
Binasdad | Aug 21, 2010, 09:23 PM EDT
Fundamentalists, be they Christian or Muslim, tend to have more in common with each other with regard to women's rights, tolerance for other faiths, authoitarianism in religion and government, attitudes toward people who who happen to be homosexual etc. than they do with their more tolerant co-religionists. Pit the intolerant elements of one religion against another and you have yourself a holy war. I just hope that openminded people of the 21st century outnumber medieval minds, be they Islamic or Christian.
hancock | Aug 21, 2010, 05:56 PM EDT
Is Islam a tolerant religion? Ask other religions even in the more secular Islamic countries, or ask women or homosexuals. Liberals love intolerant medieval men when its not their own country.
DennisQ | Aug 21, 2010, 05:55 PM EDT
Do Muslims have a collective responsibility for September 11th? Actually, they don't. There's no direct responsibility unless they were involved in the group of conspirators who implemented the plan. And there's no indirect responsibility, either. Other than the people directly involved, Muslims found out about the attack the day it happened - the same way the rest of us did.
Do Catholics share a collective responsibility for the conduct of a few wayward priests? Certainly not! People who blame Muslims for September 11th are like the ones who say the Catholic Church is corrupt. The point here is to blame people for their own actions, and you don't generalize to include others will some innocent connection to the guilty.
Right wing attitudes tend to clump together. Scratch an anti-Muslim, you'll also find somebody who favors deporting everyone whose immigration papers aren't in order. If they could get away with it, they'd say the undocumented Irish are out to set up Sharia law here in America.
mayoman | Aug 21, 2010, 05:28 PM EDT
Rory Fitzgerald is very apparently a bright guy, but he is also a bright guy that is unnecessarily fanning the fire of anti-Islamic bias. Anyone can write a column beginning with a conclusion, and then researching and finding quotes and incidents that one hopes are persuasive in support of one's arguments. Debate on vital issues need not lower itself to this sort of sophistry and intellectual manipulation. Rory needs an editor.
mhichil | Aug 21, 2010, 01:45 PM EDT
I suppose now it's allright to put a Catholic church next to a playground.....or maybe wait a few years till it cools down
CitizenWhy | Aug 21, 2010, 12:21 PM EDT
This article hits on the greatest challenge for Islam in the world - the meaning of Jihad. Islamic tradition certainly supports a military form of Jihad, but even then it is not to be waged against ... 1. Rulers or nations that do not oppress Muslims, unless a Muslim country is at war with that non-Muslim country. 2. Innocents, non-combatants. ... Thus Muslim leaders can speak out against certain military Jihads and terrorism without contradicting their tradition. Instead, most prefer to say that "Muslims should not be killing Muslims" instead of "Muslims should not be killing non-combatants and those who bear no ill will against Islam. That is why Bush, Obama, and Brennan are saying what they are saying, putting Islam in a good light: to avoind putting teh US in the category of bearing ill will toerds Muslims. ... On the other hand the US reckless right WANTS to oppress Islam in the US and WANTS a war with Islam, starting with a war between Israel & Iran. The US reckless right is putting our troops in danger in the Middle East by moving the US into a category where military Jihad against the US is justified. Does their contempt for the First Amendment and their irresponsible lack of concern for the safety of our troops make the reckless right traitor to the US?
LAcolleen | Aug 21, 2010, 12:13 PM EDT
We would have a much better chance of stopping this thing if people would stop calling it a "mosque"...it isn't. This is not a freedom of religion issue. It is a community center of 13 floors, one of which will have one prayer room. Primary use is NOT for worship. We MUST stop calling it a mosque; it confuses the issue.
Monsoonman | Aug 21, 2010, 11:59 AM EDT
I saw a "town hall meeting" last night of the American public expressing their views regarding the building of the "islamic cultural center" within 500' of ground zero. I now see exactly who the 26% of obamas hardcore voting base is. They are fervently behind obama and fervently behind this center.
Madeleine | Aug 21, 2010, 11:50 AM EDT
Britefether: This Mosque is built on the bomb site of the WTC. They are still finding body parts there, bits and piees. The engine of the plane is still sitting there in the building, it is in the same complex as the WTC, no one cares about their religion, but this mosque is being built by radicals, they are related to the Muslim Brotherhood and they built a Mosque on the site where the plane crashed in Shanksville, Pensylvania on 9-11, so this is what they do. I know there are good muslims out there, we just don't know who they are, they are very quiet .Mayor Bloomberg is really not tolerant, he does big business with Dubai so he doesn't want to step on their toes. No one ever said they don't want muslims there, they just don't want a Mosque built there, they were offered another piece of property for their Cultural center and they refused. No one said it was because of their religion although most muslims will say that it is, it isn't. If the Muslims win and build thier mosque there then they do but they are trying very hard to keep that from happening and to still have some say as to what happens in their town. No matter what Americans want they dont' get it anymore no matter how much they protest so they will probably get their mosque anyway. As for Obama keeping things on the right track he is a Muslim and he is all for them, he has already told us in a speech on TV that they are building this mosque anywhere they want its a free country and there is freedom of religion here, I'm glad he told us that, we didn't know that, coming from someone who thinks "there are 54 states in the Union, I've seen 53 and I have one more to go", we we're very impressed. He has also admitted to the President of Egypt that he is a muslim. What a shock.
LAcolleen | Aug 21, 2010, 10:51 AM EDT
People, those of you who think this is a freedom of religion issue, please do some research. This is NOT a mosque. It is NOT a place of worship. It is a community center. Freedom of religion has no bearing on this issue. Furthermore, it is a community center whose organizer will NOT reveal his funding. Follow the money and you will eventually see what the true intention of the compound is. We can't do this as they hide their financing so how do you make a non-emotional decision? Peronally, I believe that this entire incident has been created to incite division amongst Americans. Al-Queda found that a direct attack did nothing but bring Americans together as one as they have never been before. Logic then dictates that you attack from inside. As someone who suffered a loss on 9/11, I urge others to think about this. I don't care if they build a community center. We do have freedoms and rights in this country. However, compassion and sensitivity (things this organizer is claiming Islam has in abundance) dictate that it should be built elsewhere. I agree that Obama must be a one-term president. Yes, I voted for him...or rather, I voted against Sarah Palin, someone completely unqualified for any type of national office. I can only hope that the Republicans can find a candidate that is not polarizing and capable of reaching a broader scope than Palin could ever hope to.
FlynnMcCool | Aug 21, 2010, 01:47 AM EDT
Those who voted this fool in, take a good look around you, because if we dont drop this fool in 2012, we're gonna see the last of "Free America". then all of you are gonna bow to the east and yell "Alowh Akbar". Best be on you good behaviour, cause if you steal anything, that sword is gonna cut off which ever hand you used to take it with. For the women of America, be prepared to lose your licenses to drive, and pack you college books away, 'cause they dont let moslem girls go to college. God help The U.S. if OWEbama gets back,in 2012.
IrishAndProud | Aug 20, 2010, 09:04 PM EDT
GuinnessGrrl, the point is it is an Islamic Center, and it is going up too damned close to Ground Zero (that's why huge majorities of the American public do NOT want it there). I sincerely DOUBT that you would be so supportive if this was a Xtian center...but when it's Muslims (whose members murdered more people in 30 minutes than Ireland lost in 30 YEARS of the Troubles), then all of a sudden it's okay, just because it's politically correct to push Muslims and scorn Xtians (and especially JEWS nowadays, for that matter). All of a sudden, look how 'pro-religion' and 'pro-property-rights' the left wing is...when usually they gnash their teeth at such concepts. And again...the issue is not (and has never been) do they have the right to build there. It's ARE they right, to build there -- and the answer is a resounding NO. Now go spit on the 9/11 families some more by backing the Ground Zero Mosque.
Siobhan39 | Aug 20, 2010, 06:47 PM EDT
I support the First Amendment! I support Freedom of Religion.
manofaran | Aug 20, 2010, 05:11 PM EDT
Well said Eileend.
GuinnessGrrl | Aug 20, 2010, 04:20 PM EDT
This very headline is misleading! 1. It's not AT Ground Zero. 2. It's going to be a community center with a gym & a pool, and basketball courts, etc. with a prayer room on one of the upper floors. It's no more going to be a mosque than the YMCA is a church!
GuinnessGrrl | Aug 20, 2010, 04:17 PM EDT
Posted by gypsyspirit on Aug 20, 2010, 11:23 AM EDT I did not vote for this man and seen it coming. There will be some type of war on American soil because of this. He now knows all the secrets as president. what happens when he leaves office?! I am afraid. I want to leave the US. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ gypsyspirit, don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya on your way out!
GuinnessGrrl | Aug 20, 2010, 04:16 PM EDT
Brava eileend!
eileend | Aug 20, 2010, 04:15 PM EDT
Oh. One more thing. I listened to a very intelligent woman speak of the practices against women by Muslim clerics. These practices are societal, not core beliefs. Just like men have forbidden women discipleship or salvation or the right to not die in childbirth in the name of Christ, so societies imprint their own traditions on the religion. The Koran preaches equality and peace. It preaches justice and compassion. One of the five basic tenets of the faith is almsgiving. Christ had to come and talk on a mount to codify that one for Christians. The Muslim world is not going away. We have to learn to live together, or we will surely all go the way of the Crusaders(and really, the Christians didn't do so well in that one, either). And the best way to get along is to understand each other. A man is not evil simply because he gives the same God I worship a different name. Might be because he speaks a different language.
eileend | Aug 20, 2010, 04:07 PM EDT
Rory,my mother used to say that the devil could quote the bible for his own purposes. You've cherry picked items that reinforce your expression of intolerance. I live in a city with a sizeable Muslim population that goes back at least fifty or sixty years. Oddly, we have had no massacres. We have a growing population of Bosnian muslims who are here to escape the kind of ethnic cleansing in their own homeland some right-wing idealogues are proposing for ours. I heartily agree with Zagloba. The problem with the way the news is carried on biased sites is that to refute it takes reams of information. Jihad IS a spiritual struggle. It is the struggle of faith. It is the radicals who have hijacked the basic meaning in the Koran and made into murder, just like the KKK took the basic tenets of Christianity and did the same. Yes, one or two Muslims killed people at an army base. So have Christian soldiers. So have Christian militists. IF there weren't a lot of Muslims around in 1776, at least Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson were well aware of their beliefs and philosophies and were impressed. Because they actually read the Koran and studied the various branches and philosophers of the world of Islam. The Muslim world did welcome people of Christian and Jewish faith. It was the Christians who got surly, and provoked the reaction that ignited the Crusades. Islam also gave us great advances in arithmetic, science, medicine, and astronomy. To vilify an entire religion of a billion people for what about a hundred thousand do is like condemning the people in Iowa for being insensitive, tasteless jerks because you've seen Housewives of New Jersey.
zagloba | Aug 20, 2010, 03:40 PM EDT
Your view is extrememly one-sided, and a proper response could take 3 pages. First, quoting the "Washington Times" immedialtely shows your bias. You might as well quote Fox News. Second, while it is indisputable that in expansion phase of Islam, violence was the method, it is also true that once checked, Muslim rule in their core territories was not violent (their Spanish frontier was turbulent - a lot like the Welsh Marches, and the Scots border in English history). Before the Crusades, Muslim rulers allowed Christians and Jews to travel to their holy sites in the Middle East. That all changed with the Crusades, in retaliation. Finally, Islam has a vast range of beliefs and practices, just like Christianity (Southern Baptista to Episcopalians - VERY different) or Judaism (Ultra Conservatives to Hasidism to Reformed). You can't paint Islam with a single brush. Unless you have a political agenda. HMMM
glorybe1929 | Aug 20, 2010, 02:42 PM EDT
Thank you for getting it right!
chesapeake | Aug 20, 2010, 01:58 PM EDT
Thank you, Mr. Fitzgerald, for getting it right.
PhlutiePhan | Aug 20, 2010, 01:24 PM EDT
Obviously, there is a "clear and present danger" developing akin to what Harrison Ford warned about by way of Tom Clancy. The "king has no clothes". Representatives of religion were the first to "stand in line" to bow to an extreme pro abortion advocate. Just this month, he sent his wife and daughter to southern Spain, the land of the Moors. Shcoking!
britfether | Aug 20, 2010, 01:09 PM EDT
Hey Rory, where were you when Bush said that Islam is a religion of peace? Why don't we just round up all the Moslems in America and assume that they all follow that nut case Ayottolla and give them the option to go back to Iran or live in prison for the rest of their lives or take a pill and head for their version of heaven? And get of this mosque crapolla. Let NYC decide what they want to do about it and keep the national news clean of NYC politics and zoning ordinances. If you live anywhere other than NYC, it ain't your dog in the hunt. Come on people, if President Obama doesn't try to keep some control of radical right wing mindfreaks who live in fear of anything other than being guided by Christian beliefs, then who the hell is going to keep the cat in the bag instead of unleashing hatred all over America against Moslem Americans? Get a grip on it Rory and give some credit to Obama for at least trying to keep people from each other's throats until time and history show who is wrong. Your exposure of these so-called facts of yours, may be right or wrong, but the alternative of demonizing anyone for even thinking like a Moslem, let alone being one like the Ayottolla is carrying your case way over the edge and into the territroy of domestic violence and sedition. The only one's I see undermining the US Government is people like you who cry wolf to often to scare everyone else. Any by the way, just how far does a mosque have to be from ground zero anyway? There are about 12 of them in Manhatten already. Is it four blocks, eight blocks or twelve blocks? What's good for you buddy? Ya'll need to get your heads out of your butts and understand that this is all going away after November 6th and all these big issues become non-issues. Wake the heck up you sheep!!!
HorsesInMdstrm | Aug 20, 2010, 12:51 PM EDT
As an earlier post noted, citing the Washington Times, Sun Myung Moon's newspaper, as a source is not something that motivates me to believe the piece. (How long has Moon's religion been a part of America?) I took the liberty of looking up Bernard Lewis on Wikipedia. Some of the points cited by the author seem to agree with Lewis' opinions but his main citation regarding the conflation of jihad with military action seems to be unsupported by Lewis' Primer on Islam. See for yourself - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Lewis. It should also be noted that Lewis is "perhaps the most significant intellectual influence behind the invasion of Iraq". Others have attributed to him the view that regime change in Iraq would provide a jolt that would "modernize the Middle East". This appeared in a Slate article. Mr. Lewis also condemned the Pope's 2000 apology to Islam for the Crusades. The author takes a fair amount of space to criticize the Cordoba Initiative using their own words, and mostly just saying that they are lies or obfuscations. I personally don't give a hoot whether this Center is built or not, but if you feel that the First Amendment guarantees rights of Muslims to practice their religion freely, it is hard to deny that this mosque/cultural center should be built. If you don't feel that Muslims have that First Amendment right, then please tell me what religion you plan to deny next.
jdi2269 | Aug 20, 2010, 12:22 PM EDT
THANK YOU FOR EXPOSING THIS FRAUD !!!!
bostonblakie | Aug 20, 2010, 12:00 PM EDT
This article rings true. Distortions of the truth never serve any good purpose.
imuverin | Aug 20, 2010, 11:46 AM EDT
Okay, so when did the Islamists arrive in America, I have read they where slaves brought here in the 16th Century, did they have any influence on our founding Fathers who believed in Freedom of Religion or where they deported because they where not Christians like the Chinese
gypsyspirit | Aug 20, 2010, 11:23 AM EDT
I did not vote for this man and seen it coming. There will be some type of war on American soil because of this. He now knows all the secrets as president. what happens when he leaves office?! I am afraid. I want to leave the US.
theirishdj | Aug 20, 2010, 11:21 AM EDT
When people said anybody could grow up to be president people in the know smiled. They are not smiling anymore. I believe Mr. Obama once said he was his own worst critic,not while I'm alive,not while I'm alive.Tony Fallon
FastEddy | Aug 20, 2010, 10:49 AM EDT
Well, same old, same old ... What do you all expect? He/they are politicians, after all. It IS unsettling when you consider that most of Islam are our sworn enemies, or at least they are swearing such. Despite the PR from WH, Khomeini is/was not any shining example of Islam, but a murderer and a thief. And the current leader of Islamic Iran is likewise, a killer. (The stoning of women and throwing acid in the faces of young school girls for what Irish and American women and girls do and say as a matter of course should be enough for to tip you all off.)
JamesMurphy | Aug 20, 2010, 10:11 AM EDT
Now, let's get this right: Ayatollah Khomeini was an embittered radical. His ideas and interpretation of the Koran were distorted and largely false. President Obama has it right--only a fanatical minority subscribe to the former's views.
nytreader | Aug 20, 2010, 09:55 AM EDT
I'm leaving America and moving back to Ireland so my religion, the Catholic Church can indoctrinate my children by molesting them. Lets face it all religions are out to conquest. Look what it did to Ireland. We turn a blind eye to these people and what do they do, they take advantage and screw us all up. I say, stop supporting any religion.
allentown | Aug 20, 2010, 09:48 AM EDT
It is certainly an eye opener to realize there are some Irish Central writers who don't have their head in the clouds.
jamthecat | Aug 20, 2010, 09:42 AM EDT
So...the rabble, lead by Rory Fitzgerald, rouse and decide that in the US freedom of religion applies only to Christians and Jews. America is dead; long live AmeriKa, right? You people sicken me.
mandokeith | Aug 20, 2010, 09:42 AM EDT
Wow! Well written Rory! Obama is a closet Muslim and is slowly but insidiously working to indoctrinate America into a complacency with Islam and allowing them to infiltrate and FILL America with their dangerous political and philosophical ideals. It isn't enough that they are anti-Christian and anti-Jew; but they are anti-freedom and anti-democracy. They have nothing to offer America except pain, control,and obviously death. The political correctness of "lets all play nice" doesn't work when you lie down with snakes.............It's time to stop this madness.
maryjeandc | Aug 20, 2010, 09:30 AM EDT
The President is right and represents the law in America. Irish immigrants including my grandmother received benefits from the laws. I feel like people have too short memories. 20 years ago Ireland had a reputation for using terrorism to advance your politics in Northern Ireland. The Roman Catholic Church history also includes brutal repressions of Jews and muslims....what are you thinking?
maryday | Aug 20, 2010, 09:26 AM EDT
Irish Centreal has finally got it right! Glad to see you woke up! President Obama is out to destroy America, and is succeeding at a rapid rate. At some point Americans will revolt and there will be a civil uprising. We have pretty much had as much as we can take of this man.
haasny007 | Aug 20, 2010, 09:10 AM EDT
Irish Central has finally succumbed to the verbal manure of the right-wing mob. Obama simply recognized Islam as major world religion and defended religious freedom in America also for muslims. Granted, Islam is most likely the wackiest and least tolerant of all the religions out there. I am no fan of the US-style religious freedom which allows every crazy sect to claim tax-exempt status on religious grounds. But it's the law of the land, constitutional law that is. The "Ground Zero Mosque" is a perfect wedge issue for the political right and they will milk it all the way to November. Obama did the right thing by defending the 1st Amendment. All those Democrats who are not 100% supporting him on this issue are cowards.
duluthirish | Aug 20, 2010, 09:03 AM EDT
I'm fear I have become too biased to offer objective insight on an article like this. The Muslim vs. Christianity facade has been hoisted on us by the puppetmasters to once again carve out their next financial opportunity amongst a severely beaten-down and antiquated system of global mercantilism. And just like the cultural pavlovian dogs we are....massaged endlessly by the well oiled propaganda of the brilliantly clever public relations powerhouses...we spew the predictable pablum of a species utterly incapable of any form of constructive conflict resolution.
newcanaan | Aug 20, 2010, 06:43 AM EDT
so glad to see you guys woke up
DennisQ | Aug 20, 2010, 01:34 AM EDT
There's a lot of phobia in Islamophobia, and this column is more fearful than most. I suspect Rory has never visited a Muslim country and does not know any Muslims. Ignorance is usually a breeding ground for irrational fear.
Come to think of it, the Muslims have been able to do some scary things over the past 10 years. If the official stories are to be believed, a small band of Muslim desperadoes managed to defeat the most sophisticated air defense system in the world - a system that untold millions to build. Even with an hour's lead time, these slick characters were able to evade missiles and interceptor jets and plant one right on the Pentagon itself. Not only that, but with the whole world watching in horror, they were able to fly a second jet into the World Trade Center, knocking down three buildings. Very few bowlers can convert a split like the distance between One World Trade and Seven World Trade, but the hijackers managed to do that.
We are now seeing America's mighty armies withdrawing in defeat from puny little Iraq - the country that was supposed to surrender inside of a week. Whatever these Muslims have going for them, it's mighty magic. And don't even mention Afghanistan, where the world's most raggedy army, led by a group of nutso's, are more than holding their own, they're actually winning . . . just like the Iraqis.
It's got to be black magic or some supernatural power they've got. It's fearsome, whatever it is. And speaking of black magic, what's up with this Barack Hussein Obama? Right under our noses!
How about a little honesty, Rory? You're afraid of Muslims and are spreading scare stories so you'll have company. The Devil knows your name, Rory! He's gonna get you, gonna get you, gonna get you . . . The Muslims are coming! The Muslims are coming! They know where you are.
IrishAndProud | Aug 20, 2010, 12:44 AM EDT
Or, as former Clinton adviser Dick Morris put it, in his article 'Ground Zero Mosque - The Real Issue' [BEGIN QUOTE]: "Politically, President Obama’s defense of the mosque and his efforts to make it a First Amendment issue are incredibly self-destructive. They raise questions about his political sanity. It is hard to believe how tone deaf he must have become to take such a position. He has now embraced two positions that are anathema to two-thirds of all Americans — the mosque and opposition to Arizona’s immigration law. Neither was a controversy that sought him out. He waded into each one voluntarily with flags flying. He had no role in the Arizona law but his lawsuit to invalidate it made it his fight. He does not sit on the New York City Planning Commission, but his endorsement of the mosque puts him squarely in the center of controversy. What is he using for brains these days?" [END QUOTE] Now, either the stuff Morris said is true, or it's not. If not, how?
IrishAndProud | Aug 19, 2010, 11:58 PM EDT
Uh, lawyer...the provo's and their supporters want British influence out of Ireland. They've not declared worldwide jihad on those who disagree with them, nor hijacked and flown any airplanes into buildings last I looked, nor sought to put up an Irish Republican center right next to the sites they bombed. Plus...with over a billion muslims worldwide, if even just two percent of them are nutbasket Islamists (and it's way, way higher than that), that's still TWENTY MILLION PEOPLE...over three times as many people as in all of Ireland. Not a very good comparison, you've made. I do know some good lawyer jokes, though.
Monsoonman | Aug 19, 2010, 11:42 PM EDT
Brendan: "simplistic summaries about another people. The Irish are supposed to know better than this."....you should read what our brethren say about jews and israel on this site, you will change your opinion.
Leoziax | Aug 19, 2010, 11:24 PM EDT
I went in skeptical. I read it and it raised some real questions. I am still an Obama supporter but this is a bit troubling. I will continue to search for the truth.
lawyer4 | Aug 19, 2010, 10:39 PM EDT
Islam is a global religion, and the percentage of Jihadist terrorist bombers within it is probably considerably less than the percentage of Provisional IRA sympathisers amongst Irish Catholics. I doubt if there would be such an ignorant fuss in the UK about an Irish Catholic cultural centre or church two blocks away from Birmingham's New Street. It is precisely because of such bigotry that America has few friends in the Muslim world.
lawyer4 | Aug 19, 2010, 10:25 PM EDT
Islam is a global religion, and the percentage of Jihadist terrorist bombers within it is probably considerably less than the percentage of Provisional IRA sympathisers amongst Irish Catholics. I doubt if there would be such an ignorant fuss in the UK about an Irish Catholic cultural centre or church two blocks away from Birmingham's New Street. It is precisely because of such bigotry that America has few friends in the Muslim world. We s
IrishAndProud | Aug 19, 2010, 08:47 PM EDT
BTW Binasdad what exactly are YOUR news sources? What, CNN? Time magazine, perhaps (which just today found only 26% support for the mosque at that location)? Exactly how are YOUR news sources any 'better' or 'less' biased than anyone else's?
IrishAndProud | Aug 19, 2010, 08:44 PM EDT
Binasdad, the Muslims weren't looking to park a victory mosque two blocks from Ground Zero (in the very spot where one of the landing gears from one of the hijacked jets hit, mind you) when GWB was President. And if they had, I would have expected just as much resistance to it then as we're seeing, now. Plus GWB didn't exactly seem overly-tilted toward Islam inherently, as his successor now is by an ever-growing number of people. You're talking about irrelevant what-if's. OBAMA is here now, and so are the plans for this HaMosque -- that's the current deal. Allowing a victory HaMosque at Ground Zero just to 'show how tolerant we are' would be a vastly bigger victory for Bin-Laden and his ilk than disallowing it in the first place. He doesn't care about our 'tolerance' beyond using it to allow an Islamic foothold on our soil -- in the very place they attacked us -- from which they will only expand to OBLITERATE the very freedom that allowed them in to do it. The inherent, catch-22 of democracy. The right thing here is for the Muslims to take their building elsewhere -- but of course that would defeat the entir purpose of it anyway, which is to (here we go again, wrapping back to the issue) establish an Islamic Victory HaMosque at Ground Zero.
BrendanPKeane | Aug 19, 2010, 07:26 PM EDT
It's this kind of blanket anti-Muslim rhetoric that makes opposition to the center on Park Place impossible, as it associates anyone who questions the wisdom of the mosque's location with simplistic summaries about another people. The Irish are supposed to know better than this.
Binasdad | Aug 19, 2010, 07:01 PM EDT
As soon as a writer cites Reverend Sun Young Moon's Washington Times as a source, he loses me but that is just a side issue. Were people as offended when GW Bush said similar things about Islam? We really are at war with radical Islamists like Al-Queda for the hearts and minds of the Muslum world. Bin Laden says that the US is waging a holy war on Islam, the present and past administration said that we are fighting terrorists who happen to be Muslim. When people lump all Muslims in with the bad eggs, they are playing right into Bin Laden's hands. Winning a few more seats come this November or any other Movember isn't worth that price.
Strongbow | Aug 19, 2010, 05:34 PM EDT
The first article I have read on this site that makes sense. Rory Fitzgerald is very insightful in this matter.
IrishAndProud | Aug 19, 2010, 02:41 PM EDT
Obama's pro-muslim rhetoric, orientation and actions have been so consistent (conversely his USA-bashing as well), that it has contributed in no small way to the fact that one in five Americans now believes he is a Muslim -- a number which includes one in ten DEMOCRATS!! And those numbers are not shrinking -- the more people know about this guy, the more confused they get. Check this out, from today's Time Magazine [BEGIN QUOTE]: "Opponents of the planned Islamic community center and mosque near Ground Zero in lower Manhattan have public opinion firmly in their corner. According to a new TIME poll, 61% of respondents oppose the construction of the Park51/Cordoba House project, compared with 26% who support it. More than 70% concur with the premise that proceeding with the plan would be an insult to the victims of the attacks on the World Trade Center. Opposition to the project appears to derive largely from the conviction that the proposed site of the project — just two blocks from Ground Zero, in a building that formerly housed a Burlington Coat Factory outlet — is so close to "hallowed ground," as President Obama put it." [END QUOTE]
irishwxman | Aug 19, 2010, 12:34 PM EDT
Obama has mislead the American people of a lot of things Rory. he is the biggest mistake this country has ever made.
KathyCallahan | Aug 19, 2010, 12:31 PM EDT
when he looks to the future post election Obama is telling it and calling it the way he sees it and it's through a belief system and pradigm that make no mistake is shared by many...but not the vast majoroty of New Yorkers or Americans. Unfortunately Obama is not suffering from delusions in the strict sense of the word because their is medication that can immedietly treat that seriously debilitating condition. Obama is consistently reflecting directly and passive aggressively a radically different belief, values system and world view that is not in synch with the facts reported in your column. Obama confidently displayed a glib shoot from the hip and later knee jerk PR correct reaction for months on end in regard to his minister for 20 years (like you really don't know what your mentor ministerhas been preaching for 20 years) and the brou ha ha up in Sargent Crowley's Boston.
KathyCallahan | Aug 19, 2010, 11:20 AM EDT
Pure Unadulterated Propaganda Has John Brennan been brainwashed? We are looking at a very scary situation, Obama administration. That Nancy Pelosi is calling for an investigation of those who question Faisel's schtick and financially support organizations that oppose the mosque is mental detrimental! Pelosi's playing schoool marmish tit for tat with conscionable objectors of Faisel Rauf's not fully vetted yet mosque that received the Hamas operational mosque seal of approval. If that's not another Jihadist bitch slap on the face of New Yorkers I don't know what is! Apparently Nancy Pelosi, Bloomy and Obama are suffering from a disorder that I coined a phrase for PCIID Politically Correct Instanity Inattention Disorder
KathyCallahan | Aug 19, 2010, 11:16 AM EDT
Pure Unadulterated Propaganda Has John Brennan been brainwashed? We are looking at a very scary situation, Obama administration. That Nancy Pelosi is calling for an investigation of those who question Faisel's schtick and financially support organizations that oppose the mosque is mental detrimental! Pelosi's playing schoool marmish tit for tat with conscionable objectors of Faisel Rauf's not fully vetted mosque but nevertheless received Hamas enthusiastic operational mosque seal of approval. If that's not another Jihadist bitch slap I don't know what is! Nancy Pelosi is suffering from a disorder that I coined a phrase for PCIID Politically Correct Instanity Inattention Disorder
jamieLM | Aug 19, 2010, 10:00 AM EDT
Finally an article that has some balance - hard to believe. You said it all, McNabb1966.
McNabb1966 | Aug 19, 2010, 09:26 AM EDT
Excellent article. Of course, don't expect a positive (or honest) response from the Lefties. Facts only irritate them. All they know for sure is that anybody who doesn't agree with them is a "racist" or a "bigot." Of course, it doesn't require much thought on their part but it sure does make them feel good about themselves! They're needy like that...