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German government slam the door on new bank deal for Irish

Dismiss efforts to get new terms after passing referendum


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The German government has delivered the first body blow to Irish hopes of a deal on bank debt – despite last week’s endorsement of the EU Fiscal Treaty.

Senior German officials have dismissed suggestions from the Irish cabinet a debt restructuring would be appropriate after the Yes vote in the referendum.

They have told Prime Minister Enda Kenny that any deal to re-open Ireland’s deal for the bank rescue would be a ‘negative signal’ at a time when Spain, Greece and Portugal are beset with similar problems.

PM Kenny admitted on Tuesday morning that no deal was imminent in the foreseeable future after the German remarks.

“I don’t expect any decision on Ireland’s bank debt this month,” said Kenny in Dublin.

“Until other serious issues are addressed, there will be no decision on Ireland’s bank debt
“The Greek and French elections, the assessment of Spanish banks and the ratification of the fiscal treaty by a number of countries will be the focus for June.

“Until they are complete, there will be no decision on the Irish situation.”

Kenny had raised the issue of Ireland’s bank debt with German chancellor Angela Merkel at a meeting last Friday amid talk of a ‘sweetheart’ deal for the Spanish banks.

But German officials have dismissed any suggestion that Ireland deserves a new deal on the back of the Fiscal Treaty endorsement.

“We see no need for movement at the moment,” said Martin Kotthaus, spokesman for finance minister Wolfgang Schäuble, in an interview with the Irish Times.

Another senior German official said: “Ireland is considered a model bailout student so you have to think of the consequences of such a renegotiation which would, in effect, double Ireland’s bailout programme.”

The Irish government is now resigned to the fact that the referendum may have no bearing on the cost of the bank bail-out.

“It is not about having a bargaining chip with the Germans, but it is Europe that has to negotiate any changes. There are many perspectives,” one Irish government source told the Irish Times.

The paper also reports that the European Commission warned against linking Ireland’s endorsement of the treaty with the clamour for a concession to ease the burden of the banking rescue.

“It’s a further commitment but it has nothing to do with the work that Ireland is doing with the help of the troika,” said a commission spokesman. “I’m not sure we can mix all the different processes that work in parallel.”


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@bythebay , the 123bn figure does not include the promissory notes or NAMA bonds, each of which stand at roughly 30bn, so the national debt is actually 180bn, not the 120bn or so that the gov pushes
screw the bankers who now own Ireland,get out of the eu straitjacket,print your own currency,own your own bank,what they going to do,send the bailiffs in?owning their own currencies,throwing off the yoke of the private world rip off banking system is the first step to true independence and freedom.the world banking system is rotten,corrupt , exploitative, elitist evil.
Declan Ganley of 'Libertas' used a poker metaphor of hold until you fold, demanding of the IMF/ECB corporate loansharkes: "Cut the bank debt or no deal!" Yet the mild colonial boys of Leinster House folded before they held, and dealt without a cut. (I trust they won't go to Las Vegas with my Confirmation money.) Question time in Dail Eireann yesterday showed Fíanna Fail (FF) purloining Sinn Fein (SF) questions in the order of business as to what Taoiseach Kenny talked about with Frau Merkel apres Referendum. Wouldn't say! The myth of opposition by the cosy constitutional cartel has been exposed since SF threw itself amongst the Free State pidgeons. Labour might like to remember that while the road to hell is paved with good intentions, the streets from Leinster Hse are strewn with the cannabilised cadavers of previous coalition juniour partners. Greens/PDs RIP!
I hope the US is ready to pay up its $15 trillion national debt. You'll be default if it doesn't, it's asking the EU for help. Sold themselves to the EU when their own President and Congress can't even agree a plan!
bobby, your figures are wrong. Ireland's national debt is 123 billion which includes the bank bailout. Irealnd's foreign debt is not the Irish Government's debt. It's all debt of Government, banks, companies including US and other countries companies in Ireland and other financial institutions.
Fasteddy you fail to realise, Ireland's foreign debt is €1.7 trillion on a par with Spain and slighty less than Italy the 3rd and 4th largest economies in the euro. Ireland's national debt is €180 billion. The population of Ireland is 4.6 million. The country cannot fail as it would be catastrophic for Europe with a knock on effect to the US and the rest of the world. Ireland owes €40 billion to US bank and investors, again if irish banks failed your banks will feel it for sure. Ireland to default or fail would be a very big problem for the world. I would suggest you read a bit more before making silly comments.
I hope all those who voted yes are happy with your lot, for they will reap what they sow. Adams is looking better as Taoiseach with each passing day. I hope we have no crocodile tears from the west Brits.
The door has been slammed on Ireland - with her inside the door, now that she has shown her weakness and caved in with the 'Yes' vote. Mor me naire, mo clann fein a dhiol a Mhathair. Great is my shame, my own clan has sold our Mother. Now a slave of the Euro/UN Dictators.
Well said VonLiebenitz
"That's all the thanks the Irish get for spending billions upon billions on all the masses of immigrants". You make a good point, Mr McGrath. As far as I can tell, in all the (half-hearted) negotiations with the EU, the Irish government never raised the question of what the EU, especially Eastern Europe, owes Ireland. Ireland gave jobs to countless unemployed workers in Poland, Latvia etc. It offered them almost free health care, it provided them with housing far superior to what they were used to, it taught their children English (for nothing) and indeed gave them free education in math, sciences, foreign languages --you name it. It paid child welfare to their children, regardless of whether those children even existed or had ever set foot in Ireland. It even withstood a crime wave from foreign migrants (one in three inmates of Irish penitentiaries is a foreigner). How come the stupid Irish government has never dumped the bill for all this on the table of the EU? The EU owes Ireland, not the other way around.
Bythebay first of all stfu.Why are you even here? Your not Irish so your opinion is irrelevant.Ireland threw away its, chances of any re-negotiation on the bank debt by voting yes to a treaty that is nothing more than an austerity straight jacket designed to secure confidence in bond market and keep the dead corpse of Europe on life support for a little while longer while the rich take all the benefits.The result for Ireland and Europe will be dire. Economic stagnation.Loss of essential public services.decline in civic morale amongst other things.The list is long.The decline of the west is writ large in stone.China will rise and become the dominant superpower and NATO and the U. S will instigate ww3 because they have no other option unless they want to give up their empire.The masses will be turned into landless serfs once again and the feudal lords will return(in fact they never really left.Ireland could have turned the tables and brought this casino gulag capitalist system down. But instead they choose continued drip feed security which is really a chimera and could disapear with a Greek default or a Spanish or an Italian one for that matter.The rich line their pockets and the poor go hungry.This can only end badly for all concerned.The elite have chose greed and selfishness over hard work and eventual salvation and the masses have been tricked yet again by their chicanery bombast and fear mongering.People turn of Faux News and RTE and look out the window.That.s were the truth lies.There and in your heart and your mind.Oh and and BytheBay? Quit trolling we know who you are and what you represent. Give it up.
The first time I conpleted a U.S. census form was in April, 1960, as a marine recruit in Parris Island. Non-citizens were acked to list their native country, and in the case of partitioned countries, to be spefific, such as East and West Germany, and Northern and Southern Ireand. I simply wrote IRELAND in the space, because my nationality applies to the all of Ireland - and my American citizenship to all fifty states. I should also mention that my U.S. citizenship cetificate shows the country of my former citizenship as Éire, a state to which I never owed any allegiance. Therefore, I didn't have any loyality to foreswear. My nationality was never restricted to Éire, Irish Free State, Southern Ireland, or that part of Ireland known by any other name.
i voted NO the rest of the flock voted yes because of scare tactics employed by the irish government,again sticking the knife in the side of the islands people.
When Brian Cowen's Minister for Finance Brian Lenihan, of Fianna Fáil guaranteed the Irish banks debt with no limits in September, 2008 in the middle of the night thus saving them from default, he did not ask Europe for its opinion of the decision. On the contrary, there wasn't even any Government meeting on the issue. That obligated Ireland to cover and pay that debt which couldn't be done. The European Union stepped in during 2010 and provided the Irish bailout which was largely required because of that wrong decision. Ireland cannot expect special consideration, that money has to be paid back and should be done responsibly. There is no changing the past. We need to face the present, meet our obligations and move into a far brighter future.
" We will serve neither King nor Kaiser ".




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