Gap between Catholics and Protestants in Northern Ireland down to just three per cent
Just 40 per cent say they are British only in latest Northern Ireland census
Published Tuesday, December 11, 2012, 7:06 AM
Updated Tuesday, December 11, 2012, 9:13 AM
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seanomelb | Dec 15, 2012, 11:05 PM EST
If only 28% of northern nationalists classify themselves as Catholics why do 42% of passport holders have irish passports???
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curtisjohnson | Dec 15, 2012, 10:12 PM EST
Dark but perhaps it is developing that way, seamus60 - the root of most of it being degnerate anglo-dutch materialism.
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seamus60 | Dec 15, 2012, 01:20 PM EST
We may well be arguing over issues that won`t matter in the not too far future. As we are all being sucked into a new world order. One where nothing will matter more than whether your personal chip is working properly. Anyone not complying to the orders of the world guardians, will find themselves with wonky chips, making life very difficult and no one prepared to speak on their behalf.
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curtisjohnson | Dec 15, 2012, 11:04 AM EST
STEVENSTAR "
Why the Northern part of my Country gives Americans so much concern and worry ill never know. It has nothing to do with you" Like it or not the harsh reality is that without Americans their would be no independent Irish state and the indigenous population would have been cleansed from the North long ago.
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STEVENSTAR | Dec 15, 2012, 10:45 AM EST
Why the Northern part of my Country gives Americans so much concern and worry ill never know. It has nothing to do with you . You live on a different continent and so far removed from Ireland and the Irish way of life its just comical... If i was you id focus more on your own country and its problems with guns etc... and nutcases going into Schools shooting kids and id forget about the people of Northern Ireland and all your opions as its totally irrelevant to all of you..
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Seanmor | Dec 15, 2012, 02:33 AM EST
One can easily understand why only 28% of the Catholics in the Six-Counties identify themselves as Irish, since successive governmenthe in the Southern Irish state have regarded the North's population as foreign people and their territory as alien soil.
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seanomelb | Dec 14, 2012, 05:37 PM EST
Here we go agin ciara wanting to stifle everyone elses opinion,butt out if you do not wish to add to the debate Your last five line are flawed and puerile to the extreme.
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Gearoid4 | Dec 14, 2012, 04:38 PM EST
The term "northern" Irish as a "nationality" in the context of the partitioned 6 partitioned counties, always seemed to me to be illogical from many angles. Donegal contains the furthest point north in Ireland, namely Malin Head, but yet it does not feature in the "northern" Ireland state. There is nothing to separate Donegal(or Monaghan or Cavan) in any meaningful ethnic, social or cultural sense from those six counties. The "northern" Irish identity seems to be me to be at best regional within the Island nation of Ireland and should encompass such areas as northern Leitrim, Cavan, Monaghan, Louth and Sligo if it is to be credible. I see it on the same level as someone from Rochdale claiming to be northern English, someone from the Isle of Skye referring to themselves as northern Scottish or a person from the town of Wrexham claiming to be northern Welsh. These are not national identities but geographical or regional ones, and it applies to the northern Irish identity as well.
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ciaradexy | Dec 14, 2012, 03:09 PM EST
Maybe this story needs to be reported properly, 25% of those who live in NI class themselves as Irish, 40% as British, 21% Northern Irish and 7% are neither Irish or British. This shows that the majority want to remain part of the UK and do not want a united Ireland. Leave them to it, its no one elses business unless you live there.
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ancavker | Dec 14, 2012, 10:57 AM EST
Citizen: The initial early
violence was bad, but by 1923 or
so, it had pretty much died off.
Comparing the U.S., to the U.K. is
a stretch. Yes the English put
together the U.K. only problem
with that is they did not really
check with the residents of
the various parts before it
was put together. I don't
believe the tax payers should
(English) should continue
to pay for a place that brings
nothing to the table.
The English people have the right
to stop this.Also to say
things were not handled perfectly
is an understatement. I would have
even been Ok with a temporary
partition of the country, had it
been done the way Lloyd George
presented it to Michael Collins.
As far as the IRA attacking
isolated Protestants, I dont
believe it was because they
were just Protestant, but
rather perceived as aiding
continued British rule. I will take
south Armagh off your hands, but no
deal on swapping Donegal for Fermanagh.
We northern Irish like to look
out for each other!
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citizen69 | Dec 14, 2012, 09:18 AM EST
@ancavker: But we ARE part of the same country as London, it's called the United Kingdom. Should Mainland USA support Alaska or Hawaii? It was the English that put the UK together, they weren't unwilling bedfellows in all of this. Its a bit disingenuous to call the IRA violence of the twenties in NI "annoying but no big deal". I'm sure the families of those murdered wouldn't have thought so. Many people on both sides were killed in the civil unrest back then. In just one incident 8 protestants were killed by a bomb on a tram in east Belfast and the southern IRA made many excursions over the border to attack isolated protestants. It was a very bloody period for both sides. I don't pretend for a second that everything was handled perfectly here in NI but we are were we are today as a result of all that has gone on in the past, no side has clean hands. Anyway, maybe we can do a deal regarding the Donegal - Fermanagh thing... although Fermanagh is beautiful too, so would you take Larne!? We'll even throw in South Armagh! ;-)
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ancavker | Dec 14, 2012, 08:35 AM EST
citizen: Many Irish are culturally not Really British,
but English, as they think everything from ENgland is better, or more fashionable. They cringe at their own. Much of this of course comes from an inferiority complex
that many Irish have. Also they cannot maje up their minds about my good Plastic Paddies in Eugland. On one hand they
are obsessed with English football teams like of course
Manchester United, and they say part of that reason is because many of the players have Irish connections, and yet they bash those same Plastic Paddies who are proud of those Irish connections.
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ancavker | Dec 14, 2012, 08:30 AM EST
citizen: Oh no, I criticize
the catholics/nationalists too,
for the welfare/dole, and all
the othe goodies. That is why
so many now would chose to
remain in the UK. Not because they
feel British, or are loyal, simply
because they get free money.More
so now after the people/government
in the south have made a mess
of the place. There is one thing
about subsidizing poorer areas
in England, the same is done in
the U.S., quite another in
subsidizing people in another
country. You did have 50 years
of little violence to build
a successful inclusive
northern Ireland. The IRA attacks
were pathetic and unsuccessful. You had
the armed RUC, the UDR, and the B-Specials
the IRA violence then was light
a fly on an elephant, annoying
but no big deal. Had the
Catholics not been treated
like second class citizens in
their own country we would
not have had th heartache of the
troubles. Peaceful civil
rights demonstrations, and all
the rest met with ciolence from
the loyalists. Sunningdale in
1973, a reasonable compromise
bought down by loyalist
violence, and the madness
continued for another 25 years.
This is your legacy of what
youcreated in northern Ireland.
By the way you may not have
Donegal, I do want my Fermanagh
back. And you do know that
at the time had the wishes
of the majority of people
been taken into consideration
you neve should have gotten
Fermanagh, Tyrone, west Derry,
and sout Armagh.
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IrelandNorth | Dec 14, 2012, 07:50 AM EST
If 21% of NI Census (NIC) identify themselves as Northern Irish (NI) only, fly the Ulsterised Saint Patrick's Cross 77 days per year (dpy). If 25% identify themselves as Irish only, fly the Irish tricolour 91 dpy. If 40% identify themselves as British only, fly the union jack 146 dpy. Since 14% of NIC declare no or none nationality, redistribute their 51 dpy to NI/Irish and British identities (ie 17 per national identity (tot 94/108/163 dpy)). Or fly the flags of those with dual national identity simultaneously for those 51 dpy. PS Loyalists will have to emend their protest placards to read: "Ulster is [40%] British!" Or: "Ulster is British[-ish]!"
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