News


Exclusive Interview with Tim Pat Coogan - A policy of ethnic cleansing? Who’s to blame for the Irish Famine?

"The Famine Plot" tells the unvarnished truth about that epic disaster


Tim Pat Coogan
Tim Pat Coogan

Guinness PubFinder Ad

At 77, now an undisputed elder statesman, it’s baffling that he could be considered a security risk.

If it turns out to be true that the British exerted political pressure on the U.S. to block or at least postpone Coogan’s book tour, they needn’t have worried. Coogan is at pains to point out it in his book that it was not the British public who were responsible for the Great Hunger.

Instead he lays the blame at British officialdom and the often absentee land owning classes which pursued a reckless or opportunistic course of action that exacerbated or exploited conditions on the ground.

For decades, Coogan contends, both British and Irish historians skirted the question of where to lay blame. He also knows why.

“I used to argue a lot about it because of the revisionist historians. It was as if they wanted us to consider the Famine as a sort of 19th century precursor to the Scarsdale Diet (a low fat, low calorie weight loss diet) and not a famine,” he said.

Eyewitnesses of the period like Earl Gray, the then colonial secretary, were in no doubt where the buck stopped.

“We have a military occupation of Ireland,” he told the House of Lords in March 1846, “but in no other sense can it be said to be governed. It (is) occupied by troops, not governed like England.”

It was apparent to Coogan that this central fact, Britain’s misgoverning of an otherwise ignored and dependent colony, was the lynchpin of the crisis.

“But I found that the angle that’s given in most of the studies, is that academics will try to break it down into those who favor the nationalist cause and those who favor – I’m not quite sure who the other side are meant to be.

“The nationalists have been portrayed as ravening nuts compared with the measure gentlemen who take the Scarsdale approach. It’s a kind of colonial cringe that happens, derived from the fact that most historians until recently were trained in England. They had their eyes on their careers, too, of course.”

The better studies on the Great Hunger have all been written by Irish Americans, Coogan contends, since they are outside the British tenure track loop and don’t have to bow the knee to this kind of shibboleth.

“Christine Kinealy, James Donnelly Junior, Bob Scally – all these guys have written about the Famine in a moving way and are above reproach. They don’t follow a hidebound path.”

Unlike their illustrious predecessors, these Irish American historians don’t give credence to the idea that it didn’t matter that food was exported from Ireland during the Famine. Nor have they shied away from examining the impact and legacy on the people who experienced it and their descendents.

“Two million died. It is two million by the way because modern scholarship shows that the loss to the birth rate was more than just a million. Whole families perished and there’s no records. The fevers were devastating and then there were all the diverted births, of children born on ships or born in America,” Coogan explains.


Nster.com


40 Comments

15 - 40 | See all comments

tory2x: thank you so kindly for noticing my diatribe, and you are very welcome. By the way, have you ever heard the saying, "pigs don't know pigs stink"?
When torytory cannot dispute the facts he hides behind the veil of "anglophobia".
“I also enjoy hearing englishmen describe the Irish hunger, the largest European social calamity of the 19th century, as an 'ethnic grudge.'” The irony being that, as demonstrated by, inter alia, the London Times articles during the famine, the english continued to hold an “ethnic grudge” against the Irish even after enslaving them, robbing all of their property (down to deforesting the island), outlawing ownership, forcing tithes to an alien “church,” and, incredibly, creating a class of felony for educating one’s children (this last one was a nice payback considering, in Spenser’s words, “the Saxons of England are said to have their letters and learning, and learned men, from the Irish). This does not even touch the surface of the centuries of atrocities such as half hangings, pitch and cap, crop burning, etc. It seems that no level of criminal activity can satiate their innate degeneracy.
I also enjoy hearing Englishmen describe the Irish hunger, the largest European social calamity of the 19th century, as an 'ethnic grudge.'
I always enjoy listening to Englishmen like ToryTory calmly inform us of what the Irish are thinking.
I am not 100% certain about this, but I am guessing that my Irish ancestors migrated to the US during the potato famine. They all came here during the first half of 1800s. I have four connections back to Ireland from the 1800s: O'Neill, Harney, McKenna and Anderson (Scots Irish). I feel so fortunate that they were able to make it to the United States, otherwise I would probably not exist.
Thanks Johnshiel for that banal and oh-so-typical Anglophobic diatribe.
I'm not being peremptory, but to suppose the psyche of an entire nation is predicated on some ethnic grudge is moronic beyond belief.
Enemy ownership of the land and control of the laws was in full exercise in the 1700's, before the Act of Union and the dissolution of an elected Irish gov't in Dublin. Weren't the Penal Laws at their zenith in the late 1700's? The arrogance and ugliness of English imperialism is to blame. "We deserve your lands and your dehumanization because, well, we're English!"
Trust an Englishman to tell you what the Irish are thinking. Or to deliver a timeline that informs them how and when they must put the past behind them like ToryTory just did. They have always been so insightful in this regard.
Steady on the melodrama, Cahir! They didn't starve in their millions (ie pl). Only approx one million (ie sing) starved. The Act of Union, 1800-1922 abolished Grattan's [Protestant Landed Gentry] Parliament in Dublin, with a little help of British bribes and peerages. It called protectionism, or nobbling a competitor. The great contemporary employment hunger and its consequent emigrant haemorrhage is in part caused by aficionados of neo-Trevalyanism amongst a native home grown ruling class - in thraldom to their former colonial paymasters. Redcoats have been replaced by greenjackets. The Lisbon Treaty was the new act of union. And debt entrapment is the new imperialsm! Hunger strikes in modern Irish history are quite probably unconscious repetition compulsions of the The Great Starvation. Since partial independence, partitionist party mode has been identification with the aggressor. TDs who draw down on over generous expense accounts whilst having real estate portfolios in excess of 40 properties may be overcompensating for a Famine syndrome. Or they just be plaiin greedy? (How many bags of spuds do you need in the attic to overprovision?) And just as those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it, so too are those who prevailed in any given struggle in a position to revise it, ie the establishment. PS The potatoe blight didn't just affect Ireland, (or parts of Scotland, Wales or England). It also impacted the mainland!
"The past is in the past..." Is that the reason for the continuing displays of loyalist triumphalism every 12th? Is this why they cannot accept democratically elected Sinn Fein in government?
Mainland brits are more like the Irish than you ever care to know get it right torytory
The past is in the past...
Tory brit, and you claim to know the thinking of the contemporary Irish.




Log into IrishCentral with your Facebook account


or sign-in directly

E-Mail:
Password:
 Remember me Forgot my password
Not a member? Register Now!
print this article Print
email this articleE-mail