Enda Kenny predicts united Ireland is inevitable at American conference
Irish leader says unification referendum will take place in the long term
Published Sunday, October 14, 2012, 7:27 AM
Updated Sunday, October 14, 2012, 7:27 AM
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jacersagain | Oct 15, 2012, 03:47 PM EDT
If Scotland votes to leave the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, the UK will no longer be ‘Great’ or ‘United’. That will leave NI Unionists without a Union to belong to. Whither shall they go then?
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Gearoid4 | Oct 15, 2012, 01:55 PM EDT
Seamus60 has put his finger on the main reason(economic) why nationalists at the moment are holding their consent for a United Ireland but this does not mean that they have any affinity with or affiliation to Britain. Thus who quote opinion polls should keep this in mind. The referendum to decide Scotland's future in 2014 will have far-reaching implications for the configuration of the UK, and effectively will throw the constitutional cat among the pigeons.
@ToryTory, NI does not have the criteria to be a "home nation" unlike Scotland(which will more than likely be independent by 2014) or Wales. The two parts of Ireland can ill-afford to be pulling against each-other in terms of economics, social cohesion and practical politics. Both are in dire straits economically and an UI makes sense socially, economically and politically. Some elements with protestant unionism may threaten a backlash against a movement in this direction, but as politics progress in Ireland as a whole, it probably will be the last kick of a dying mule.
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Gearoid4 | Oct 15, 2012, 01:50 PM EDT
Seamus60 has put his finger on the main reason(economic) why nationalists at the moment are holding their consent for a United Ireland but this does not mean that they have any affinity with or affiliation to Britain. Thus who quote opinion polls should keep this in mind. The referendum to decide Scotland's future will have far-reaching implications for the configuration of the UK, and effectively will throw the constitutional cat among the pigeons.
@ToryTory,
NI is no more a "home nation" than northern
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seamus60 | Oct 15, 2012, 09:13 AM EDT
The whole subject of reunification has lost momentem due to one single fact. Economics. All of the people are more worried about getting the food on the table and shoes on the childrens feet. A sign of the times to come as the new world order gets its teeth into all of us. Keep the wee man busy on issues around him and he`ll miss whats really going on.
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TayandCake | Oct 15, 2012, 08:11 AM EDT
there may be nothing left to unite in 30 years
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ToryTory | Oct 15, 2012, 08:00 AM EDT
British rule? What cobblers. NI has a devolved assembly just like the rest of the constituent parts of the UK, barring England. There is no 'yoke of authority'; NI, as a home nation, has a democratic will just as much as Wales or Scotland. Yes yes, 'Republic', we're all aware of the changing demographics - but this is moot. Surveys of the last half a decade have a showed a leveling, and then an increase, of support for the Union amongst Catholics. The supposed demographic transformation that has been touted by republicans hasn't really materialised. You're also massively over egging Protestant affiliation towards Sinn Fein: of Catholics & Protestants, the Protestants are the most emphatic pro-union denomination, succeeding even Catholic preference for unification.
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Realist | Oct 15, 2012, 07:58 AM EDT
ForTheRepublic!: Why do you see the constitutional status of Northern Ireland in terms of a naive sectarian head count? I suggest you read the post below by ToryTory - his comment is based on facts available in the public domain for some time. Also, would you please provide the names of just 5 "former Unionists" who joined Sinn Fein in the last 5 years? The only "white elephant" that springs to mind for me is Billy Leonard - he joined Sinn Fein in 2004 but left in 2011.
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ForTheRepublic! | Oct 15, 2012, 07:27 AM EDT
Some good points but for the people saying that the North of Ireland will remain under British rule consider this...four of the six counties that make up the North of Ireland are majority Catholic while only two counties are majority Protestant. Yes the two counties that are majority Protestant have bigger populations than the rest so they are a slight majority but it is predicted over the coming decades that Catholics will become the majority of the North of Ireland and only a matter of time before we see a united Ireland. Irish culture and nationalism are growing stronger in the North and the old unionist view of the south being a country ruled by the Catholic church is now fading as the North and South are both modern secular and both enjoy western culture. Hell we even have Protestants and former unionists joining Sinn Fein in recent years, who would have predicted that in the past!
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ToryTory | Oct 15, 2012, 07:09 AM EDT
Where's the substance? This is mere rhetoric to pander to an American audience. There's absolutely no evidence whatsoever an increasing appetite for unification in NI. On the contrary, polls suggest a leveling of support for unification amongst Catholics. The most recent poll from last year put the figure at 73% for those wishing to remain a part of the Union (Catholic & Protestant alike). The fastest growing identity in Ireland, since 2000, is 'Northern Irish'. NI is laying the groundwork for a post-sectarian home nation of the UK. To be blunt, it's more likely Ireland will rejoin the Union than NI seceding to join the ROI.
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IrelandNorth | Oct 15, 2012, 06:29 AM EDT
Geopgraphy-of-scale predicates politics! The most amicable compromise is a provincially devolved island of Ireland, mutually associated with a devolved island of Great Britain. Associate membership of the Commonwealth of Nations might well prove to be the cultural safety net that Ulster unionists need to encourage them to walk the constitutional tightrope into a united Ireland. For how can a unionist party be democratic about a neo-provincial statlet which was the very antithesis of democracy - ie gerrymandered? How can a unionist party name itself after a province, 3 of whose counties they rejected for being too Catholic? How can one be a true unionist when the union they seek to uphold was brought about by the constitutional sleight-of-hand of bribes and peerages. True democracy is inconsistent with imperialism. The currently constituted UK (sic) is not unlike the Titanic whose over tightened hot rivets caused its catastrophic demise. Sometimes it makes sense to loosen the constitutional screws. And with recent oil finds in the Irish Sea, we may well be able to afford a united Ireland. Unless the banksters and political cronyism sabotage a nation once again.
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IrelandNorth | Oct 15, 2012, 06:09 AM EDT
Could Taoiseach Ó Cíonnaith's constitutional prevarication be a case of England's opportunity being Ireland's difficulty? With the involuntarily United (sic) Kingdom currently negotiating constitutional downsizing and rationalisation, Kenny is understandably resistant to Cameron's proposed debt transfer of Ulster's subsidy given the state of the 26 county proto-republic's economy apres the banksters! Ex-British Prime Minister Sir Edward Lord Heath allegedly 'threatened' Taoiseach Seamus Ó Loingsigh with a united Ireland in the early 1970s, (as Sir Winston Lord Churchill did during The Emergency of WWII - if Ireland didn't enter the war effort on the side of the allies). De Valera (devil Éire?) declined the dreary spires of Fermanagh and Tyrone then. And Kenny seems a tad reluctant now. Anglo-Irish British peer Lord Palmerston's quote is apposite: "England has neither eternal friends nor eternal enemies. She only has eternal interests!" When it comes to shovelling endless subsidies into the bottomless pit of Irish partitionism, the British Exchequer will almost assuredly act in the eternal interests of the tax free off-shore investments of their political elite in the Caymen Islands.
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IrelandNorth | Oct 15, 2012, 05:32 AM EDT
Ireland isn't two countries - Taoiseach! It's one country artificially divided by dint of historical peculiarities. Unless by two countries he means the currently constituted involuntarily United (sic) Kingdom of Great Britain (England & Wales and Scotland) and Northern[ised] Ireland. Long fingering unity Irish isn't prudent. This decade of centenaries is opportune, with absolute deadline by 2022.
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jacersagain | Oct 14, 2012, 11:10 PM EDT
(…more) Any Nth Ireland person of closed and sworn biblical-thinking Scottish descendency needs only to look at themselves in the mirror to see the marks and promontories of in-breeding, and, sadly, of mental illness arising out of it. That is what the future whole of Ireland has to look at and see in a whole new light of the goodness of God’s gift to understanding. Scotland is right to seek independence from the Queen of England’s dominion, like Ireland did over many hundreds of yrs and struck a final strike almost 100 yrs ago. What the anti-UK, Dutch-religion believing people of Scotland and their fellow anti- Irish UK-stickies decide on is a matter for, not just themselves, but for everybody. Look at yourselves in the mirror. Like our Taoiseach Kenny says, United, Ireland will become. Eventually. How our good neighbours in the Nth of Ireland respond is a mass responsibility of themselves, of themselves alone, of them being, in Irish, "Sinn Féin".
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jacersagain | Oct 14, 2012, 11:02 PM EDT
(…more) The population of Scotland (5 Mln) will be immeasurably enhanced by about 1.5 Mln Nth Irl Scottish descendants with their mass arrival back into Scotland and will be rewarded financially, hugely worth their uprooting efforts through the rewards of a future Govt of Scotland will offer them in the country of their original family’s right of inheritance. *excuse me while I have slight cough* - Their UK’s Majesty’s govt is not incapable of the mass organisation of mass repatriation, same as for its non-inability to repatriate Caribbean, Indian, Pakistani, Australian, New Zealand and other UK ex-imperial bleeders oftheirempire. I believe it will be to the UK’s benefit, if they’re smart enough. ...Arrgh, that’s not going to be possible for Nth Ireland or Scottish people – they’ve been sexually abusing and in-breeding with each other for too long. As a proof, as in other European in-bred communities, I offer that you just look, on Nth Irl TV news presenters and, if you take time out to watch and study as I have, in the shopping streets you walk through, at their Nth Irl population’s close-nosed cross eyes, just for starters (as a charitable exercise, let’s not mention other in-bred factors). (more…)
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