Dissident IRA shoot dead a Northern Irish prison officer on highway - VIDEO

seamus60: I have made no claims about expression or non expression of anything....these are the words of Mr Hewson regarding another pointless act of terrorist violence which sees its 25th anniversary this week. I have no doubt that you "couldn't give a fiddler's elbow for U2" or, indeed, David Black and his grieving family....that is clear.

seamus60: My friend, I have simply asked you to substantiate your claims, regarding Mr Justice Treacy, with evidence. You seem either unwilling or unable to do this. Will you back up your statements, as I have, or will you continue to obfuscate?

Realist, I couldn`t give a fiddlers elbow for U2 of any of its overated members. Again who on this thread has expressed glory at officer Blacks death ?

Realist. I`ve better things to do with my time than get you accept the REALITY as with Marian Price. It has been one spectacle after another since her arrest, with too many for me to go into yet again. It has turned into a running soap between the legal system and the state. Treacy being the latest to pass the too hot to hold potatoe. Even schoolboys have got the jist. Why can`t you ?

Seamus - They had a say in amending the Constitution and the GFA...

curtisjohnson: "The most egregious strip searches would occur when a gang of british male guards would strip and sexually assault female indigenous prisoners. This occurred regularly at one time although it's current usage is uncertain." Would you please provide a primary source for or corroborating evidence to substantiate that claim?

"In its evidence, the Prison Service stated that during a full body search the prisoner is at no time required to be completely naked, nor is there any physical contact between staff and prisoner during the search. The process is normally over in minutes. The Prison Service also stated that the policy and procedure is analogous to that applied throughout the United Kingdom and the search methodology applied by the NI Prison Service is less intrusive than that applied in England and Wales and the Republic of Ireland."

curtisjohnson: I refer you to my previous comment....In response to a challenge to the policy and practices of the NI Prison Service brought by prisoner Brendan Conway, "Mr Justice Treacy, sitting on Thursday 5th May 2011 in the High Court, ruled that the routine full body searching of prisoners on each occasion when they enter or leave the prison is lawful. He also found that the policy of forcible full body searching of non-compliant prisoners is lawful and not incompatible with the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR)."

seamus60: Your comments about Seamus Treacy are schoolboy speculation....trying to make inconvenient facts fit some Mickey Mouse narrative. Yet again, you cannot substantiate this with any sort of hard evidence. By the way, the intervention of the Secretary of State with regard to Marian Price was perfectly legal when he revoked her release from prison on licence. He (Owen Paterson) said the decision was made because the threat posed by Price had "significantly increased". If he, based on the intelligence he receives from the various security agencies, believes this to be true, then it is his duty to act....and he did.

seamus60: Those are the words of Paul Hewson of the band U2. He made that speech shortly after the Provisional IRA's Enniskillen Remembrance Day Massacre in November 1987....25 years ago this week. I thought it was apposite and focused attention on the evil futility of the murder and murderers of David Black....those you refuse to condemn.

What Glory has anyone expressed here ?

"What's the glory... in taking a man from his bed, and gunning him down in front of his wife and his children? Where's the glory in that? Where's the glory in bombing a remembrance day parade of old-age pensioners, their medals taken out and polished up for the day? Where's the glory in that? To leave them dying.... or crippled for life... or dead... under the rubble... of a revolution... that the majority of the people in my country don't want."

IrelandNorth: You don't like what you read here, have no credible retort to it, and this upsets you....I understand. Your solution seems to be violence and murder and you condone those like David Black's murderers who carry this out. Your rhetoric is worn out and discredited, and the arguments that it stems from were lost years ago. What do you have to offer? Murdering people like Ronan Kerr, Stephen Carrol, and David Black because you did not get what you want? Is that it? Well, the people, North and South of the border do not want that....they have rejected it....and quite right too.

I note some propagandists below equate republicanism with criminality? Both the Irish Government proper and Northern Ireland Assembly grant-aided the Orange Order to the tune of €0.5m each, topped up by €3m from European Federal Government on the mainland. (A sovereignty transfer from London to Dublin and Belfast via Brussels and Berlin, doing financially what they intend doing politically). The "Dublin Government" doesn't just rule the Irish capitol city but the 26 counties also. The territorial claim in Articles 2 & 3 of Búnreacht na h'Éireann/Constitution of Ireland, 1937 (as amended) substituted them by reference to the "Island of Ireland" preserving national integrity while moving from concepts of nations as people rather than territory. To what extent is it possible to be democratic in a neo-provincial statlet or an imposed monarchy which were/are antithetical to it? Condemnation is ego-centric and hasn't advanced peace. To understand all is to forgive all! A minister of religion who refers to "... murdering thugs and bloodthirsty criminals" (however understandable in highly emotive circustances) is hardly using the language of Christ. More that of a burning bush. 26 county Criminal Justice System put at disposal of Police Service of Northern Ireland. A united Ireland with greater 26 joining lesser 6? Senior judicial figures are not levitating buddah's. They officially pronounce on laws made by the dead for the living on the common law of an imperial power. Just legalistic dogma not pithy metaphysical insights. QC taking oath the constitutionality of which they subsequently challenge? "Terrorism" isn't/wan't confinded to republican paramilitaries. Why were the B-Specials/RUC and UDR disbanded by British Government?

Dano, when have all the people of Ireland had a say on changing the Proclamation ?. Something Adams and Co had responsability for and shunned it to their own and the brits gain.