Did anti-Catholic sentiment of Titanic workforce help doom the unsinkable ship?

Allan, the Irish do not play the victims. Show me one Irish person who plays the victim? I have yet to meet one. You obviously dont know any of us. I was asked today by a group of Italian students and a token American student who was with them, why dont the Irish hate the English? They saw the film Michael Collins last week and I took them on a tour of the city today. I told them that why would we? They didnt do anything to us? Many of those who did were dead so why would we hate their ancestors? The majority of Irish people under the age of 50 have English friends so why would we hate them?

Seriously, who writes this sh1t?

@curitiba the assumption you start of with is silly. Quote "If Ireland was responsible for displacing the natives, the USA would be an Irish-speaking state". Unquote. How silly is that of a statement. The Irish spoke English just like today. In fact within the IrishCentral news it stated that today Irish is the third spoke language behind Polish and way out by a million miles is English. The Irish language is less spoken today in Ireland than Polish. Examine the figures for yourself. No I didnt make them up nor did the British. The Irish who emigrated 200 years ago spoke English. Today they do the same. (Albeit a few speak Irish, a small percentage and most speak pigeon Irish). The Irish always are experts at playing the victims and looking for sympathy. Sad but true. They may blame others (the British) but they took as much per head as anyone else. Tells face it Tullow Oil (an Irish Oil company) is not taking Oil from Ghana in Africa today for the good of the Africian people. Its called capitalism. Even the chinese are doing the same.

All true, Dan. the point I was trying to make is that the USA was initially settled by the British and their descendents. Of course others had an input into that, but the British culture and people had the largest input into that part of America in those early days.

You've got some cheek allan. NI is almost entirely funded from Westminster. You say you know about economics, surely you should know that. Of course I'm not denying Ireland got loads from Europe, but you are in denial about the amount of loot NI has had from England. NI couldn't survive without it, so you're in no position to criticise the South. NI is in exactly the same position, but it has a generous benefactor who unquestioningly hands over the money, whereas Ireland has to go begging to Europe. Both British and Irish troublemakers and criminals WERE sentenced to transportation to the 13 colonies, before independence. The British had to look to alternative destinations for their prisoners afterwards, which is why they initially set up Australia as a penal colony.

@IrelandNorth is that you again. Your state your half a catholic. Rubbish. You also state your a elder in the Presbyternian Church. Dont tell me your a rabbi, a muslim cleric and lay preacher as well. You dont half tell them. Make them believeable at least. Stop quoting the bible and making reference to passages of religious importance. Please dont continue to tell lies. Its one of those 10 commandments.I am sick of your religious C**p.

@curitiba I dont think it was british forced the irish to leave ireland and go on the titanic. They did it of their accord. I dont think no-one forced them to head for California when the gold rush happened. Didn't they go to gain financially? I think its called greed. The Irish were not prisoners in America. The slave trade was created by taking black people from Africa and these were the slaves. The Irish certainly gained out of stealing the land from the natives of North America. So why are the Irish invading others countries today if its all so wrong to do so. Dont tell me the British are forcing them to do it. Your a right plonker who is bitter and twisted. Read history but dont twist it. The british and the rest of Europe is bailing out the failed state called the Free State. Its time to stand on your own two feet and stop looking for a scape goat. Typical nationalist inacurrate propaganda.

Curitiba – not quite the full story …The 1763 Proclamation Line required that all lands within the "Indian territory" occupied by Englishmen were to be abandoned. By this proclamation the King of England sided with the Indians, against the perceived interests of the settlers. Moreover, it provided, and Parliament soon after executed, British royal posts along the proclamation boundary knowing that the colonists would not respect the boundary without some enforcement mechanism. These were all swept away on independence, which was for only 13 colonies (later states). So most of the displacement was by an independent USA…Oh, and I think the French and Spanish may have had an input…

Just another instance of how hegemony of one particular group to the detriment of another can be maintained by control of the economy and and state institutions, not because that group is intrinsically superior to the other (although they may come to believe that). Control that is bestowed upon them by their powerful kinsfolk overseas. Just like the Alawites in Syria.

Sorry, allan you're wrong as usual. It was the BRITISH who took the land from the Native Americans, not the Irish. Any Irish who emigrated to America or ended up there as prisoners did did so courtesy of the British. If Ireland was responsible for displacing the natives, the the USA would be an Irish language-speaking state. I take it history is not your strong point?

That Roman Catholics were not knowingly employed by Harland and Wolff is fact-the rest of the Kerry O'Shea's piece is utter nonsense! Yet another of IC's occasional space fillers for a slow day?

The whole NO-POPE thing is complete myth, the Titanic's hull number was not 3909-04. Plus if, as you claim, the shipyard was "entirely protestant" then how could they discriminate against their fellow catholic workers if there were none? No doubt though catholics were discriminated against. During W.W.I. protestant workers went off to fight in Europe and their jobs given to catholics. After the Great War had ended returning soldiers were re-instated in the yard and the catholics removed.

Just on an historical point of information. The neo-provincial statelet of Northern Ireland (NI) (sic) didn't officially exist in 1912, though undoubtedly was being forged in the characteristically defensive minds of Ulster-Scot Planters, given its aversion of spread of Irish democracy through the Home Rule Bill in the British House of Commons. Presuming the Titanic was insured, a euphemistically titled "Act of God" beloved of insurance companies to minimise liability would have negatived its policy. An iceberg may have sunk her, but no doubt God was seen running away afterwards. I'm surprised Ulster (sic) unionists haven't blamed the IRA for planting a bomb on it. The essential distinction between Irish emigrants and Ulster-Scot planters in a consequently troubled part of Ireland is that the former don't insist on their host countries being a part of Ireland.

@warrenpoint00 by your logic if the only people that should exist in a country is the so called natives. How is Irish in North America? That land belonged to the Red Indians for 10,000 years. So your argument is dead in the water. The Irish have stolen the land of native Red Indians which the claim you make about the British stealing Ireland assets. Why is there Irish in Glasgow, Liverpool, Manchester or London. In fact there more Irish who live outside Ireland than within Ireland. Nationalist propaganda. Why are all the school leaving today to head for Australia. (It belongs to the Aborigines). If Ireland is so great why not live within your own borders? Because its bankrupt and borrowing from Britain to the tune of 8 billion Euros. Take of those green tinted glasses! Get real.

I'm open minded to the lengths bigotry can and has lead to. This is not one of them.