Diary of an intern - ten things I learned at IrishCentral

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Ha Ha.No Creaky I have got you again.I told you I got it from Wiki.I just pasted it ha ha ha.So that's three people to just lonely you on the interpretation.I was chuckling away and my beautiful wife asked me what I was laughing about.I showed her.She said are they all that stupid ha ha.After that faux pas of yours Jordana knows what part of Ireland she will live in.I knew you were going to "cut n'run" because I could feel the annoyance as I started cornering ya on the Irish language.By the way you will check back and when you do I'll be right again ha ha.

Splutterer@ Nothing you attest now can erase the fact of what you contested! I 'cut and pasted' your very OWN words! - Nobody can be accused of wilfully misunderstanding or altering them in any way! Be a man - just accept that what you wrote is not correct, and you made a 'pigs ear' of it. We'd think the better of you for it! ~~~ There is no shame in your ignorance - only your refusal to eradicate it! Apart from that, we are greatly amused by your Gradation System. ~Pure efFLUENT! (S'long,now: Towngate has left this thread.Bye!)

Creaky.Now YOU said and I quote"If there are 400,000 FLUENT Irish Language speakers in Ireland - I'll eat me "Oul' Skillara"!I SAID.There was an estimated (400,000 ) of the population of the Republic who would be CLASSIFIED as fluent, near fluent or reasonably good passive speakers.That means you have 400,000 in which SOME are fluent~SOME are near fluent and~SOME are reasonably good passive speakers.Put them all together and they make up 400,000.I never said 400,000 were fluent.I'm not going to comment on the rest because I want this cleared up.You do know there is a difference between a fluent Irish speaker (which is extremely good at speaking Irish and reasonably good passive speakers (which means they can hold a basic simple conversation)How is that saying there are 400,000 FLUENT Irish speakers?? If you misunderstand it fair enough.It's easy to misread something or misunderstand something. I'll wait for your reply.

Psssst,Splut! ~ just between ourselves ~ as nobody else is paying attention ~ Lets' 'cut and paste' Your: """"Well according to a little research i did there an estimated (400,000 ) of the population of the Republic who would be classified as fluent, near fluent or reasonably good passive speakers.""" Followed below by: Your: """I never said there was 400,000 FLUENT Irish speakers.""" Now,Splut, that is just plain silly at best and apallingly moronic at worst! ~ You are condemned by your own words! ~ as a fantasist! ~ and a liar! ~ so I rest my case M'lud! ~ ~ ~ However, much worse than this is your own astonishing admission of intransigent bigotry with regard to all matters Irish, as if you were the sole authority on the subject! You are not any kind of authority on anything, me old mate! You can imagine or pretend you are some kind of Crusader like 'Superbogman!' or something, defending our country from people who have opinions different from your own. Just don't ever think your 'powers' are real or forget it is a game you've invented to amuse yourself. ~~~ You accuse this Site of being " a den ... of personal opinions " amongst other things ~ Finally, you state Quote: """exposing false information is my job on IC """. I'll put this gently to you for your own sake: Listen, old chap. Get over it. You do not have job on IrishCentral. You are invited to comment on Posted Articles,the Same as the rest of us, that's all! ~~~ Cheers!.

Ah Creaky!!.Sure whats the point of me educating everyone on IC if I can't point out the error's of their way of thinking.I'm only the messenger of truth and fact and all backed up by many scholars.See Creaky I'm able to read and if you notice I never said there was 400,000 FLUENT Irish speakers.That's making me out to be spreading false information and exposing false information is my job on IC.Call me SirPeter the crusader.I think you should read that part again.I will say it was Wikipedia I got the info and I always check with as many sources as I can find.I will explore this further.Facts are facts and truth is truth and I have nothing to gain by wishful thinking.I think you are been a bit harsh calling all those teachers fanatics.There are English teachers in England who love the English language and English literature.Would you call them fanatics?Do they not teach their children to love and respect the English language and English literature?.This site is a den of lies and half-truths and personal opinions and down right bigotry.I'm going to be here a long time because I see this site as an enjoyable opportunity to take apart these opinions bit by bit and if necessary the individual behind them if they persist and ignore a challenge to their oft-times anti-Irish opinion .I only expect a reasonable approach and I'll be the first to admit if I'm wrong.For me there is no lets agree to disagree not when it comes to my Country,my Culture and my History.Because the falsehood is out there and has to be challenged to the end.BUT if this was an English forum and I put out derogatory comments and misinformation.I would have no problem to agree to disagree.My derogatory comments and misinformation would be already out there and so my opinion is cast for all to read.See where I'm coming from?

Splut: If there are 400,000 fluent Irish Language speakers in Ireland - I'll eat me "Oul' Skillara"! You are thinking a little wishfully,old chap! - as they might say. ~ ~ I am fully aware of 'An Gaelscoileanna' and the Irish-speaking enclaves and the language fanatics within them. ~~~ As for Mister Pearse 'igniting a powder-keg which blew the 'Brits' out of Ireland!' ~ He did no such thing! His little undemocratic and unsupported treasonous disaster usurped the democratic Progress of the Home Rule Bill through the British Parliament in London and the elected Irish Parliament in Dublin. ~ He loved his countrymen so much he and his plotters chose not to face the Irish Electorate. ~~ I do agree if the Dublin Metropolitan Police had any idea of how shambolic the 'rebels' were they might have been able to 'have a stern word' with the leaders and told them to stop acting the maggot,clipped their ears and sent them home before someone got hurt! That would have been better for everyone. ~ The British didn't leave (part of the island) finally until 32 years later....and with the current NI situation, you can bet that the fuse is so slow and wet it will be a long time before it(ever)reaches the powder-keg! ~ I will never deny Patrick's personal courage, and I like the Bust of him in front of his home and Estate that he KNEW he would never see again. We will just have to agree to disagree about this, me old segotia, and respectfully leave it as it is and let yeh het back to yer cards. Deal?

Creaky.Welsh made a come back in wales.I think you are wrong there with your fifty thousand enthusiasts.You say only 1% of Irish can speak any of it.Well according to a little research i did there an estimated (400,000 ) of the population of the Republic who would be classified as fluent, near fluent or reasonably good passive speakers.I'd be inclined to agree with that.I play cards with 6 guys and one night we decided to speak Irish for a while for a laugh.Myself and an Irish teacher are fluent,but the other guys said no way could they speak it.But what surprised those guys was how much Irish they really had just under the surface.By the end of the night they had made huge progress.It's just not practiced more in my opinion.My own grandparents on both sides had no Irish at all.I think you are forgetting about the Gaelscoileanna.There are now 600 Irish-language primary/secondary schools in Ireland and they have got very popular.50,000 may speak it as their first language and that's rising slightly.But I know loads of kids who can switch from one to the other no problem.Been bi-lingual is good enough.I consider it my native language anyway and would type it here all the time if i could.As for Patrick getting in trouble with the Authorities.I think the authorities wished they had just given him just a slap on the wrist.He ignited the powder keg that blew the Brits out of most of Ireland didn't he.Erra the Brits only ever cared about themselves weather you believe it or not.We are well rid.It never worked.

Splut: No. I have no animosity towards anything ~ or anyone! Especially not any language - as they have been so kind to me by helping me earn a crust - but to describe Irish/Gaelic as "...our native tongue " is weird. The native tongue of Ireland is English. 'Irish' is an ancient disparate language whose natural slide towards oblivion is only halted by some fifty thousand enthusiasts and barely clings to its status as an Official language at all by dint of the Governments insistance on bi-lingual Official State Documents. Otherwise ....... kaput! Only one percent of Irish can speak any of it. ~ Brendan Behan suggested banning it! ~ his idea being that the Irish are so bloody-minded,anti 'the Government' and contrary, they would speak nothing else and the ancient language would sweep the country overnight.! ~ ~ ~ I often wonder if Patrick Pearse had written and sigedn all his Unconditional Surrenders in Irish, if that wouldn't have bought enough time for the rest of the country ~ asleep in their beds ~ to come to Dublin and help him out of the spot of bother he found himself in with the Authorities! ~ Btw: only one of the six books of his complete writings, which I posess, is written in Gaelic! He expounded lots of ideal for a perfect Gael - ic Ireland - by making them all speak Gaelic was nowhere near the top of his list! ~ ~ ~ Poor Jordana! If you are now slowly folding your notebook and putting it in your 'purse' (US Diriv.of European 'Handbag'. A 'purse' being a small pouch with a metal fastener containing money, and carried in the Handbag!) and walking slowly away ... I don't blame you! 'Ireland' is a Gordian Knot that cannot be untied or even cleft in twain! Best not bother!

Believe me I have 3 teenagers,one almost,all female in the house and most of the time they use irresistible female tactics to get what they want.I know at this stage that their softly softly kissy kissy approach is going to cost me at least €20.No man can resist that.It's more tyranny I could use.They know exactly how long it takes to ware a man down in order to get what they want.So far anyway my childrearing methods have been a success or so I have been told.If kids only cost you money and not grey hair I'm doing ok.Anyway I get the feeling you have a certain amount of animosity to our native tongue.Why would that be?Do you not think we would be that much poorer in our culture if it was gone? Jordana is getting all excited because there is 46 comments to her article.I'm not sure does she realise we are only here because the riff-raff have abandoned it.ha ha.Now she is despairing.ha ha

Interesting but too much information about your tryannical household and childrearing methods. Mind you, they are all female,so that might make a difference. ~ Perhaps my 'tea-girl' who got fired, might have understood the importance of obedience is she had been brought up like that. ~~~~~ Now then,you may 'bring on' " An Tailibhain na Gael" if you like; but I stick to 'Patrick'. The Irish/Gaelic form "Pádraig" should only be used when writing or speaking in that language. ~ They should write is as he did: "Pádraig Mic Piarais". So until we reach that level of 'purist' enforcement, I leave 'An Táilibhíní" to mumble and stutter their divisive gibberish to each other as they huddle in their caves, whilst the intrepid but very confused Jordana stands there with a blank notebook and a despairing look on her face! ~

Oh Creaky.The Gaelic Taliban wouldn't be happy with you at all.They insist on the fada.Somehow I don't think he will mind if you call him Patrick at this stage,but him been a school teacher I'd reckon he would say "Tuair dom do Liámh" if you left out the fada.That's the trouble with young people these days Creaky they have to much attitude and are only half-baked.I have always treated my kids with respect and they are maturing nicely.But there has been a few times when I had to say.This house is not a democracy and we are not equal and remember when you go out to work it's not a democracy there either ha ha.Another one I have often used if they start getting uppity for a bit of shock treatment and it makes kids sit up a bit"I say,Don't argue with me like I'm your friend.I am not your friend and I will never be your friend,friends come and go,I am your father and always will be,that's way above friends,the only person above me is God.ha ha..They enjoy that but the message get across at the same time..lol

C'splut: I chose to leave the 'fada' aside to assist it on its way to obscurity...and also I prefer to use the name Pearse's English father give him. He was called 'Pat' by his family. The Gael-ification came with his notions of upperosity.My deliberate mispelling of 'ideological'was obviously a nuance too far. ~~~ You have no need of instructing Jordana to bring refreshments to me as I am well catered for,thank you. It reminds me, though, of a young lady who was instructed to do exactly that and she obviously felt embarrassed by such a menial task. I told her she didn't have to demean herself and not to bother. I thought I was sparing her feelings but next thing I learned was; she got fired for disobeying the boss. I often wonder what happened to her. I hope she recovered and didn't turn out bitter and twisted and at war with the world!!

Jordana feel free to join us.While you are listening and learning be a good girl and throw on a pot of tea and break open a few biscuits for myself and Creaky.Don't take it as some male chauvinist insult.But as a first step to acceptance that you might at some stage be the best writer on IC.When you get beyond the excitement that we abbreviate counties with Co ect.Which is all very not interesting to Irish people.When your intellect is more refined to the mind-boggling confusing complexities and genius of the Irish nation.We'll make you a cup of tea then because you'll need it.

Creaky.I'd like to read those on Pádraig Pearse.Do you know how to put the fada over a letter?Not been smart or anything just thought it might be handy for anybody who wishes to do so.(press Ctrl-Alt and then the letter a or e ect.)Anyway leaving that a side.This is the problem with IC as I see it.Most of the articles on history and current affairs are at foundation level which basically doesn't give any understanding at all.Take Pearse as an example and you are correct in his extremist views.To many Irishmen he was a hero,a nationalist,Poet and died fighting for Irish freedom.This is all true.But to other Irishmen with British leanings he was a militant extremist with idealogical extremist views and was a threat.This is also true.Foundation level Irish history,the way it is thought tends to polarize each different idealogical Irishman into different camps which is why there is almost no consensus on anything.Another example where foundation level Irish history screws things up is the fact that during the "famine" the British wanted to starve the Irish poor.That wasn't the case at all.It was the majority of the Irish protestant landlord class who have to shoulder most of the responibilty.They had a justifiably bad name because they spent most of their time in England living it up and were a bunch of drunken,slobbering,idiots who were known for their mismanagement of their estates in Ireland.That's why there was so little help from England.The English political thought of the day was to let the Irish landlord class stew in it.But as a consequence of that a million Irish starved.