Clintons called out for signing the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996
New York Times’ columnist thinks it’s time they apologize
Published Monday, December 3, 2012, 7:46 AM
Updated Monday, December 3, 2012, 9:49 AM
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Eschetic | Dec 03, 2012, 06:24 PM EST
Unlike "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" which was simply a craven collapse - even those of us who view the DOMA as the last gasp of bigots (Dumb Old Muddled A**s) who refuse to recognize that marriage equality was successfully litigated over 40 years ago with Loving vs. Virginia might cut the Clintons a little slack. It was almost 20 years ago, the Clintons were southern politicians (a major reason I will not support a pol from the old Confederacy for the foreseeable future), and we had not educated them that this is NOT an issue having ANYTHING to do with religion. Marriage Equality (NOT "Gay Marriage") has to do with CIVIL marriage and the equality of all citizens before the law for the greater stability of society. The right wing, of course, want to destabilize "non-traditional" relationships to fit their per-conceptions and spread AIDS, but the country and the new generation have both moved beyond them. What Bill Clinton mistakenly thought he had to do THEN and what he or Hillary WOULD do now are two different things and those who don't want to roll back the clock to the bad old Nixon/Reagan/"W" Days, need to focus on where we are now!
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mairint | Dec 03, 2012, 05:51 PM EST
Bruni obviously is on the one track tack - as if homosexuals cannot have 'benefits' -rubbish. Anyone can make a contract and inherit from each other etc., same gender folk have more benefits that married couples in all sorts of ways. The demand for 'marriage' is just that they want everything to be the same when it cannot. It is physically impossible. Their demand is against nature itself. A Mom and Dad is the natural and best for every child and it is this that decides. Children are a gift in the marital loving relationship between a husband and wife. Children deserve the best. They are not a market commodity to be messed about with. Marriage is not the property of any government to play with. It has been around since long before governments came in to existence. No one will ever change that reality, even if words are changed. In the same gender market it is "I want, I want..." In natural marriage there is give, give, all the time and in this way the spouses receive...
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Renelda M. | Dec 03, 2012, 04:44 PM EST
The only saving grace for Hillary Clinton is to stand with theDOMA and against same-sex marriage.
Please let there be one politician with guts, and ideals and scruples. But, alas. I fear Hillary has beocme too tough and seasoned a politician to have those aforementioned qulaties. She's too busy being one of the boys. Staying in an immoral marriage doesn't help her image or send forth a philosophy of scruples anad ideals.
Being SOS brought out the real Hillary. No thanks for President. She's too, way too. political.
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alisaann | Dec 03, 2012, 04:23 PM EST
i AGREE, it was a HUGE mistake for bill clinton to sign DOMA into law, just as it was a HUGE MISTAKE for him to have signed DADT into law...and he DID support the REPEAL of DADT...and if it's TRUE, he feels that DOMA should be WIPED from the books....then GREAT.....while i like the clintons, i haven't always AGREED with some things they've done.
alisa
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irishpjk | Dec 03, 2012, 04:11 PM EST
wtf. Who believes Bill Clinton ever took the word marriage seriously? I guess maybe a fool or two here and there did.
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feeneycj | Dec 03, 2012, 02:46 PM EST
I agree with the previous comment. The Bible is not the Declaration of Independence.
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hollabackgurl | Dec 03, 2012, 11:15 AM EST
'Tracy' you don't have any gay 'friends.' You oppose their right to form legal unions with all the rights and entitlements of marriage. That's not a 'belief' by the way, that's irrational bigotry.
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misneac | Dec 03, 2012, 10:26 AM EST
An amazing presumption by the
likes of "hollabackgurl " and
others that the American
Constitution has the same standing and authority as the Bible ,and all the accepted standards of natural law ! There is no such entity as same-sex "marriage " ,and the gays and their supporters should shut up and obey the law !
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Tracy | Dec 03, 2012, 10:25 AM EST
Opposing same sex marriage is not synonymous with opposing gay rights. You assume incorrectly "hollabackgurl" . I have many good friends who are gay. Don't jump to conclusions just because someone doesn't share your beliefs. I don't believe Clinton was wrong to sign DOMA, and if he chooses to remain silent on the subject that is his choice. I stand by my comment as it is the truth.
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hollabackgurl | Dec 03, 2012, 09:45 AM EST
I'm not sure if you participated in the recent general election 'Tracy' but you failed to notice that in every state that put gay marriage equality to the ballot they succeeded in securing victory for gay rights. I don't know why you're 'against' permitting equality to gay people since it's obvious they are entirely absent from your life. Clinton was wrong to sign DOMA and DADT and he must act to right those historic wrongs now.
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Tracy | Dec 03, 2012, 09:39 AM EST
I absolutely disagree with Bruni. As a Catholic Democrat from NY, I am against same sex marriage, as are many in the party. This legislation was pushed through and made law by Cuomo and as the recent election proved, go against your constituents and you will not be re-elected. As in the case of senator McDonald.
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handsome68 | Dec 03, 2012, 08:19 AM EST
Many of youse liberal omadhauns don't seem to realize that the Bible is not, e.g., the American Declaration of Independence, with amendments to the latter.
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