Church abuse scandal not cause by celibacy says study

Well put, proudirishlass! We have come a long way, considering most people no longer accept the Church's ridiculous dogma, regarding human sexuality! As far as "removing the collar", that is one idea. A better one would be to allow priests to go out with women, and eventually marry one! Yes, they should be permitted to date women from their own parish, so long as no "heavy duty" counseling has taken place. Even there, after the passage of 1-2 years, this should be okay, as the woman will no longer be in a vulnerable state of mind..

I cannot believe the lame excuses made for these low life scum of the earth pedophiles. It is quite simple they are in a position of authority and with their sick warped minds use that authority to abuse the poor innocent children. I have come to the conclusion that the priestHOOD is nothing more than a secret pedophile organization.Have you ever wondered why so many priests commit this crime? Its simple they were sick before they joined and only joined because they knew that their actions were acceptable and condoned. Parents need to wake up and not be so trusting of the church and quivering under the threat of hellfire.I honestly believe that these pedophile priests do NOT believe in GOD yet hypocritically preach to the innocent and trusting masses. Too often i hear the excuse they are only human with human needs. I beg to differ they are not human they are lower than animals. If they need sexual gratification they can remove the collar and get out into the world. Oh,but i nearly forgot they would have to give up their cushy life and work for a living.Please stop cowering down and worshiping these people that is how they feel they are above the law.

I agree mayoman makes good comments, too. Eiriamach, your comments can be so uplifting, they help me focus.

mayoman, unlike layman, they can have it always, retain their profession with all the perks, food on their plate, women to bed, populating the country at the taxpayers expense and their funerals taken care of. Oh, and I forgot, the confessional to deal with all their human weaknesses.

mayoman, I appreciate your comments too. I don't recall ever disagreeing with them! Thanks also to searlit, whose postings are always clear and to the point.

I'm happy the bishops have finally acknoowledged the large # of homosexual candidates to the priesthood. A 60 Minutes segment questioned whether the priesthood has become a "Gay Men's Club"! This being said, and not even considering pedophilia, you would think the Church would develop a more tolerant attitude towards homosexuality. How can it be hypocritical, when a significant # of its priests are gay?

I was the 1st to post yesterday, but it wasn't recorded. I said that I was skepticl. One view of what causes pedophilia is that the pedophiles had their sexuality stifled, at an early age. They then seek out those who were their contemporaries, at the time of sexual supression. I know that only a small % of homosexuals abuse abuse little boys, the same way that a small % of heterosexuals abuse little girls. Yet, the enforced celibacy, I believe, can trigger such pedophilic actions. The men studying for the priesthood have no intentions of marriage. At some point, the sexual supression may well be fought. Hopefully, the giving up of the celibacy will entail a warm, consensual relationship with a woman, not a child.

eiriamach: I much appreciate your wise and insightful comments. Thank you.

Other than the paralysis of tradition, and an innate conservativism that prevents it from changing in any meaningful way, why does the Catholic Church still insist on maintaining mandatory celibacy? Why continue with such a troublesome practice that was not part of the early Church for the first 300 years of his history?

Yes, the bishops are responsible for abusive priests. But bishops do not have replacement priests, and the Vatican keeps tight control over what the bishops can do. I've known priests who have been overworked for a long time, as this report says the abusive priests were. The priests I've known also became lonely for companionship. One left the Church when he found friendship elsewhere. As for bishops: in a 2006 newsletter, Bishop Morris of Toowoomba in Australia discussed the possibility of ordaining women and married men in order to meet the future needs of his parishes, where too few priests are seriously over-stretched. A group of conservative "temple police" wrote to the Vatican about his mentioning non-traditional priests, and after sending a "Visitation" to Toowoomba, the pope asked Bishop Morris to resign. He was handling-- handling well and fairly, according to all reports-- a sexual abuse case, so the bishop declined to leave office until his work was complete. On May 2, after he had repeatedly refused to resign, the Vatican removed Bishop Morris. Priests who are over-burdened with work have alternatives to abusing children. None of the alternatives is easy, but they are all certainly preferable to criminal child abuse. Bishops are responsible, but if they do not obey the Vatican, they are out of their jobs, so it takes real moral courage to act responsibly. Authority resides only at the top of this organization.

I've found all the discussion interesting. But like many organizations, moral cowardace has emergede overt the past 6 decades in respect to supervision and management. The pastors, monsenigeours, bishops,etc. who did not take corrective action when a cleric under their supervision committed such an awful trangression is to be held accountable. Taking corrective action was his responsibility. Yes the offeneder is responsible for his action, but after one instance, the supervising man becomes responsible as well. Anyone who has ever been a good boss or worked for a good boss knows this and could have saved the almost $2 million.

JohnShuster @12:49 raises a complex issue. Olovely is right: most pedophiles are heterosexual, but priest-abusers are a special category of pedophile that is homophobic and at the same time often homosexual! David Berger's book "Der heilige Schein: Als schwuler Theologe..." (The Holy Illusion: A Gay Theologian in the Catholic Church) explains the paradox. Young social conservatives are drawn to the priesthood by a love of authority and the beauty of the liturgy with its court-of-the-king imagery, luxurious vestments, and elaborate, all-male ceremonies. Some of these conservatives are gay. As Berger said in a Spiegel interview, "I hope that the church will at last confront the issue of homophobia. It must recognize that a large proportion of the Catholic clerics and trainee priests in Europe and the US are homosexual." He explains that gay priests sublimate their sexuality; they derive sexual gratification from lives of prayer and ritual: "This is a technique that even the Catechism of the Catholic Church seems to suggest to homosexually oriented men.... nothing reprehensible from the Church’s perspective. This has happened throughout history. Much mysticism is animated by such sublimation." As long as they sublimate, they can deny their homosexuality; they repress it because as conservatives they loathe the idea of it. They find support (& anti-Semitism, misogyny, etc.) in groups like SSPX, Legionaries of Christ, FP St. Peter, Opus Dei. But as Freud teaches, when we repress, we give the repressed desires power over us, and abuse can erupt. The Vatican has blackmailed outed gay priests to blame its sex scandals on liberal, secular influences: "you have to be anti-modern to have a career in the Catholic Church," so the cycle repeats....

Well, I'll be darned! At first the excuse wa homos and the inability to marry were blamed. Now someone with a "brain" has made a statement I can accept. It is not the fault of gays or celebit people who are abusing, it is SICK MEN AND WOMEN, It is not only in the RCC either but they botched up their approach to being honest at the outset.

It has and always will be caused by corrupt judicial systems who think that only the poor can commit crimes.

I only know of one priest, that had the reputation for likeing young boys. He was transfured. Then beaten and robbed in his own parish. Arrested on the interstate for loitering for sex. The responce from the bishop. Move him again. thay kept covering for him until his death several years ago... I was often the only decenting vote when the K of C voted him a Christmas gift...