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Ireland's Catholics see signs of hope in Irish Church crisis

Do we want the Catholic Church in Ireland to reform itself and be a voice for the poor and lonely, feed the poor, and comfort the dying? Or do we just want to get the Church out of society? Many people want the first choice.


Irish Bishops attend a mass celebrated by Vatican Secretary of State Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, background center, prior to the start of their meeting with Pope Benedict XVI at the Vatican, Monday, Fe
Irish Bishops attend a mass celebrated by Vatican Secretary of State Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, background center, prior to the start of their meeting with Pope Benedict XVI at the Vatican, Monday, Feb. 15, 2010.

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“It could happen a bishop” was the title of a book of reflections published some years back by Bishop Brendan Comiskey, and then the Diocese of Ferns imploded as a litany of abuse and abusing priests came to light — and Bishop Comiskey resigned in disgrace.

It had kept on "happening" for the Irish bishops; the story of clerical sexual abuse has rolled on and on since the early 1990s with regular head-on collisions in which a report is published detailing shameful abuse and a cover-up or a bishop is found to not have co-operated with the civil authorities.

The latest chapter in this appalling saga is the bishops returning on Ash Wednesday from their meeting with the Pope at the Vatican to a near-hysterical atmosphere accusing them and the Pope of window-dressing and participating in a sham.

In Rome, the bishops were talking about penitence and humility, about this being a step on a journey, about learning to listen to each other better and their desire to reassure victims of abuse that they are trying to finally show leadership.

Yet that message, which is I believe genuine, is being drowned out by angry voices — those of victims and priests like Peter McVerry and F.r Brian D’Arcy, who have had enough of clericalism.

The picture of bishops kissing the ring of the Pope in Rome has sent ordinary Catholics into spirals of indignation, the degree of which was once reserved for "West Brits" who might bow and scrape in an audience with the Queen of England. The Irish Catholics who once scorned the English and their Queen now have turned in almost Presbyterian zeal to jeering their spiritual monarch and his medieval customs of deference.

Many feel the papal monarchy, encased behind its high walls in Rome, doesn’t get it just as the Queen of England didn’t get it when she refused to lower her flag to half-mast on the death of Princess Diana. The key issues of a straightforward papal apology and the acceptance of resignations could have been delivered in Rome easily enough, but weren’t. They probably will come, but Rome moves slowly if deliberately.

And this I believe is the crux of the issue --to some extent, the Vatican doesn’t get the need to react to instant crises — if you’ve seen it up-close you’d know why: iI’s a civil servant bureaucracy led by elderly men who have mostly spent their years in academia or administration.

They know that once they try to play the popularity game (Pope John Paul II was the exception that proves the rule) and respond to demands of abuse victims or angry clerics, they open the floodgates and they will end up going from crisis to crisis. That is what is happening to the Irish bishops, until now.


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Stop condemning priests and bishops in words. Condemn them in action. Do not drop any cent in collection bags, baskets, or plates. These church authorities will surely feel the pinch.
I feel massively for Magdalen, ceciliag, Kathy Callahan and others who suffered clerical abuse and its after-effects and I am truly sorry that they live their lives even today still under the pain of it all. I had children (young adults today) and I know that if any of them suffered clerical abuse I would want the perpetrators punished to the full hilt of both canon and civil laws. Even after their time in jail, on their release I would want them incarcerated in an isolated monastery, lonely for the rest of their lives to reflect on the harm they’d left forever in the lonely minds of the people they hurt and hopefully find a way to atone to God for the way they belied the trust of parents and their children. ‘Heinous’ the Pope described it. For me there isn’t a word strong enough to describe this evil. My thoughts and prayers are with the people, parents and children (now adults) affected, that they may find some solace and sense of forgiveness in their lives – yes, I know it won’t be easy, perhaps never for many but some measure of it can be found, if one tries. I still have some measure of anger with the Almighty God for suddenly taking my lovely wife away from my children and me at a young age but even after the years I’m surely getting there in finding peace. I should like people who were not affected directly by such horrible events and who yet feel the anger I feel, to look at what Garry O’Sullivan is trying to say in his article. There has always got to be a new beginning for all concerned; a sense of understanding, of forgiveness, of humility is the way forward for both sides... not continuing hatred. Hatred only prolongs the pain of the affected.
You let them away with “a flicker of hope”? Tell that to the victims and ask why child abusers are still being protected by the church. Your article is an insult to the victims. Don’t you believe in justice, Garry?
There should be a separation between church and state and in education and in health care. Ireland fails here in its dependence on religious orders. Imagine going for counseling when you have been abused by a priest and all the institutions you visit have religious images that remind you the institution that violated your trust. Our children have a right to an education without a religious element. It’s a basic human right. Ireland is a multi-cultural society.
Yes, most people do want to “we want to get rid of the Church, get it out of the schools, out of hospitals, and have done with it altogether” as they have abused their power for so long and traumatized so many. Dear God the Christian Brothers were brutal. Nuns told girls to be good mothers and not ambitious. Song for a Raggy Boy and The Magdalen Sisters outline some of the catholic “ethos” we lived through.
When were they (the clergy in Ireland) “a voice for the poor and lonely, [to] feed the poor, comfort the dying”? People were contributing money to the almighty church to construct cathedrals when they barely had enough to feed their children. Priests read out the names of those who didn’t pay “dues” in public. There were many poor in the country but I never saw a skinny bishop. I witnessed funerals where money was gathered and though people thought they were giving to the family, the money was taken by the priest. Funerals are still taking place in which family members are told they cannot talk about the deceased and the priest take gets some facts and then talks as if he knew the deceased and takes the glory while shortchanging any real tribute to that person’s life. I remember them condemning so many groups so often but they do not condemn the child-molesters in their ranks.
The “stay the course” mantra was one of Bush’s and those who accepted that are partially responsible for over 1,000,000 Iraqis are dead in a war sold on lies. And this is the mantra you are touting here? Stay the course and trust those who violated children? How do things change if we ‘stay the course”? But then the war criminals are walking free in America so you are applying that way of thinking to Ireland. They are “leaders” so they get away with monumental crimes. Dear God, no!
I agree with the sham assessment as I’ve heard and seen the cover-up close up. Try talking to victims, Garry. Shouldn’t they deserve the most of your time instead of your enthusiastic defense of the perpetrators or heinous crimes or are you moved by the perceived glory and majesty of the institution?
I’m sure Garry has some reason to believe the bishops, right? His choice of insulting terms makes me wonder about where he’s coming from though. “Presbyterian” as in “in almost Presbyterian zeal to jeering” and “hysterical” as in “to a near-hysterical atmosphere accusing them and the Pope of window-dressing and participating in a sham” are his adjectives of choice here guaranteed to offend members of another Christian religion and women (look up the origin and usage of hysteria). Do you have some fundamentalist issues Garry?
Believing criminals: GARRY O'SULLIVAN may believe the message of redemption and reform of the church is genuine but those who attend mass in Ireland and listen to the arrogance and cover-ups and utter lack of genuine remorse and utter lack of accountability for crimes committed and utter neglect of condemnation from the pulpit of the criminals they sheltered disagree. The victims who are further tortured by this arrogance and cover-up disagree.
As for kicky the troglodyte's querie regarding where was Peter during the massacres (actually perpetrated by Nero) and the 'succession' thing, the answer is: Pete, the First Bishop of Rome was being crucified upside down somewhere in the city, some 450 years before Justinian was around. His bones were found directly under what now is St. Peter's Basilica (hence the name). This fact was scientifically attested to. -- His sucessor for the Bishopric was then Linus, the second Pope, followed by Anacletus, Clement, etc. etc. up to the 265th Pope, who is Benedict. -- And yes, much to your comfort, all of them appointed by the devil! -- In fact, given the importance the job, Belzebub has an office in charge of papal appointments, and a multitude of Czars, unelected by the denizens of hell (this gives them an additional reason for the eternal 'gnashing and grinding of teeth' predicted by Jesus), just roaming the mortal world in search for suitable candidates for the office. – To your joy, this is probably a job you can look forward to when your pathetic life on this earth is mercifully done. So... Buh bye, and good riddance! It'll be more fun down there; unless the keybord, chair and desk they assign you are blazing hot. At least they'll continue to keep you jumping, like a kernel in the pop-corn pan at your local theatre. Can't wait for the fun!
They say 'a little knowledge is a dangerous thing!' and kickstar the Hun proves it everytime he sits at the keyboard -- which seems to be all day long! No wonder he's a tireless advocate for all things BIG gov't and obamanomics. One does indeed need a constant stream of welfare checks in the mailbox to dedicate as much time as he does to the addiction of spouting off inanities on every subject that appears on IC, but most pointedly against a favorite target such as the CC, which seems to be constantly in kicky's mind. -- I have no doubt, however, this is something he does for medicinal purposes since it's legal, cheap, empties his diseased spleen and has kept him away for his neighborhood pusher, finally! -- Problem is, it's also kept him from consulting the library stacks to verify the facts of his endless blathering. -- His latest gem of misinformation seems to be on the subject of Roman history. In his latest rant he mentions 'Justinian as the 10th Roman Emperor who decided to stop massacring Christians'??? - BTW, this bit of historical revisionism by a troglodyte has appeared on several of his posts. He no doubt must think his posts are only for the eyes of the LCD he communes with while away from the keyboard.-- As an act of Catholic Christian mercy (yes, we the faithful are MUCH BIGGER than the slimers who obsess about us) here's a link to Wikipedia that might save you from further ridicule from those who actually know what they are talking about. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justinian -- Just FYI, look up Constantine and give him a little credit.
jacersisityourself .Where was the Apostle Peter when Justinian the 10th Roman Emperor decided to stop massacring the Christians and make himself their leader later called Papa or Pope, You like a lot of others have been greatly mislead by the lie that is the so called link between the Apostle Peter the so called first pope and he Justinian the real first pope who in fact was appointed by the devil himself.
Hey jacersisityourself I once heard mass in the presence of the remains of my dinner pissed out of my head on Christ-mas eve does that count???..Pagan bullchit devil worshipers of the Catholic church of satan..
Just get it to fugg out of our lives




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