Cardinal Dolan talks modern society and how sex is debased to “animal rutting”

"ANIMAL RUTTING"?? AL LEAST THERE IS NO "ANIMAL PEDOFILIA" (PEDOPHILIA) IN THE ANIMAL WORLD....I AM TIRED OF HEARING SOME PRIESTS REFERRING TO ANIMALS AS INFERIOR CREATURES....IT IS THEIR GOD THAT CREATED THEM BY THE WAY....AND MANY PIOUS RELIGIOUS PEOPLE WOULD DO WELL IN FOLLOWING THE EXAMPLE GIVEN TO HUMANS BY OTHER SPECIES SUCH AS AUTHENTICITY, BRAVENESS, LOYALTY AND GRATITUDE JUST TO CITE A FEW....FROM READING (ON THIS ARTICLE) WHAT THIS CARDINAL-TO-BE PREACHES, I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS IN TROUBLE! FORTUNATELY, NOT ALL CATHOLIC PRIESTS THINK -OR TALK- LIKE HIM....THE GOOD LORD SAVE US ALL!

Oh, now, stop this. Who gave birth to Jesus? Bashing women for a biologic function that GOD created for our mutual enjoyment and to promote the continuation of the species is counter-productive. Or, am I just being an irrational, wanton woman trying to seduce all you Godly men to my way of thinking? Sigh.

eiriamach--You tell us. I'm sure you have some crazy take on the topic.

"Rutting" is done only by the male of the species-- elk, deer, and elephants mostly. What does that say about those who connect rutting with debased sexual activity?

The older I get the more sorry I am that I didn't do more animal rutting in my teenage years and my 20s. Still, I think I have a good few rutting seasons left to me. Let's get rutting!

Time for another Reformation?

I'm really getting sick reading of the anti female rhetoric in Church history! This Father Peter Damian couldn't have been the priest who worked with lepers; I believe he was in the 19th Century. The 11th Century monk should have spelled his name, "DAMIEN", after the antichrist featured in the Omen trilogy! BTW, Cardinal Pacelli was Pope Pius XII, not XVI.

Interesting comments by TomS and CaptainC on RCC's attitudes toward women! In an article in the NY Times 1/7, Sara Ritchey writes for the benefit of the wives of married Ex-Episcopal priests who recently were ordained into the RCC Chair of Peter Ordinariate: "By the time of the First Lateran Council, the priest’s wife had become a symbol of wantonness and defilement. The reason was that during this period the nature of the host consecrated at Mass received greater theological scrutiny. Medieval theologians were in the process of determining that bread and wine, at the moment of consecration in the hands of an ordained priest at the altar, truly became the body and blood of Jesus Christ. The priest who handled the body and blood of Christ should therefore be uncontaminated lest he defile the sacred corpus.... The priest’s wife was an obvious danger. Her wanton desire, suggested the 11th-century monk Peter Damian, threatened the efficacy of consecration. He chastised priests’ wives as 'furious vipers who out of ardor of impatient lust decapitate Christ, the head of clerics'.... According to the historian Dyan Elliott, priests’ wives were perceived as raping the altar, a perpetration not only of the priest but also of the whole Christian community.... [I]n the words of Damian, as 'the clerics’ charmers, devil’s choice tidbits, expellers from paradise, virus of minds, sword of soul, wolfbane to drinkers, poison to companions, material of sinning, occasion of death ... the female chambers of the ancient enemy, of hoopoes, of screech owls, of night owls, of she-wolves, of blood suckers.'” ("A Cohort of Married Roman Catholic Priests...")

he tralks about immorality while protecting str8 pedophile priests.

All you need to know about Dolan is that when he was bishop of Milwaukee from 2002-2009, he was hiding the molestation of children. His legacy was that in Jan 2011, the diocese filed for bankruptcy due to sucessful lawsuits His new job btw is to fight the extension of the statue of limitations re the molestation in several states. I noted that one of the awards re molestation in David Frances book - our Fathers - was 5.2 million $$ MUltiply that by the estimated 100,000 kids molested int he USA and you wont have to worry about the catholic church demonizing our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters any more. the sign over the vatican gates will say bankrupt. The mistatke the world made was to not arrest Pacelli - Pope Piux XVI and try him at Nurmenburg. For laying the ground work of the hatred of Jesus own people - which paved the way for the holocaust and WWII.

I don't really like this guy Dolan. Way too political and I could be wrong but the last time I passed St. Patrick's Cathedral, it had all the trappings of a palatial estate. If Dolan would only follow this passage: Sell what you have, give to the poor and come follow me, I might begin to listen to him. It's sad, as a former altar boy and daily church goer that I can't place one foot into a church today.

jamieLM ... I'm not saying that I believe you can only have sex for procreation. If that were the case, then barren couples and women over the child bearing age would not qualify, right? As you said, responsible sex. But I just think now our society is not encouraging responsible sex. I think we should give every little boy baby a mini-vasectomy and then when they get married and want kids, they can have it reversed. That way, all babies would be wanted babies!! LOL

I'm happy to be a humanist,I do not have to clutter my head with ridiculous religious doctrine.Religions are invented to control people and their taught processes. Religios teachings are not neccessary in understand love,honour and respect.

TomSwinford, Thanks for the "crash course" on St. Augustine. There is so mush about him that I still don't know, though I first learned of him in 1st Grade! The sister told us that this man ran off with a "bad crowd". His mother, St. Monica, prayed 30 years for him. Well, I think St. Monica's prayers "caused" more harm than good. If Augustine would have settled down, with 1 woman who he loved & cherished, none of this misogony would have been preached! We all ahould know that if a woman seduces a man, out of love and/or affection, neither partner should consider himself/herself to be either a "victim" or "evil perpetrator"! BTW, a seductress can cure an overly inhibited guy of girl shyness!

Dolan is a typical old guard of the RCC. Sadly, he wants to "get off", but because of his oath he can't so he wants all others to feel as empty and stressed as he does. We need a new guard of wedded priests, both men and women. RCC watch out... the New Catholics are starting to think for ourselves and we want change, a New Catholic Church, progressive & loving. We want to always consider "What would Jeses do?", not "What does Dolan/Pope say?"! Long live the New Catholic Movement.