Bill O'Reilly loses out to Karl Rove on immigration reform debate

O'Reilly is correct. There is something pathetic in our inability to defend our own borders. His analogy to Korea is right on. Here is a question? If Iraq was crossing into Arizona in a declared war, would we have the same difficulty defending that border as we do now? The problem is not that we don't have the capability. The problem is we don't have the desire, primarily because MOST of the U.S. voting public does not live in a border state.

It really is not as simple as you make it out to be. Most of these people couldnt even afford the fees to apply for immigrant status. It is purposefully prohibitively expensive and accessible. Were it more accessible then I think your argument would carry more weight. Also Ronald Reagan failed at everything he espoused. Government grew under him more than any other president even Roosevelt with the grand schemes after the depression. He damaged severely America's good name by supporting fascist dictators such as Pinochet who were guilty of mass murder and supported Thatchers murder of innocent civilians in Northern Ireland/ to mention him on an Irish website when he supported an enemy of this country is both insensitive to his role in the plight of our Northern brethren and to ignore his actual failure despite his saying all that the right wanted to hear. Too much revisionist history occurs around Reagan.

Sounds like the same old blame Bush rhetoric. The fact is quite evident... the Dems want - no, NEED - illegal votes in order to survive. This includes ACORN and, of course, as many of the 13,000.000 plus votes from the illegal immigrants. The conservatives have placed Obama between a rock and a hard place... grant amnesty and lose the elections or throw the illegal aliens out en masse and lose the elections. Yes, we have a problem; but it will take time and the cooperation of the alien population. They must go the full route to become tax-paying, English-speaking, American citizens. I do think that the present demands are rather stringent (some 5 years)but we cannot bestow citizenship with a wave of the hand in order to win cheap votes. Oh, Dennis Q... don't blame the Republicans for everything bad. They made Clinton look good and things only started to fall apart when the Dems got control of Congress. Also consider that Mexico actually seems to enjoy trashing the United States. Your - our - biggest worry right now is the fact that there isn't another Ronald Reagan out there to pull us back up from the brink.

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A rather weak argument from Rove. Mostly excuses from past administrations. The conversation was about the virtual fence which was an "intentional waste" of taxpayer money. Another delay tactic if you will.

In one sense, right wingers are indeed under siege, as measured by the past few national elections. Republicans promised greater liberty for all; that meant that megacorporations ran wild. They promised greater respect for America; that meant endless, ambiguous wars. Now they'd like to hang on to the permanent underclass in the face of a reawakening that working people have to stand together against the bosses.

It has always been the strategy of the right to use immigration to provoke idiots in believing they are under siege.Every election out comes the terrorist and immigration juggernaut fueled by Fox news,Hannity,Malkin,Coulter and the list goes on.

Many people are missing the moral dimension of the effect on poor people of American immigration policy. Oppression of the poor is immoral. The Catholic Church condemns it as a sin that cries to heaven for vengeance. The notion that these absurdly restrictive laws protect American interests - and they DON'T - is a sop to the guilty consciences of otherwise-moral Americans who support these laws.

big business interests love illegal immigrants it reduces wage costs to almost slave labour status, thus the reluctance by politicians to tackle the problem. The flow-on effect is to stifle a fair pay system for American workers.Wake up America.

The answers are wrong because the questions are wrong. Instead of asking how can we keep these people out, we should re-conceptualize the nation state. This is not the 1800's anymore, although the rhetoric often sounds like it. People go where the jobs are. We need to regulate immigration without creating a permanent underclass of "illegal" people. Absurdly restrictive immigration policy accomplishes nothing positive.

Is TexasGal another cupboard racist?The Irish has it's own illegal immigration problem,we do not need your "stuff-up's"

TexasGal "most of them are Catholic or Muslim"" Ireland is a nanny state so the Mex will fit right in."How 'bout that destruction of the American economy brought to us by the that last Texan in the White House? And now we're dealing with a 14 billion dollar clean up in the Gulf because of their cozy deregulation, that allowed them to build rigs without the back up "safety valves" that the rest of the world requires.Immigrants didn't break the economy, George W. did.

Let send all the Mex to Ireland and let then take your jobs and you pay for their healthcare and most of them are Catholic or Muslim. Ireland is a nanny state so the Mex will fit right in

@ritmomente do you think that only Mex can do those jobs deport the bunch and give back those jobs to American's.