Are British making same mistakes with Muslims they made with Irish?

For all your saloon talk, maloney, you haven't given Irish Central readers reason to believe your assertions about Muslims. They should accept what you say simply for the fact that you say it. That's very generous to yourself, don't you think?

Irish Central readers could take your statements at face value if they knew you by reputation. But this is an anonymous forum! The only way we'd know to believe you is if you support your arguments with facts from credible sources. In this regard you are not being singled out.

Telling lies is your realm of insanity dennis. Once again, it's your stupid arse I have no respect for dennis. I can't think of another I feel the same way about on IC. You don't know your arse from apple butter about anything, let alone me. You don't know the meaning of playing it straight, nor being straight for that matter. Flail on idiot.

We may conclude that the well-informed maloney bases his opinions on his extensive travels. He knows whereof he speaks when he asserts " . . . the muslim doesn't want to become a part of, they want to transform. They want to impose sharia & all of their way of life on whomever the emigrate to. They have no respect for your ways or mine. It's their way or die.

Frankly, it sounds like saloon talk to me. In idle conversation, nybody can get up and make the most extreme statements about people they've never even met. That's why, when you publish something likely to be controversial, you're usually prepared to support your own statements. However, maloney shares his secrets only with people whom he "respects" - a group that does not include the readers of Irish Central.

It's still worth a try to ask somebody to document their reasons for their opinions. Who knows? From time to time, you may encounter somebody who genuinely plays it straight.

dennis...if I had any respect for you I would respond to your slander. But I don't, so I won't. You are wrong on all counts, again, as usual. I will offer that I have traveled more in one year, more than once, than you have in your lifetime.

Where do you get the stuff you write, maloney? I'll bet you don't know a single Muslim person, and you haven't traveled to any Muslim countries, and you've even looked at a copy of the Koran.

Your opinions aren't based on anything real. You put more care into whether or not you'll carry an umbrella in the morning than your enmity towards people of the Muslim faith. Tell the truth. You get everything you know about Muslims from tabloid newspapers or tabloid television, don't you?

sirpeter..I agree with all you said. Also America brings lots of problems on themselves. Greed for power, land, money & oil tend to be behind the pretext of helping, as in the case of Kuwait. With that said, the muslim doesn't want to become a part of, they want to transform. They want to impose sharia & all of their way of life on whomever the emigrate to. They have no respect for your ways or mine. It's their way or die. I got a problem with that. Wrong thinking as it may be, I find myself not overly concerned with doing things that upset them. I have no respect for someone who has no respect for me.

@Strongbow..Wrong..all Wrong...Terrible INTERNETTING.

Good post DennisQ...maloney,I am not been disrespectful to what you think.But like any problem you HAVE to go deeper and get to the root cause,it's as simple as that.Muslims children are not born with aggression and a wish to kill.If you agree with that one point,the only conclusion you can draw is that aggression and hate is a learned behavior.I hate using the word terrorist,because it is a loaded word and implied that certain kinds of resistance is not exceptable.When a people have limited options by way of resistance,they are forced to use covert actions.If you understand this point,the question to ask is why.The things all resistance groups have in common is that they have the support of large sections of the community.If that community feels threatened or they are badly treated and the Muslim world is a very large one,they are going to try to stop you.If YOU feel that Muslims want to kill you in your country and that you are innocent,you should complain to your leaders, elected by YOU and ask them are they doing anything that might upset these Muslims in such a way that they want to rip your throat out.If your government IS interfering with Muslim Countries,then the only conclusion is that they are interfering in a bad way.If you understand all that...at least then when you are innocently going about your business shopping with your kids and all of a sudden there is a large explosion and your kids intestines and yours are spread out over 50 yards,you will see there is a reason for it and you will die with a little more understanding.

If you want to reduce terrorism, you have to modify policies which provoke terrorism as a response. That shouldn't be the revelation it apparently is. However, as Peirce herself noted, IRA recruiting efforts received a great boost from the events of Bloody Sunday - to the surprise of the British public!

Research out of the University of Chicago shows that certain policies promote suicide terrorism as certainly as night follows day. Professor Robert Pape's book Dying to Win: The Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism shows that suicide terrorism is mainly a response to foreign occupation. Unfortunately, both the American and the British governments have adopted policies that maximize the likelihood of local terrorism, possibly because at some level they seek to justify deprivation of civil liberties.

Eventually there may be an incident so brutal, tragic and unnecessary that even right wingers may seek more humane policies. In the meantime, however, it's easily seen which groups are personally affected by preventable tragedy and which aren't. George Bush, at no risk to himself, famously provoked Middle East terrorists, saying Bring it on.

I guess Al qeda will go into govt then?

if the US is as successful against terrorism as the british have been against irish terrorists i will feel a whole lot safer going about my business in nyc. the british are to be commended in their counter-terrorist measures over the years. terrorism is notoriously difficult to contain but the british drove the provos to a standstill and proved the limits of armed insurrection.

sirpeter, I respect your opinion but a muslim needs no reason to hate or kill. They are a backward, barbaric people. I have seen & heard more than one imam say there is no such thing as a moderate muslim. I choose to take them at their word. The things you say, if you do to them, they will do to you, they do every day for no reason. If you let them into your country as America & Ireland have, trouble & death & overthrow of govt. is their agenda. They will wait generations if needed to achieve their goals.

Does she have a phone number? I would try and find out if I'm entitled to any human rights of any kind! The problem is.....any women that know's I dislike dutch because I don't believe them being in Desendant of Ireland or what they do to Irish women and children. Useully get killed by the dutch. Would I be putting her life at rish if I contacted her?

She stretches it a fair bit to make the comparison with the Irish and Muslim immigrants. Nothin like pushin the knee jerk button.

Better to let a thousands Muslim bombers go,then to convict and imprison or kill one innocent Muslim.You kill or imprison one innocent Muslim,and you have just given another million Muslims a reason to hate..and they will come and get you,they will blow you up and kill your children and bomb your country,And no government will ever stop them, no Army,no Cops,no CIA,no FBI,Nobody can ever..ever..ever stop them.Where you have injustice you will get resistance.You kill their kids and they will kill yours.If your government has killed innocent people and made you an innocent target.Tough sh*t. I think what she is doing and has done is great,she fights for justice and there was nothing controversial about the Guildford Four as stated in that article.Four innocent men convicted for a crime they did not commit,they got justice because of her,and justice has lead to peace in Northern Ireland.