In a Daily Beast column, author John Kelly writes that Paul Ryan is "making the same economic mistakes that hurt his forefather in the Great Famine."
Kelly, who is the author of the upcoming "The Graves Are Walking: The Great Famine and the Saga of the Irish People," says that the Republican vice-presidential candidate and his siblings are proud of their Irish "famine-to-fortune" history. Their paternal great-great-grandfather, James Ryan, fled the famine for America in 1851.
However, Kelly says that Ryan's economic philosophy was what hurt his forebears during the famine, starving a million and sending another million into exile.
Kelly writes: "The Irish famine, widely regarded as the worst natural disaster of the 19th century, began when, between 1845 and 1850, repeated crop failures reduced the population of Ireland by a third. But crop failure wasn’t what caused the worst of it: a government economic philosophy called “Moralism” and speeches made in Parliament that are almost word-for-word like Ryan’s own speeches about his Republican budget are what made the famine catastrophic, causing needless deaths.
"Charles Trevelyan, the British official who oversaw famine relief, was so intent on rooting out the “cankerworm of government dependency” from the character of hungry peasants that he ordered relief food be sold rather than given away. That decision was the single-most devastating one, increasing famine deaths multifold—and unnecessarily."
Kelly says that when Ryan introduced the Republican budget that would end Medicare and other "entitlements," the words sounded similar to Trevelyan's.
Kelly writes: "Ryan declared that America was at an “insidious moral tipping point,” adding that “the president is accelerating this.” He went on to say that a capacious safety net “lulls able-bodied people”—I paused at the slightly archaic turn of phrase—“into lives of complacency and dependency, which drains them of their very will and incentive to make the most of their lives. It’s demeaning.” Far better for the American character for the poor to “pull themselves up by their bootstraps.” Ah, yes, those bootstraps again.
He adds: "Yes, the free market is a very efficient instrument, but it runs on the profit motive, and in a period of crisis—whether 1845’s catastrophic crop failure or our current economic near-collapse—measures need to be taken—feeding the hungry, employing the unemployed—that, in the short run at least, won’t make anyone money."
"And yes, welfare can create dependency, and in times of prosperity and a healthy jobs market, eligibility standards should be strict. But in time of crisis, an uptick in dependency seems a small price to pay it if helps prevent mass starvation—or even the lesser dread of mass unemployment, which we’re looking at now."
He concludes the column by saying: "The descendants of the people the Presbyterian Quarterly called “more animal than intellectual in nature” are now among the most prosperous, patriotic, and politically powerful of Americans. Some, like Paul Ryan, are exercising their privilege to aggressively promote the ideas over which their ancestors in Ireland suffered and died or fled. Now, with the power of his vice-presidential candidacy—and the sway his ideas have clearly held over the man who selected him—that power and privilege are intensified."
"History instructs. History also has a very dark sense of humor. Irish history, especially."
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Switch to the desktop site to post a comment.seanomelb | Aug 26, 2012, 12:03 AM EDT
last line S/R lends credence to
seanomelb | Aug 26, 2012, 12:01 AM EDT
Mr. Bailey appears to believe the teaparty concepts of economics. Lowering the standard of living of the poor and the middle classes to fill the vaults of the rich and powerful,thereby lowering their own standard of living.Crazy economics from a lunatic fringe that not even moderate republicans credence to.
baileyBD | Aug 25, 2012, 11:13 AM EDT
Is this author completely anaware of the economic issues in Ireland right now? How they are in crisis? What a completely ridiculous analogy to make! Mr. Ryan is absolutely right in his assessment. We cannot continue down this unsustainable path or we will end up like Greece and Ireland! And yes, I agree with MrSinatra that Irish Central is anything but central! Most articles dealing with American politics swing to the left. In fact, I can't think of one off hand that does not.
seanomelb | Aug 24, 2012, 11:35 PM EDT
irishbob only fox report it!! maybe that's because fox invent the lies they spew and every other news outlet only reports the truth.
irishbob | Aug 23, 2012, 12:29 PM EDT
I could not agree you more MrSinatra. Why is it that you only hear Fox news asking questions about Obama. I heard a radio interview the other with Obama talking to some station out west and the interviewer asked him the question everyone was waiting for. "what was his favorite color, and where is the best place to eat in Chicago." Forget about stupid things like the economy, people want to knew these things, right?
MrSinatra | Aug 22, 2012, 09:34 AM EDT
why doesn't this site just come out of the obama campaign closet and admit they are shills for the pied piper?
irishbob | Aug 22, 2012, 03:40 AM EDT
Mr. Kelly may be an expert on the great Irish famine, but he knows nothing about what is going on in America today. There is no comparison that can be made between 1840s Ireland and 2012 America. If Obama had been around in the 1840s, everyone would have left Ireland. The only comparison that can be made is that England, which controlled Ireland in the 1840s, hated Ireland as much as Obama hates everything American. There are two very interesting books about Obama out that Mr. Kelly, and everyone should read. One is called “The Amateur: Barack Obama in the White House” by Edward Klein, and “Obama’s America: Unmaking the American Dream” by Dinesh D’Souza. The latter follows Obama’s life and tell what America will look like in 2016, at the end of Obama’s second term. There is also a movie called 2016 out that follows the book and is directed by Mr. D’Souza. Ryan has done something Obama has never done, submitted a federal budget three years in a row that has passed the House but not the Senate. Obama has never submitted a budget, and even if he did, his own Senate has said he would not bring it up for a vote. Shows you how much pull Obama really has. By the way, Ryan can actually trace his Irish ancestry back to Ireland which is something Obama really can’t without the help of his handlers.
curtisjohnson | Aug 21, 2012, 04:27 PM EDT
McNamara31 "my concerns are rooted in the factual history of the insurance industry and placing the security of the aged in their hands" Neither party is going to do anything to the detriment of the insurance oligopolies so prices will never be controlled in the current system or with obamacare.
peterson | Aug 21, 2012, 03:21 PM EDT
Duncan has it right. Kelly is obviously a coolade sipping liberal !!
McNamara31 | Aug 21, 2012, 11:12 AM EDT
sorry problems with spell check... s/b the Millennial Generation (or those born after 1980)
McNamara31 | Aug 21, 2012, 11:04 AM EDT
continued from below: Much can be done to secure the solvency of Medicare until the Melenium Generation will return the worker to collector ratios to a more secure status. Increasing the cap, and bringing down the billions presently spent by medicare on hospital borne infections would be a good place to start.
McNamara31 | Aug 21, 2012, 10:45 AM EDT
HBDuncan | I respect the points you have raised in your post, however my concerns are rooted in the factual history of the insurance industry and placing the security of the aged in their hands. In the wake of the financial collapse of 2008, the insurance industry raised their rates by 59%, since 1970, they have raised their rates by 700% where medicare, managed to insure the medical security of the elderly increased by 400%.Paul Ryan is owned by corporate America. Do you remember when he wanted to privatize Social Security delivering it to the whims of a deregulated market of that time? Much can be done to secure the solvency of Medicare until the Melenium Generation
John Donovan | Aug 21, 2012, 07:00 AM EDT
"Uptick in dependency" One out of seven is already on food stamps. That's one hell of an uptick. The current economic course is unsustainable in the long term. The state of California is already bankrupt because of the "uptick". Make no mistake Ryan, Trevelyn's moves during the famine were directed by Parliament to protect the English economy and not to root out cankerworms of dependency. The record shows that the English government subsidized the transport of famine refugees to Canada and Australia to increase the populations of those territiories and keep England from having to sustain the burden of many thousands of Irish fleeing the famine by resettling there instead of some far flung possession. If you are going to cheerlead for Obama and the Democrats could you at least try to get some of the facts right?
rpbrown | Aug 21, 2012, 03:32 AM EDT
This is an age old tactic of the rich and in charge. Make the middle class majority think the problems in the economy stem not from the people making all the decisions and controlling all the wealth, but in fact it is the poor of the country, who have been badly hurt by the decisions of big shots (to subsidize shipping jobs over seas for example), who are to blame. WAKE UP! IT IS NOT THE POOR PEOPLE ON WELFARE OR MEDICARE BRINGING OUR COUNTRY DOWN! IT'S THE BANKERS, BIG CORPORATIONS AND POLITICIANS RUINING OUR NATION!!!
HBDuncan | Aug 21, 2012, 12:42 AM EDT
McNamara31: You make it sound like billions spent on foreign and military aid(for our enemies) $55 billion plus is no drop in the bucket! I would much rather take my chances with a health plan that has no mandates, fines or penalties. We could not possibly sustain Obama's plan as we are trillions in debt and our small businessmen can not manage to have increased taxes and pay an increase on employees mandated medical - I already know that they will be forced to let people go - so much for new hiring and employment! The reason Wall Street and Corporate (GM) is doing Ok is because they were bailed out with our tax dollars and the govt. has raided (borrowed) from our social security! And raids billions from Medicare to fund what should be called Pelosi Care as she designed it for Obama! Also, they have a separate health plan for themselves. The 2013 proposal (Ryan) provides workers currently under the age of 55 (beginning in 2023) a choice of private plans. Medicare would provide a premium payment to either pay for or offset the premium of the plan chosen. This was based on a plan developed by Senator Ron Wyden of Oregon. Also, there is a plan to secure Medicaid and consolidates the six existing income tax brackets into two! Medical is not a Constitutional right or mandate it is a benefit. It should not be used as a manipulative, divisive tool for Politics. Also, the wealthy will always find a way to beat the system and a place to take their business and move their money. The truth is these wars have been paid for by our blood and dollars while the govt. funds rebels. It appears that there is money enough for that. Do you think we should not hold them accountable for Solyndra-gate, Wallstreet while the govt. gives a pass, bleeds us and spend us into oblivion? The talk does not match the walk. All for one and one for all? Only, in a perfect world! Do we want Change or Freedom to Choose?
hollabackgurl | Aug 21, 2012, 12:07 AM EDT
Of course Ryan wants to end Medicare. He wants to end the Department of Education and cut every social program that aids the poor. There can't be anyone who seriously contends otherwise. He lives in a world of pure ideology, untouched by reality's grubby mitts.
HBDuncan | Aug 20, 2012, 11:19 PM EDT
Curtisjohnson: I agree, but in addition there has been much fraud perpetrated within Medicare as well as other entitlement programs. I was involved in an investigation and most of the fraud came from foreign criminals and corruption living in the U.S.A. So much for our tight borders!
curtisjohnson | Aug 20, 2012, 10:53 PM EDT
"There is no comparison between the "Classical Liberalism" of the 19th Century British Government and the Ryan REFORM PLAN." The whole thesis is flawed - the 19th Century british government never substantively followed classical liberal economic policies but was in substance remained a mercantile oligarcy which was carefully controlled. The only problem I have with Ryan's plan is the Medicare aspect since it ignores the fact that so many trillions have been stolen from it over the years. He should cut all federal housing and education subsidies (and eliminate Fannie, Freddie, HUD and the Department of Education) as well as the terror industry bureaucracies (Homeland Security, TSA, the Pentagon and secret service blackk budget) and Medicaid before touching Medicare or social security.
BrianO | Aug 20, 2012, 10:27 PM EDT
Republican tactics that brought us Ronald Reagan and the greatest business atmosphere in my memory, we were so busy we couldn't keep up with the orders and had to hire people.
Woodman | Aug 20, 2012, 09:29 PM EDT
Think this Kelly fella is spreading a load of blarney, cutting the GROWTH IN THE FUTURE, of the multi billion dollar budget is nothing like the Irish famine. The comparison is bizarre.
Tom Mo | Aug 20, 2012, 08:09 PM EDT
jamthecat: Wow, I guess you've read Ryan's budget plan? I assume you've also read the Obamacare bill? And you conclude: "If you actually care about human beings vote for Obama or Stein" (?) Obama supports abortion and the afterbirth killing of the live fetus. And, you write "Romney and Ryan are the spawn (sic) of the devil". Jamthecat. You are nuts!
EphraimKibbey | Aug 20, 2012, 08:05 PM EDT
A very interesting article. I'll have to start reading the Daily Beast. As for the Foxer's below, there are none so blind as those who refuse to open their eyes. Fox wouldn't know the truth if it bit them. Roger, LETS HAVE FUN WITH THE NEWS, Ailes has single-handedly reduced the IQ of half of the nation by 50 points. Great work Fox.
jamthecat | Aug 20, 2012, 06:33 PM EDT
All you have to do is read Ryan's budget to see he's not serious about the deficit or the debt or anything except giving his rich buddies tax breaks while taking more assistance away from the poor. His plans would add 2.4 trillion dollars to the national debt over the next 10 years, according to the CBO and other groups who've analyzed his budget. And Romney's is no better. If you're a self-loathing fool who's self-destructive, vote for R&R. If you actually care about human beings, vote for Obama or Stein. Romney and Ryan are spawn of the devil.
seanomelb | Aug 20, 2012, 06:33 PM EDT
Springfield9 writes about the "classic Liberalism" of the 19th century British government, A government which enslaved and terrorised millions all over the world.Springfield's attempt to minimize British terrorism is pathetic or stupid.
wmbyrnes | Aug 20, 2012, 06:15 PM EDT
I hope most people have the knowledge and appreciation of the facts to know this headline and the bulk of the content of this article (aka, commercial for Obama)is a bunch of bull! Obama, his policies and his followers are creating a condition in the US that can be called economic slavery.
casualMBA | Aug 20, 2012, 06:10 PM EDT
We should be clear on at least one thing, in fairness to all...the blackened fields of Ireland killed the "spalpeens" (landless laborers) the day they blackened...No heroics on the part of Trevelyan - and there were many - could have saved them...they lived at such a subsistence level they were dead with the non-existent harvest...those with some savings WERE saved by Trevelyan's relentless relief efforts...many a British doctor and minister died trying to save the poor during the initial bad harvests...British colonialism was not, by a long shot, all "laissez faire" and "ta hell with them"...Liverpool was inundated with the victims (ergo, Lennon and McCartney)...repeated bad harvests had Trevelyan, with Great Britain's politicians, throwing in the towel...to the sorrow of the Irish...America is not at Famine's door, so Kelly's analogy is decidedly strained...if Ryan's REFORM PLAN considers the victims of repeated unproductive (or productive) harvests, then he will be a notch above his British speechmakers.
Springfield9 | Aug 20, 2012, 05:41 PM EDT
This article is a biased piece of trash. There is no comparison between the "Classical Liberalism" of the 19th Century British Government and the Ryan REFORM PLAN. The plans to keep things solvent doesn't even effect those under 55 - the Trevelyan group starved everyone equally. John Kelly needs to go back to school for History and Economics.
Dompedro | Aug 20, 2012, 05:32 PM EDT
but Kelly did say that Ryan " ... would end Medicare." Thay's not true.
hollabackgurl | Aug 20, 2012, 04:37 PM EDT
John Kelly hasn't said that Paul Ryan's economic policies will lead to a famine or the deaths of tens of thousands - he said Ryan is "making the same economic mistakes that hurt his forefather in the Great Famine." That's an important distinction. That's not hyperbole. Kelly, a noted historican, has noticed that the 19 century British government speeches made in Parliament are almost word-for-word like Ryan’s own speeches about his Republican budget.
Binasdad | Aug 20, 2012, 04:07 PM EDT
It seems like every time Irish Central posts something that's vaguely controversial there are comments by people who say that IC has gone to the dogs and they are cancelling their subscription. That's an exaggerated reaction. Having said that, it is also an exaggeration to compare the policies of Paul Ryan and his ilk - as lacking in human decency as they might be - to British colonial policies that needlessly led to the death of over a million Irish people. Let's include comparing things to the Great Hunger along with nazism, Stalinism and the Holocaust as hyperbole that is beyond the pale of productive discussion.
hollabackgurl | Aug 20, 2012, 04:06 PM EDT
Paul Ryan doesn't believe the government should be involved in education. He wants to cut the Department of Education. If that's not radical, what is? And he is just the sort of high handed ideologue who placed political philosophy over people's lives - the kind of man who blighted the lives of the Irish poor and who will do the same to America's.
seanaci | Aug 20, 2012, 04:00 PM EDT
I'm surprised at how, on an Irish interest site, how little is known about Irish history.
casualMBA | Aug 20, 2012, 03:55 PM EDT
The travail of unemployment is not a blackened field...err, Messiahs, please enter stage right, with the Brits and the Republicans.
michaelidaho | Aug 20, 2012, 03:49 PM EDT
This is just another pointless, biased article containing poorly constructed arguments. If food stamps, unemployment insurance, Medicaid, Medicare and Social Security were available during the potato famine, then there would have been no human catastrophe. As far as I know, Ryan has not called for reductions to food stamps, unemployment insurance or Medicaid. He has called for changes/reforms, not elimination of, Medicare and Social Security to promote their long term fiscal sustainability. This article is just as ridiculous as somebody trying to argue that Obama’s policies will lead to socialism and then communism (or a world wide Islamic caliphate for that matter). It seems that Irish Central is having a difficult time providing articles that demonstrate any significant degree of intelligence.
The Truth Hurts | Aug 20, 2012, 03:13 PM EDT
ARE ya kidding me... where do you people come up with this CRAP..... fall at the feet of the Messia some more.. maybe next time fall on a spike...
Brian921 | Aug 20, 2012, 02:07 PM EDT
There's A saying I've heard in my travels in Ireland that in short, when the American economy catches A cold the rest of the world cathes pneumonia,well we've done A good amount of researhing and have found what we believe to be A cure, there may be A # of side effects but we believe it will be worth it in the end. Now are you or are you not going to take the medinne, or continue on in denial?
BulldogMania | Aug 20, 2012, 02:07 PM EDT
I LOVE this article. I won another pint. Every obviously biased and STUPID article posted on this website earns me another pint in a bet I have with a friend...a very liberal friend. Even he laughed at this one.
Tom Mo | Aug 20, 2012, 01:51 PM EDT
Good God. Is there no end to this type of vile trash on Irish Central? Liberalism is definitely a mental disorder. They are always suffering or reminding people how they suffered and telling us that we should suffer. Gimmeaeffinbreak!
briddy29 | Aug 20, 2012, 01:29 PM EDT
I agree with hooligan6a. I think I will unsubscribe because it's usually just so slanted.
JimmyJK | Aug 20, 2012, 01:29 PM EDT
This is so true.... Irish Americans have turned their backs on our own family history. We have forgot the sufferings that we endured under english rule... Most Irish Americans were democrats until a portion of us moved up the ladder and established themselves economically. The republicans have become incredibly right wing.... If Ronald Reagan was a candidate for office he would be considered much too moderate. Reagan RAISED TAXES several times during his administration.... that is a fact. This article is beautiful...If you are Proud of being Irish American then be proud of what we suffered and then what we accomplished but do not be a "Traitor" to your blood and culture by supporting a culture of profit, greed and control. Some of the commentors below belong on Limbaugh's message board.
JimmyJK | Aug 20, 2012, 12:50 PM EDT
And policies akin to those of the Obama government are what will kill Ireland in the 21st century.
travelmpq | Aug 20, 2012, 12:48 PM EDT
Low Smears that are all too typical of "liberals."
hooligan6a | Aug 20, 2012, 12:47 PM EDT
IC, if you keep printing trash like this I will have to go away..............What was that?
mecostigan | Aug 20, 2012, 12:01 PM EDT
Yup, and Republicans eat the babies of the poor as well! The truth of the matter is that while Romney/Ryan believe in traditional American Individualism, Freedom and hard work they recognize that a "safety net" is a necessity for some of our more unfortunate citizens. Absolutely no comparison with the 19th century British view of the Irish.
bob40wil | Aug 20, 2012, 11:40 AM EDT
What a bunch of BS, trying to compare the Irish famine with today is foolish, besides, we grow better potatos today.
hollabackgurl | Aug 20, 2012, 11:34 AM EDT
John Kelly is the world authority on the causes and conditions of the Irish Famine and when he makes that observation intelligent people should pay attention to it. There's no doubt that the high handed ideological 'moralism' of the British caused needless suffering for the Irish. Ryan's budget would devastate the poor here too. Kelly knows this and he has just said so.
AGRIPPAMOM | Aug 20, 2012, 11:33 AM EDT
Most of these comments were obviously written by people who know as much about history as they do about science and economics. Fox not only has the lowest information voters, but the most ignorant. They can't even see parallels when the parties involves use almost the exact same words.
crny925 | Aug 20, 2012, 11:23 AM EDT
What a load of crap!
johnshiel | Aug 20, 2012, 11:13 AM EDT
always good to hear a bit of the elegant eloquence of mr houlihan, say i...
jflanagan | Aug 20, 2012, 10:37 AM EDT
I meant to say 20% not 19%, although I believe he did hit around 19% a couple of years.
jflanagan | Aug 20, 2012, 10:35 AM EDT
What a bunch of crap. There isn't one thing, other than generalities, that the author offers to show a true comparison of the Famine and Ryan's budget proposals. The Obama, I voted for him but won't this time< people cannot give any real budget cutting and can only lie, distort and demean the opposition. We need to get back to President Clinton's spending policies of mostly below 19% of GDP. The people in the White House do not have the discipline or inclination to get spending under control. If spending was the answer, Greece, Italy, Spain and Japan would be world economic powers.
markday | Aug 20, 2012, 10:34 AM EDT
slainte9: Who says that won't happen? Check back with us when there's a big run on the banks and long bread and soup lines--caused by your GOP buddies who led us into two futile wars ($$$ trillions in debt) and sold our souls to corporations. And if the Repubs in in charge, they wlll only give you soup if you join their party. Sound familiar?
McNamara31 | Aug 20, 2012, 10:25 AM EDT
hermitTalker "Mr Kenyan Daddy's son and his crew" Such Crapola.... Seems like you get TV reception for Fox in your cave.
McNamara31 | Aug 20, 2012, 10:21 AM EDT
CitizenWhy "generosity of heart" Couldn't have been said better. It now seems ok in America for groups who are promised a tax cut or that "their" benefits will be secured, to close their eyes to all we called in the past the "poor unfortunates" The GOP talks Christian values, and acts in a very un Christian or Irish valued way.
hermitTalker | Aug 20, 2012, 10:14 AM EDT
What utter tosh as the Brits say. I have heard Paul Ryan explain his budget and answer objections, and it makes sense. I do not rely on the Keynesian dig holes, fuill with cash and keep on digging from Mr Kenyan Daddy's son and his crew, and his thousands of pages of budget and stimuli packages rammed through Congress with no time to even read. Ryan cites Jack Kemp " a poor America cannot help the poor." He has a Catholic Christian compassion for the poor, wants the social protrection progammes kept, but he does tell The Emperor the Kingdom's Coffers are as bare as your imaginary clothes are real, and you are making it worse and have cut a deal with the insurance companies, NOT reformed health care but health insurance and "it aint workin'" if you listen to the CBO and other numbers.
CitizenWhy | Aug 20, 2012, 10:05 AM EDT
In addition, a large segment of Irish Catholics have developed a mean-spirited culture resembling that of the NI Loyalists during the troubles. This is evidenced by the comments you see on this blog, and elsewhere. Where is the generosity of heart, especially towards those poorer, that I saw in my Irish immigrant parents and my Irish immigrant neighbors?
bignevermo | Aug 20, 2012, 10:05 AM EDT
HBDuncan..:The Justice Department said in a statement that Gibson had “entered into a criminal enforcement agreement” to “defer prosecution of violations of the Lacey Act,” a century-old law, amended in 2008 with bipartisan support, to ban the import of illegally logged wood products. The agreement amounts to an admission by Gibson that it violated the law, legal experts said. the Repubs are even trying to limit the Lacey act...yeah lets just have all the forests cut down why dont we?
mikehoulihan | Aug 20, 2012, 09:59 AM EDT
More lies and smear tactics from Niall O'Dowd and the always left wing Irish Central. Excuse me while I puke, again!
Seanmor | Aug 20, 2012, 09:58 AM EDT
Besides the Ryan's economic plans, these are some of the other reasons why the U.S.electorate should NOT vote for the Republicantichet in Nov: Obama will continue to run the nation a mere 2 or 3 trillion in debt each year; Obama's health Medicare plan wil force hospita;s and doctors to accept less payments and require the elderly to pay a only small higher price for treatment; Obama will give full amnesty and easy citizenship to illigal alins who speak little or no English; Obama will promote the homosexual agenda; Obama will he help diminish the number of future impoverished people by supporting the continued killing of the unborn; Obamma will save the nation countless billions by substantially reducing the strength of our armed forces.
slainte9 | Aug 20, 2012, 09:51 AM EDT
How dare someone compare something that IS NOT HAPPENING AND WILL NOT HAPPEN in America to something that DID HAPPEN in Ireland. Marxists need to stop defaming the United States.
McNamara31 | Aug 20, 2012, 08:58 AM EDT
HBDuncan The Ryan Plan doesn't change any of the existing benefits and security for those 55 and older; it takes for granted that those 55 and older will vote selfishly "I've got mine the hell with you" and throw the next generations under the insurance companies bus (with typical 35% profit margins) with their $6400 dollar voucher.On your other points: most outsourcing is occurs for the simple reason of corporate greed and our foreign aid that you would like to cut is presently at 1% of the overall budget. Truth is, we are in this financial state because of the 2 unpaid wars, tax cuts for the wealthy during those wars, and deregulation of Wall St which brought on the greatest financial collapse since 1929. If the United States had not been so driven into debt by these, making medicare and social security solvent would be very achievable.If you haven't noticed: Corporate America is doing great. The stock market is up 100% since Obama took office; its the American middle class and worker who is struggling and the Ryan plan will add insult to injury.
njirish | Aug 20, 2012, 08:26 AM EDT
yes the world will end if Obama is not re-elected!!!
HBDuncan | Aug 20, 2012, 08:24 AM EDT
Ryan's plan does not end Medicare! We are trillions in debt and I have yet to see Obama and his Czars submit a budget since his office. The lack of submitting a budget is not legally acceptable as it is way past the deadline. Pleaseeee There are many organizations in the U.S. as well as the Church that help people without govt. dependence. Charity begins at home - why does Obama send so much out of the country (billions) to foreign interests rather than cut on govt. waste, double dipping, fraud and overspending where needed. We can hardly compare 2012 to 1845! I do not agree with fear-mongering but rather with the truth and the facts. Our unemployment rate has increased and free enterprise has been restricted under Obama's watch and definition of change. We are sitting on a wealth of untapped resources and yet he does nothing but cater to the progressive elite, environmentalists, foreign interests to name a few! We have coal miners out of work in Virginia and many businesses such as Gibson guitars raided by the govt. because of the wood they bought legally from India! Many companies have outsourced or moved their businesses out of the country because this govt. is NOT business friendly or economically competent. The jobs are leaving and when that happens that is when people have no means of support or food. Obama and his administration has NOT delivered on his promises! Where is Hope and Change promised?