Imagine alien economists landing from another planet to assess the state of the Irish economy. (Don’t laugh, for many Irish that is what the last few years have felt like, as troika economists – highly respected and capable but with very different frames of reference to most Irish people – have visited our shores). What would those alien economists say?
The first thing they’d have difficulty understanding is why an island nation of 6.5 million people on the edge of Europe has been split into two separate tax, currency and legal systems.
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The second thing they’d have difficulty understanding is why one part of the island is – devolution aside – effectively governed from a city in the south of a neighbouring island whose voters don’t even share the same political party.
The third thing they’d have difficulty understanding is why after conflicts all over the world have been settled, Ireland remains the only developed country outside Korea to be divided.
Instead of two separate economies, one with 4.6 million (the Republic) and the other with 1.9 million (Northern Ireland) they would recommend that this island merge into a single island entity of 6.5 million – and growing – persons.
Economies of Scale is one obvious reason; bigger markets mean more effective indigenous industries and greater pull in Foreign Investment. Transactions costs and efficiencies are another: Operating two systems on one small island makes no sense at all. Leveraging the souths’ access to the Euro zone with the North’s access to Britain is a further reason why this merger would be recommended. Finally the north has an economy too dominated by the public sector, but its public sector is cost effective and well run.
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Although smaller relative to the economy, the south’s public sector is cost ineffective but its industrial and business sector is vibrant. In short, the north and south of Ireland complement each other wonderfully.
As for religion, let each tradition fly its own flag. In a pluralist world, a United Ireland won’t be imposing any religious views on its citizens. Ironically after pointing the finger at the south for being too catholic, the British constitution prevailing in the North is now a far greater candidate for finger pointing in this regard.
Northern Ireland is a legal jurisdiction whose existence is now, thanks to the Good Friday Agreement respected by the governments in Dublin and Westminster. But Northern Irish national identity is an artificial construct that in the long run is doomed.
Like the idea of a national identity for Yorkshire or Cumbria, the idea that one moves from one nationality when moving from Dundalk (in the south) to Newry (a few mile away in the North) is nonsense. Statisticians who try to group those in the North into neat categories of British, Irish or Northern Irish miss the point: The majority of people in the North regard themselves as some sort of Irish.
And those who regard themselves as Northern Irish have far more in common with their neighbours a few miles away in the south than they do with anyone in Yorkshire, London or Cardiff. None of the parties in Wales or England – the Tories, Labour or Liberals – have any representation in Northern Ireland. Nor any real interest or connection with it.
Boost for a united Ireland support in new poll figures from Irish Times
For Westminster, Northern Ireland is a backwater to be funded by subvention, tolerated with sighs and sometimes a convenient place for Prime Ministers to exile their political enemies in cabinet. And that is why in the long run, Irish unity – a unity based on a joint parliament in Belfast and a strong role for Protestants holding the balance of power and with strong safeguards for those of British identity – makes sense: We in the south want a United Ireland while the English have no interest in the place.
They don’t realise it, but the southern Irish like their protestant fellow Irishmen and want them on board. The English merely tolerate them. The alternative to reunification is to keep nearly 60 per cent of the North’s population who regard themselves as Irish or Northern Irish in a British statelet that was designed along sectarian lines, ie to lock in a protestant majority.
A statelet that moreover belongs to an entity that treats catholics as second class citizens. And here is another reason for unification: In the south we have had two protestant Heads of State. In Britain, the Head of state must be Protestant. This is offensive and grotesquely out of date. Despite accusations of being “priest-ridden” the south is far more progressive and pluralist than the north.
As recent census data shows, the British constitution – based on Protestant supremacy – will soon be out of kilter with a Northern Ireland in which Catholics will soon be equal in number to Protestants and a decade or so after that become a majority. A majority of under 30 year old are already catholic. And here is the danger:
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The danger that in the absence of a positive vision for reunification, and given the legacy of violence and sectarianism, reunification may be seen as a “victory” for one side over the other in a sectarian head count. If anything, victory must be a victory of Protestants: Their emergence from a neglected dysfunctional statelet that is merely an afterthought for Westminster politicians into a united vibrant new Ireland which they will shape as they have before.
Irish nationalism and culture is unthinkable without the great contribution of Irish Protestants. From Grattan to Wolfe Tone to Parnell, protestants created our national drive for independents. Douglas Hyde revived the Irish language. From Swift to Yeats to Beckett, Irish protestants have spread our culture around the world.
It is now time for them to complete their mission and re-unify Ireland. Not using the dead language of sectarian conflict. But a new vibrant and pluralist one built on a growing population, economies of scale, the advantage of links with Britain and the Euro zone and a reformed mindset political institutions.
In 1904 when contemplating the state of Israel Zionist leader Theodor Herzl said “If you will it, it is no dream”. If the dream of Irish unity is cleansed on sectarianism and head count logic – and willed forward by the huge realisable economic gains – it will be no dream, but a reality by the middle of this century.
*Marc Coleman is a broadcaster, journalist and author and these are his personal views www.marccoleman.ie
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Switch to the desktop site to post a comment.IrelandNorth | Feb 10, 2013, 03:51 PM EST
puffin! The devil is in the "only". A 45% - 55% 'Northern Irish only' could only mean neither a United Kingdom nor a United Ireland - but an independent NI! Perhaps that's the Aristotelian golden mean, (or the Buddhist middle path)? But compare and contrast the results of the Northern Ireland Statistics and Research Agency's Household Surrvey, 2011 and the British Broadcasting Corporation commissioned Ipsos/MORI Attitudes survey, 2013 on the same or similar questions, and ask yourself, why the dramatic discrepancies in less than a year? A statistical gerrymandering - perchance?
STEVENSTAR | Feb 10, 2013, 02:43 PM EST
AS AN IRISHMAN LIVING HERE IN IRELAND IT ANNOYS ME TO HEAR THESE OPINIONS FROM AMERICANS ABOUT MY COUNTRY AND WHAT WE DO OR DONT DO IS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS .. I COULDNT CARE LESS ABOUT WHAT YOU DO IN YOUR COUNTRY AND ID LIKE YOU TO STOP INTERFERING IN MINE ...!!!
curtisjohnson | Feb 10, 2013, 11:39 AM EST
@puffy – “it is not for an American to say,we allo vote with our hip pocket at the end of the day,did you vote Democrat” So hopefully the english and welsh (as well as the residents of Devon and Cornwall) begin to vote their pockets and dump the occupied statelet.
Willie Frazer | Feb 09, 2013, 11:30 PM EST
Thats it Puffin, a think ye are trying tae take a hand af me and am not going to fall for it.Im not the kind af a person that takes easily to winding up and a have better things tae do.What would you know about 1926, nothing ,admit it ,you are just hashing and giving protestant,dacent protestant people of Ireland a bad name.You belong in Balllymacool estate along with them other fixers and trouble makers.
puffin | Feb 09, 2013, 04:24 PM EST
MARC I think if you think that Northern Prods will make any difference to the governance of a unitary state you are mistaken,in 1926 protestants made 10% of the Republic,where are they now,in a unitary state Prods would 11% of the Population sounds familiar, from an economic point of view 2 billion euro to party with,you might as well it won't be about much longer
puffin | Feb 09, 2013, 03:08 PM EST
Ireland North for the sake of argument lets split Norther Irish only,50~50 give or take 5% does that change any thing
IrelandNorth | Feb 09, 2013, 03:00 PM EST
I've finally achieved bi-location. Puffin thinks I'm a Democrat Yank. Realist thinks I'm a Connolly Hse narrator. Rather than me not mentioning Northern Ireland (NI) only status, I've already posted that BBC/Ipsos/MORI, 2013 completely ignored this designation entirely, forcing respondents into either/or but not both camps. So much so that that 20% Northern Irish only (2011) are probably the same as said they wouldn't vote at all in 2013, being deprived of their identity of choice. Whilst there was commendable overlap in 2011, the main designations were British only (40%)/Irish only (25%)/Northern Ireland only 21%), and 14% none/neither/other/not stated. I actually agreed with your 'hip pocket' hypothesis.
puffin | Feb 09, 2013, 02:19 PM EST
Wullie the ye try te tak the hamely tongue,but ye are nae mackin much o it,the richt spellen o nobody is naebady
Jcs | Feb 09, 2013, 02:12 PM EST
I do believe that the land that was stolen, yes stolen from the Irish by the British and planted with their own pedigree, should now be returned to the Irish and let the Irish determine its future.If those people still living on this stolen land insist on wanting to be British, simple, go live in Britain and let the Irish enjoy the freedom of their own country.
Realist | Feb 09, 2013, 08:42 AM EST
IrelandNorth: Lol….are you in tears my friend? She protests too much. Opting for a British only identity is not the limit of those who are pro the status quo and remaining with the United Kingdom. There was also 21% in the 2011 census that opted for a Northern Irish identity (you didn’t mention that I notice). If you assume they are also pro status quo (not unreasonable as Sinn Fein supporters, like you, cannot bring themselves to use the term “Northern Ireland” never mind “Northern Irish”), together, that makes 61%. Then add a few percent of the pragmatic Irish only identity category and there you have your 65%. Shooting the messenger because you can’t handle the message only further erodes your own credibility. I suggest you go back to Connolly House and ask for a better “narrative”. But then, you know this already, don’t you?
puffin | Feb 09, 2013, 08:23 AM EST
I don't think Willie likes me.
Willie Frazer | Feb 08, 2013, 10:12 PM EST
Mr Puffin ....who do you think you are like, me a decent wee man fae Glenane in Co Antrim, doin nobody nae harm, and you are on here spouting about my religious beliefs.Caught on, Caught on in under gods name, caught on tae what.You try tae desecrate the name of William Frazer you tinker wherever ye are from an I will bring the wrath of the lord himself upon your door.You and your acronyms you filthy scoundrel.Protestant good protestant people wish all souls who ever they may be to RIP, rest in peace but a can tell you are not a good protestant boy Mr Puffin.Damm your soul to the confines of the dark and may you be turned into a pillar of salt,I wud rather hiv my catholic fenian neibors any day rather than your type of protestanism Mr Puffin and aye indeed a united Ireland with my beloved Ulster.
Willie Frazer | Feb 08, 2013, 10:11 PM EST
Mr Puffin ....who do you think you are like, me a decent wee man fae Glenane in Co Antrim, doin nobody nae harm, and you are on here spouting about my religious beliefs.Caught on, Caught on in under gods name, caught on tae what.You try tae desecrate the name of William Frazer you tinker wherever ye are from an I will bring the wrath of the lord himself upon your door.You and your acronyms you filthy scoundrel.Protestant good protestant people wish all souls who ever they may be to RIP, rest in peace but a can tell you are not a good protestant boy Mr Puffin.Damm your soul to the confines of the dark and may you be turned into a pillar of salt,I wud rather hiv my catholic fenian neibors any day rather than your type of protestanism Mr Puffin and aye indeed a united Ireland with my beloved Ulster.
puffin | Feb 08, 2013, 04:35 PM EST
Ireland north calm down,some people who vote for nationalist parties,prefer the link to the UK might even have an emotional attachment, or prefer British civil service pensions, it is not for an American to say,we allo vote with our hip pocket at the end of the day,did you vote Democrat
IrelandNorth | Feb 08, 2013, 02:28 PM EST
If the Northern Ireland Statistics and Research Agency (NIS&RA) Household Survey (HS), 2011 reported 40% identifying as British only, (and presumably pro-United Kingdom (UK)), how can the British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) claim in their recently commissioned Ipsos/MORI opinion poll that 65% are for the UK status quo (a 25% discrepancy only one year later)? If the NIS&RA HS reported 25% identifying as Irish only (and presumable United Irelander's (UIers)), how do the latter claim only 17% are for a UI? And what are BBC/Ipsos/MORIs unaccounted for 19% actually for, the Independent Northern Ireland (INI) that was excluded from consideration? NIS&RAs HS reported only 7% of Prods for a UI and 1% of RCs for the UK. BBC/Ipsos/MORI have some explaining to do as to what the unaccounted for 28% of RCs and 6% of Prods are for.
anglo-norman | Feb 08, 2013, 02:21 PM EST
Steven still can't figure out the capslock thing lol....Grow Up you stupid little man. Irish-Americans are very proud of their Irish Heritage. You wouldn't have had the Celtic Tiger economy without the American companies in Ireland. You wouldn't have Peace in Ireland only for Bill Clinton & co. You lot are steeped in English culture now.
ancavker | Feb 08, 2013, 02:08 PM EST
STEVENSTAR: If it were not for the efforts of dreamy romantic Irish-Americans, you would not have the Good Friday Agreement. 80 plus years of independence and you still cannot get it right! Many of us know far more about Irish culture than many in Ireland do. We were raised to appreciate it. So many in Ireland today are ashamed of it. And I am an Irish born Irish- American. So stop going on with its your culture. The only culture so many Irish care about is English and American popular culture. Go back to your Manchester Utd. and BBC telly shows and all the rest. We Irish in America are now the custodians of Irish culture.
puffin | Feb 08, 2013, 03:08 AM EST
Willie Frazier a prod would never use the acronym RIP.caught on.
puffin | Feb 08, 2013, 03:08 AM EST
Willie Frazier a prod would never use the acronym RIP.caught on.
puffin | Feb 08, 2013, 03:07 AM EST
Willie Frazier a prod would never use the acronym RIP.caught on.
puffin | Feb 08, 2013, 03:05 AM EST
Willie Frazier a prod, would never use the acronym RIP. Caught on.
puffin | Feb 08, 2013, 03:05 AM EST
Willie Frazier a prod, would never use the acronym RIP. Caught on.
puffin | Feb 08, 2013, 03:05 AM EST
Willie Frazier a prod, would never use the acronym RIP. Caught on.
puffin | Feb 08, 2013, 03:05 AM EST
Willie Frazier a prod, would never use the acronym RIP. Caught on.
puffin | Feb 08, 2013, 03:05 AM EST
Willie Frazier a prod, would never use the acronym RIP. Caught on.
puffin | Feb 08, 2013, 03:04 AM EST
Willie Frazier a prod, would never use the acronym RIP. Caught on.
puffin | Feb 08, 2013, 03:04 AM EST
Willie Frazier a prod, would never use the acronym RIP. Caught on.
puffin | Feb 08, 2013, 03:04 AM EST
Willie Frazier a prod, would never use the acronym RIP. Caught on.
curtisjohnson | Feb 07, 2013, 08:54 PM EST
Realist – “curtisjohnson: Why do you hate Protestants?” I don’t – just the hypocritical anglo-materialist version of Protestantism (Calvinism in particular). . I am fine with the movements begun by Luther and his predecessor Savonarola (although the latter is not typically associated with the inception of Protestantism, he was the first major dissenter to the Catholic Church).
STEVENSTAR | Feb 07, 2013, 04:59 PM EST
IRISH UNITY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH AMERICANS .. YOU SHOULD SORT OUT YOUR OWN AFFAIRS...IF YOUR AMERICAN IE YOUR WERE BORN IN AMERICA YOUR HERITAGE IS OF NO IMPORTANCE TO US, ITS NOT RECOGNISED IF ANTY MARYS UNCLE MOVED THERE 100YEARS AGO FROM A VILAGE IN MAYO..ALL THESE MYSTICAL MAGICAL DREAMY DREAMS YOU PEOPLE HAVE OF IREAND IS THAT ITS A MYSTICAL DREAM AND ITS MY OPINION MOST OF THE PEOPLE ON HERE NEED TO WAKE UP TO REALITY AND FOR ONCE LISTEN TO THE OPINION OF AN IRISHMAN ..WHICH I AM BORN AND BRED.
seamus60 | Feb 07, 2013, 01:58 PM EST
JamieLM. Steven most likely worked for one of those American firms who were a dime a dozen during the Celtic Tiger and is having great difficulty accepting that as charity begins at home they had to re-locate. Possably made worse by the fact that when he tryed to get his old chambermaids job back, it was already filled by an African on half the money for double the hours.
barnie4001 | Feb 07, 2013, 01:17 PM EST
yes it is but get rid of the polititions first
barnie4001 | Feb 07, 2013, 01:14 PM EST
Ireland needs another revolution to rid the country of corrupt polititions bankers and property speculaters
Realist | Feb 07, 2013, 04:02 AM EST
"The time for Irish unity is now"? I suggest you consult the results of the latest poll on that issue....lol.
Realist | Feb 07, 2013, 03:57 AM EST
curtisjohnson: Why do you hate Protestants?
IrelandNorth | Feb 07, 2013, 03:24 AM EST
The inconvenient truth is that there is a defacto United Ireland (UI) as it stands within the European Union (EU). Last year, both America and China cautioned against Ireland's EU secessionism. Its one thing if the currently constituted Anglo-centric United Kingdom (UK) wants to pull out of the EU. But where will that leave Welsh, Scottish and Northern Irish (NI) devolutionist/neo-nationalist/pro-Europeans who don't necessarily share neo-imperial Rule Britannia-ery or Little England-ery. At the end of the day, it's really a struggle between the £ and €. My confirmation money's on the latter.
curtisjohnson | Feb 06, 2013, 08:22 PM EST
For all its faults, the Catholic Church is still preferable to degenerate anglo-dutch protestantism and its materialist Calvinist roots (which do fit nicely into the petty shop keeper anglo mindset). Aside from the puritan mass murdering pscyho-paths, the spectrum of british protestantism includes a state sponsored "Church" that owned, bred, and branded slaves (query whether this thieving criminal enterprise will ever repay the tithes it stole from the Irish people).
curtisjohnson | Feb 06, 2013, 08:22 PM EST
For all its faults, the Catholic Church is still preferable to degenerate anglo-dutch protestantism and its materialist Calvinist roots (which do fit nicely into the petty shop keeper anglo mindset). Aside from the puritan mass murdering pscyho-paths, the spectrum of british protestantism includes a state sponsored "Church" that owned, bred, and branded slaves (query whether this thieving criminal enterprise will ever repay the tithes it stole from the Irish people).
casualMBA | Feb 06, 2013, 05:49 PM EST
STEVENSTAR, take a chill pill "...about your Irishness" issues. Rumors say Spain, Italy, and Greece will all be owned by British and Germany bankers real soon. Ireland has no worries, and the Americans will stay out of it.
casualMBA | Feb 06, 2013, 05:42 PM EST
Gearoid4, while you are keeping norm straight, keep in mind it is Society, not Order, of Jesus. You boys drive home slow now.
IrelandNorth | Feb 06, 2013, 02:39 PM EST
C'mon STEVESTAR! We know yer a Norlin Ayrlin fifth columnist masquerading as a southie to sow the seeds of enmity between Irish mainlanders and their diaspora. And son, I told ye before, stop headbuttin' yer laptops' keyboard. You'll invalidate the warranty. "So don't worry - be happy! Ye have a friend in Jesus.
Gearoid4 | Feb 06, 2013, 01:53 PM EST
Well, norm, the Holy Spirit blows where He wills and the documents of Vatican 11 recognize that His influence effects individual believers and movements within the other Christian faiths besides Catholicism. The Charismatic movement among pentacostals and evangelicals would be a prime example of this and their influence since the 60's has spread to the Catholic world. But it can be hard to discern at times if it is the Holy Spirit who is working wonders or maybe self-induced hysteria which is effecting congregations. But Christ only founded one flock and although strong elements exist in other Christian churches and ecclesial communities, the true essence subsists within the Catholic Church despite the transgressions of individual members.
hancock | Feb 06, 2013, 10:53 AM EST
Work In Ireland?
hancock | Feb 06, 2013, 10:09 AM EST
Work in Ireland? THATS A LAUGH.
anglo-norman | Feb 06, 2013, 12:28 AM EST
Gearoid4- What about people of other faiths who have had Holy Ghost experiences?
Gearoid4 | Feb 05, 2013, 05:48 PM EST
Well, norm, The Church will be cleansed as it has been during various points in Her history when greed and corruption have threatened the mission given to Her by Christ. One has only to think of St Francis of Assisi the humble founder of the Franciscan order in the 13th century whom Christ told to "rebuild my Church" or of St Ignatius of Loyola the charismatic and selfless founder of the Order of Jesus(the Jesuits) in the 16th century to see how the Holy Spirit works. Currently we are seeing a new broom sweep through the Church with new appointees succeeding to dioceses/archdioceses across the world who will usher in a new age of authentic renewal As I have said the Church is a mixture of saints and sinners and perfection although striven for is never guaranteed. Christ came for the lost sheep who strayed from the path of righteousness and the Church like individuals, at times has to be purified to find the right way.
anglo-norman | Feb 05, 2013, 05:25 PM EST
Gearoid4-What does the Holy Spirit think about his Church with it;s corruption,greed & criminality?
Gearoid4 | Feb 05, 2013, 04:54 PM EST
I think that your "corpulent" popes reference, Normy, is in relationship to the renaissance popes whose life-styles were somewhat hedonistic. But popes were or are not guaranteed to be paragons of virtue(as much as we would like it) in as much as they are flesh and blood like ourselves but the Holy Spirit has been given to the Church to guide the papal office to make sure that those who hold it do not teach anything that is contrary to the deposit of Faith given to the Church by Christ.
STEVENSTAR | Feb 05, 2013, 04:36 PM EST
@@jamieLM | Feb 05, 2013, 10:27 AM EST YOUR MISSING THE POING WE DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR IRISH ANCESTARY.. THATS YOUR CONCERNS...AND ALL THATS WORTH TO MOST IRISH IS 'TOURIST DOLLARS; The same as we get tourist all over Europe, England, Spain, Germany.. Do you realise you call yourself Irish American that if you wanted to come to live in Ireland or work in ireland tomorrow you cannot do so.. All Americans be they Irish Decent, Dutch decent, or decended from Mars you can only come into Ireland on a 90 holiday Visa and leave again... If you were born in London of no Irish ancestary you can come here live here work here and stay forever.. So how does that make you feel about your irishness ? Just a thought !!!BUT THATS THE FACTS
anglo-norman | Feb 05, 2013, 04:32 PM EST
The True Faith my ass... "corpulent" Popes?
Gearoid4 | Feb 05, 2013, 04:29 PM EST
The Scottish referendum to decide the fate of that particular country in 2014 will set the proverbial cat amongst the constitutional pidgins which will have repercussions for the north of Ireland.
Gearoid4 | Feb 05, 2013, 03:48 PM EST
Sorry anglo, the Irish people would not go with the state church founded by a corpulent English king in the 16th century who took liberties with the Church's divorce code and expected the Church in turn to grant him his wishes. They have stayed down the centuries with the True Faith, although in recent years this relationship has undergone very severe strain.
Smyrnian | Feb 05, 2013, 03:29 PM EST
Stevenstar sounds like an ignorant blowhard. He needs anger management, get back on his meds and get an education. Ps he also needs to figure out how to find the all caps key and turn it off but that may well be beyond his ability. I would like to see him spew that nonsense in the States or face to face to an American anywhere; likely get his bottom smacked.
Joe Glackin | Feb 05, 2013, 01:39 PM EST
It may come as a surprise to some but ,what will Ireland be United as.Its plain to be seen that Europe is pressing ahead without much publicity in manipulating circumstances that look like United Federal European States system .Like the United States of Europe (USE).When you see the circumstances by which the Celtic Tiger developed and ended with a totally bankrupt destroyed Country . The Govt ,Greedy Builders etc were blamed. Who advised the Govt and provided loans, but your Banks.Who financed and advised the Irish Banks.Mainly British,German etc. Who controls these Banks. Theres a lot of questions here regarding the future of Ireland as being United ,as what,to whom ,. If we get the answer for what and whom,then no need to ask , why or how. Just an observation.
anglo-norman | Feb 05, 2013, 01:20 PM EST
If the Irish people had embraced the Reformation then we would have a United Ireland today.
lokionline | Feb 05, 2013, 01:02 PM EST
The loss of status of the Catholic church in the Republic is beginning to remove one of the most intractable barriers to a united Ireland.
casualMBA | Feb 05, 2013, 11:09 AM EST
@stevenstar All Caps, best wishes on the sentiments directed at Irish Americans. Americans have been known to speak English as well, and to do a supportive thing or two for Britain and Ireland.
casualMBA | Feb 05, 2013, 11:05 AM EST
@stevenstar All Caps, best wishes on the language (Americans speak English as well) you are using to Irish Americans. Do you hear yourself? Try reading aloud.
jamieLM | Feb 05, 2013, 10:27 AM EST
@stevenstar All Caps, if you have no interest in America, then why don't you keep all your insulting remarks and opinions about America and Americans to yourself??? Take your own advice and MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS and stop telling Americans what they do and don't know about Ireland. I haven't read where any one in Ireland appointed you their official spokesman for the entire country, so you don't speak for anyone in Ireland, except yourself. We Americans of Irish ancestry will think and do whatever we like and there's nothing you can say or do to stop us, so get over yourself.
Willie Frazer | Feb 05, 2013, 10:19 AM EST
God knows you are right Steven, a heard that too that the free state is in an awful mess and people lavin in their thousands.But a honestly do think Steven she would be stronger if she was united.The Americans are a wee bit loud surely Steven but in all fairness the world needs them including Ireland ,especially when she is united.I think it is time to pray STEVEN, if ye want to pray with me.Lord delivers us from the throes of danger,especially our brethern in the free state, at this dark time.Amen
STEVENSTAR | Feb 05, 2013, 09:32 AM EST
AMERICANS HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO BUSINESS MEDDLING IN IRISH AFFAIRS... ITS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS UNLESS YOU LIVE IN IRELAND YOU WORK HERE AND YOU PAY TAXES HERE AND CONTRIBUTE TO OUR SOCIETY IF YOU DONT THEN ITS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS...SOUTHERN IRELAND IS UPTO ITS EYES IN DEBT WE CAN HARDLY AFFORD TO KEEP THE SOUTH RUNNING CLOSING ALL THE POLICE STATIONS, HOSPITALS PAYING BILLIONS IN WELFARE TO HALF EASTERN EUROPE WE NOW HAVE SO MANY NEW EU LAWS AND REGULATIONS HERE ITS INSANE.. WE ARE NOT AN INDEPENDENT COUNTRY WE ARE NOW RUN BY THE EU AND THE GERMANS..THE EU IS RUINING IRELANND AND..I'M NOT EUROPEAN IM IRISH ..THATS WHY ITS IN IRELANDS BEST INTERESTS TO CONTINUE TO FORGE LINKS WITH THE UK AND GET CLOSER NOT DISTANCE OURSELVES FROM OUR BIGGEST TRADING PARTNER & A COUNTRY AND CULTURE SO SIMILAR TO US.. AND WHEN IN RECESSION THE UK IS THE ONE PLACE MOST IRISH CAN MOVE TO WHERE WE SPEAK THE SAME LANGUAGE... HOW DARE AMERICANS AND THEIR OPINONS SAY WHATS BEST FOR IRELAND WHEN YOU LIVE ON A DIFFERENT CONTINENT WITH A 6-8 HOUR TIME DIFFERECE AND A CULTURE SO DIFFERENT TO OURS YOU DONT HAVE A CLUE WHAT GOES ON IN IRELAND ..WE IRISH ARE MORE THEN SHAMROCKS GUINNESS, AND KISS ME IM IRISH HATS..SO PLEASE MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT MY COUNTRY AND I HAVE VERY LITTLE INTEREST IN YOURS..
IrelandNorth | Feb 05, 2013, 03:50 AM EST
To paraphrase Sir Winston Lord Churchill's secret breve wartime telegram to De Valera offering hi the 6 countie back in return for surrendering Ireland's neutrality: "Now is the time [this decade of centenaries!]. Now or never. A nation once again!" Macroeconomic expediency dictates the end of partition by 2022.
RedBranch | Feb 04, 2013, 08:38 PM EST
Get back to me in a couple of Generations Marc!
casualMBA | Feb 04, 2013, 06:54 PM EST
The 1904 Zionist vision may not be germane. Irish unity "...by the middle of the century..." may be a moot point without a near urgent commitment to revising Ireland's current policy of disintegrating Ireland's cultural integrity.
Seanmor | Feb 04, 2013, 06:53 PM EST
Gordon:The Ireland in which I was raised in the '40s and '50s is a very different place from the Ireland of today. My own close relatives seem bored when I play tapes of Irish music, discuss Irish hidtory, especially as it applies to the Sic Counties, and I expose my self to ridicule when I use cúpla focal Gaeilge.I feel very muchn a stranger in Ireland these days.
Seanmor | Feb 04, 2013, 06:52 PM EST
Gordon:The Ireland in which I was raised in the '40s and '50s is a very different place from the Ireland of today. My own close relatives seem bored when I play tapes of Irish music, discuss Irish hidtory, especially as it applies to the Sic Counties, and I expose my self to ridicule when I use cúpla focal Gaeilge.
Seanmor | Feb 04, 2013, 06:52 PM EST
Gordon:The Ireland in which I was raised in the '40s and '50s is a very different place from the Ireland of today. My own close relatives seem bored when I play tapes of Irish music, discuss Irish hidtory, especially as it applies to the Sic Counties, and I expose my self to ridicule when I use cúpla focal Gaeilge.
Seanmor | Feb 04, 2013, 06:52 PM EST
Gordon:The Ireland in which I was raised in the '40s and '50s is a very different place from the Ireland of today. My own close relatives seem bored when I play tapes of Irish music, discuss Irish hidtory, especially as it applies to the Sic Counties, and I expose my self to ridicule when I use cúpla focal Gaeilge.
Seanmor | Feb 04, 2013, 06:52 PM EST
Gordon:The Ireland in which I was raised in the '40s and '50s is a very different place from the Ireland of today. My own close relatives seem bored when I play tapes of Irish music, discuss Irish hidtory, especially as it applies to the Sic Counties, and I expose my self to ridicule when I use cúpla focal Gaeilge.
Seanmor | Feb 04, 2013, 06:52 PM EST
Gordon:The Ireland in which I was raised in the '40s and '50s is a very different place from the Ireland of today. My own close relatives seem bored when I play tapes of Irish music, discuss Irish hidtory, especially as it applies to the Sic Counties, and I expose my self to ridicule when I use cúpla focal Gaeilge.
Seanmor | Feb 04, 2013, 06:51 PM EST
Gordon:The Ireland in which I was raised in the '40s and '50s is a very different place from the Ireland of today. My own close relatives seem bored when I play tapes of Irish music, discuss Irish hidtory, especially as it applies to the Sic Counties, and I expose my self to ridicule when I use cúpla focal Gaeilge. In 20o9 I visited the North for the first time ever, accompanied by my wife, a New England Methodist with family links to Belfast. For the past several months the gov't of the South has tried to encourage the Diaspora Irish to visit Ireland for the "Gatherings' this year. Since I have connections in both parts of my beloved homeland agus is féidir liom beagánaín Gaelige a úsáid, do the tourists officials in the South want me and my wife to attend the "gatherings'?
Seanmor | Feb 04, 2013, 06:51 PM EST
Gordon:The Ireland in which I was raised in the '40s and '50s is a very different place from the Ireland of today. My own close relatives seem bored when I play tapes of Irish music, discuss Irish hidtory, especially as it applies to the Sic Counties, and I expose my self to ridicule when I use cúpla focal Gaeilge. In 20o9 I visited the North for the first time ever, accompanied by my wife, a New England Methodist with family links to Belfast. For the past several months the gov't of the South has tried to encourage the Diaspora Irish to visit Ireland for the "Gatherings' this year. Since I have connections in both parts of my beloved homeland agus is féidir liom beagánaín Gaelige a úsáid, do the tourists officials in the South want me and my wife to attend the "gatherings'?
Seanmor | Feb 04, 2013, 06:51 PM EST
Gordon:The Ireland in which I was raised in the '40s and '50s is a very different place from the Ireland of today. My own close relatives seem bored when I play tapes of Irish music, discuss Irish hidtory, especially as it applies to the Sic Counties, and I expose my self to ridicule when I use cúpla focal Gaeilge. In 20o9 I visited the North for the first time ever, accompanied by my wife, a New England Methodist with family links to Belfast. For the past several months the gov't of the South has tried to encourage the Diaspora Irish to visit Ireland for the "Gatherings' this year. Since I have connections in both parts of my beloved homeland agus is féidir liom beagánaín Gaelige a úsáid, do the tourists officials in the South want me and my wife to attend the "gatherings'?
Seanmor | Feb 04, 2013, 06:51 PM EST
Gordon:The Ireland in which I was raised in the '40s and '50s is a very different place from the Ireland of today. My own close relatives seem bored when I play tapes of Irish music, discuss Irish hidtory, especially as it applies to the Sic Counties, and I expose my self to ridicule when I use cúpla focal Gaeilge. In 20o9 I visited the North for the first time ever, accompanied by my wife, a New England Methodist with family links to Belfast. For the past several months the gov't of the South has tried to encourage the Diaspora Irish to visit Ireland for the "Gatherings' this year. Since I have connections in both parts of my beloved homeland agus is féidir liom beagánaín Gaelige a úsáid, do the tourists officials in the South want me and my wife to attend the "gatherings'?
Seanmor | Feb 04, 2013, 06:50 PM EST
Gordon:The Ireland in which I was raised in the '40s and '50s is a very different place from the Ireland of today. My own close relatives seem bored when I play tapes of Irish music, discuss Irish hidtory, especially as it applies to the Sic Counties, and I expose my self to ridicule when I use cúpla focal Gaeilge. In 20o9 I visited the North for the first time ever, accompanied by my wife, a New England Methodist with family links to Belfast. For the past several months the gov't of the South has tried to encourage the Diaspora Irish to visit Ireland for the "Gatherings' this year. Since I have connections in both parts of my beloved homeland agus is féidir liom beagánaín Gaelige a úsáid, do the tourists officials in the South want me and my wife to attend the "gatherings'?
Seanmor | Feb 04, 2013, 06:50 PM EST
Gordon:The Ireland in which I was raised in the '40s and '50s is a very different place from the Ireland of today. My own close relatives seem bored when I play tapes of Irish music, discuss Irish hidtory, especially as it applies to the Sic Counties, and I expose my self to ridicule when I use cúpla focal Gaeilge. In 20o9 I visited the North for the first time ever, accompanied by my wife, a New England Methodist with family links to Belfast. For the past several months the gov't of the South has tried to encourage the Diaspora Irish to visit Ireland for the "Gatherings' this year. Since I have connections in both parts of my beloved homeland agus is féidir liom beagánaín Gaelige a úsáid, do the tourists officials in the South want me and my wife to attend the "gatherings'?
Seanmor | Feb 04, 2013, 06:50 PM EST
Gordon:The Ireland in which I was raised in the '40s and '50s is a very different place from the Ireland of today. My own close relatives seem bored when I play tapes of Irish music, discuss Irish hidtory, especially as it applies to the Sic Counties, and I expose my self to ridicule when I use cúpla focal Gaeilge. In 20o9 I visited the North for the first time ever, accompanied by my wife, a New England Methodist with family links to Belfast. For the past several months the gov't of the South has tried to encourage the Diaspora Irish to visit Ireland for the "Gatherings' this year. Since I have connections in both parts of my beloved homeland agus is féidir liom beagánaín Gaelige a úsáid, do the tourists officials in the South want me and my wife to attend the "gatherings'?
Seanmor | Feb 04, 2013, 06:50 PM EST
Gordon:The Ireland in which I was raised in the '40s and '50s is a very different place from the Ireland of today. My own close relatives seem bored when I play tapes of Irish music, discuss Irish hidtory, especially as it applies to the Sic Counties, and I expose my self to ridicule when I use cúpla focal Gaeilge. In 20o9 I visited the North for the first time ever, accompanied by my wife, a New England Methodist with family links to Belfast. For the past several months the gov't of the South has tried to encourage the Diaspora Irish to visit Ireland for the "Gatherings' this year. Since I have connections in both parts of my beloved homeland agus is féidir liom beagánaín Gaelige a úsáid, do the tourists officials in the South want me and my wife to attend the "gatherings'?
Seanmor | Feb 04, 2013, 06:50 PM EST
Gordon:The Ireland in which I was raised in the '40s and '50s is a very different place from the Ireland of today. My own close relatives seem bored when I play tapes of Irish music, discuss Irish hidtory, especially as it applies to the Sic Counties, and I expose my self to ridicule when I use cúpla focal Gaeilge. In 20o9 I visited the North for the first time ever, accompanied by my wife, a New England Methodist with family links to Belfast. For the past several months the gov't of the South has tried to encourage the Diaspora Irish to visit Ireland for the "Gatherings' this year. Since I have connections in both parts of my beloved homeland agus is féidir liom beagánaín Gaelige a úsáid, do the tourists officials in the South want me and my wife to attend the "gatherings'?
Seanmor | Feb 04, 2013, 06:50 PM EST
Gordon:The Ireland in which I was raised in the '40s and '50s is a very different place from the Ireland of today. My own close relatives seem bored when I play tapes of Irish music, discuss Irish hidtory, especially as it applies to the Sic Counties, and I expose my self to ridicule when I use cúpla focal Gaeilge. In 20o9 I visited the North for the first time ever, accompanied by my wife, a New England Methodist with family links to Belfast. For the past several months the gov't of the South has tried to encourage the Diaspora Irish to visit Ireland for the "Gatherings' this year. Since I have connections in both parts of my beloved homeland agus is féidir liom beagánaín Gaelige a úsáid, do the tourists officials in the South want me and my wife to attend the "gatherings'?
Seanmor | Feb 04, 2013, 06:50 PM EST
Gordon:The Ireland in which I was raised in the '40s and '50s is a very different place from the Ireland of today. My own close relatives seem bored when I play tapes of Irish music, discuss Irish hidtory, especially as it applies to the Sic Counties, and I expose my self to ridicule when I use cúpla focal Gaeilge. In 20o9 I visited the North for the first time ever, accompanied by my wife, a New England Methodist with family links to Belfast. For the past several months the gov't of the South has tried to encourage the Diaspora Irish to visit Ireland for the "Gatherings' this year. Since I have connections in both parts of my beloved homeland agus is féidir liom beagánaín Gaelige a úsáid, do the tourists officials in the South want me and my wife to attend the "gatherings'?
Seanmor | Feb 04, 2013, 06:50 PM EST
Gordon:The Ireland in which I was raised in the '40s and '50s is a very different place from the Ireland of today. My own close relatives seem bored when I play tapes of Irish music, discuss Irish hidtory, especially as it applies to the Sic Counties, and I expose my self to ridicule when I use cúpla focal Gaeilge. In 20o9 I visited the North for the first time ever, accompanied by my wife, a New England Methodist with family links to Belfast. For the past several months the gov't of the South has tried to encourage the Diaspora Irish to visit Ireland for the "Gatherings' this year. Since I have connections in both parts of my beloved homeland agus is féidir liom beagánaín Gaelige a úsáid, do the tourists officials in the South want me and my wife to attend the "gatherings'?
Seanmor | Feb 04, 2013, 06:50 PM EST
Gordon:The Ireland in which I was raised in the '40s and '50s is a very different place from the Ireland of today. My own close relatives seem bored when I play tapes of Irish music, discuss Irish hidtory, especially as it applies to the Sic Counties, and I expose my self to ridicule when I use cúpla focal Gaeilge. In 20o9 I visited the North for the first time ever, accompanied by my wife, a New England Methodist with family links to Belfast. For the past several months the gov't of the South has tried to encourage the Diaspora Irish to visit Ireland for the "Gatherings' this year. Since I have connections in both parts of my beloved homeland agus is féidir liom beagánaín Gaelige a úsáid, do the tourists officials in the South want me and my wife to attend the "gatherings'?
Seanmor | Feb 04, 2013, 06:50 PM EST
Gordon:The Ireland in which I was raised in the '40s and '50s is a very different place from the Ireland of today. My own close relatives seem bored when I play tapes of Irish music, discuss Irish hidtory, especially as it applies to the Sic Counties, and I expose my self to ridicule when I use cúpla focal Gaeilge. In 20o9 I visited the North for the first time ever, accompanied by my wife, a New England Methodist with family links to Belfast. For the past several months the gov't of the South has tried to encourage the Diaspora Irish to visit Ireland for the "Gatherings' this year. Since I have connections in both parts of my beloved homeland agus is féidir liom beagánaín Gaelige a úsáid, do the tourists officials in the South want me and my wife to attend the "gatherings'?
Seanmor | Feb 04, 2013, 06:50 PM EST
Gordon:The Ireland in which I was raised in the '40s and '50s is a very different place from the Ireland of today. My own close relatives seem bored when I play tapes of Irish music, discuss Irish hidtory, especially as it applies to the Sic Counties, and I expose my self to ridicule when I use cúpla focal Gaeilge. In 20o9 I visited the North for the first time ever, accompanied by my wife, a New England Methodist with family links to Belfast. For the past several months the gov't of the South has tried to encourage the Diaspora Irish to visit Ireland for the "Gatherings' this year. Since I have connections in both parts of my beloved homeland agus is féidir liom beagánaín Gaelige a úsáid, do the tourists officials in the South want me and my wife to attend the "gatherings'?
Seanmor | Feb 04, 2013, 06:50 PM EST
Gordon:The Ireland in which I was raised in the '40s and '50s is a very different place from the Ireland of today. My own close relatives seem bored when I play tapes of Irish music, discuss Irish hidtory, especially as it applies to the Sic Counties, and I expose my self to ridicule when I use cúpla focal Gaeilge. In 20o9 I visited the North for the first time ever, accompanied by my wife, a New England Methodist with family links to Belfast. For the past several months the gov't of the South has tried to encourage the Diaspora Irish to visit Ireland for the "Gatherings' this year. Since I have connections in both parts of my beloved homeland agus is féidir liom beagánaín Gaelige a úsáid, do the tourists officials in the South want me and my wife to attend the "gatherings'?
warrenpoint00 | Feb 04, 2013, 06:10 PM EST
It is another place, Gordon,it is the free state, the problem is that there is not much free about the place.
Gordan Duggan | Feb 04, 2013, 02:08 PM EST
I don't recognise the Ireland I live in from some of the comments on this site. it sounds like another place.
Seanmor | Feb 04, 2013, 09:10 AM EST
Stevie: I don't blame you or anyone else who condems those who resisted British rule in the Northeast corner of Ireland during the 30 years of the 'Troubles" (late '60s to laste '90s). During all that period the mainstream media, especially in Southern Ireland, were unrelenting in their condemnation of any Nationalist in the occupied area who so much as mentioned the blatent injustice inflicted on the minority population since the establishment of the Six County state. The first mass killings occurred on the 2nd weekend of Aug., 1971, when British Paras shot dead 9 Nationalists in Belfast, including a mother of 9 children, and Catholic priest Fr. Hugh Mullan. Six and a half months later, the Paras killed 13 civil rights marchers in Derry, 7 of whom were aged 17. These killings, according to British P.M. Cameron, were "unjustified" and "unjustifiable". Yet ere are those who steadfastly refuse to admit any wrongdoing on the part of the par the "security forces".
Gearoid4 | Feb 03, 2013, 08:44 PM EST
A very cogent and well argued piece from Steven who recognizes the ridiculous nature of competing systems concerning tax, health, education and other spheres of human life, in a divided Island nation. He makes sound arguments for unification based on economic, social and national perspectives. Hi Stevenstar, get your Caps lock problem sorted, as your commentaries have the feel of someone shouting over everyone else in an immature manner.
Gearoid4 | Feb 03, 2013, 08:43 PM EST
A very cogent and well argued piece from Steven who recognizes the ridiculous nature of competing systems concerning tax, health, education and other spheres of human life, in a divided Island nature. He makes sound arguments for unification based on economic, social and national perspectives. Hi Stevenstar, get your Caps lock problem sorted, as your commentaries have the feel of someone shouting over everyone else in an immature manner.
Gearoid4 | Feb 03, 2013, 08:41 PM EST
A very cogent and well argued piece from Steven who recognizes the ridiculous nature of competing systems concerning tax, health, education and other spheres of human life, in a divided Island nature. He makes sound arguments for unification based on economic, social and national perspectives.
anglo-norman | Feb 03, 2013, 06:43 PM EST
Again Steven can't figure out the capslock thing...lol
STEVENSTAR | Feb 03, 2013, 05:34 PM EST
REALLY ? WHY SHOULD AMERICANS THINK IT'S TIME FOR IRISH UNITY WHEN IM IRISH I LIVE IN IRELAND AND I HAVE AN IRISH PASSPORT AND PAY MY TAXES ...ITS GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH AMERICANS...WE'RE HAPPY THE WAY THINGS ARE!
STEVENSTAR | Feb 03, 2013, 05:34 PM EST
REALLY ? WHY SHOULD AMERICANS THINK IT'S TIME FOR IRISH UNITY WHEN IM IRISH I LIVE IN IRELAND AND I HAVE AN IRISH PASSPORT AND PAY MY TAXES ...ITS GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH AMERICANS...WE'RE HAPPY THE WAY THINGS ARE!!!
STEVENSTAR | Feb 03, 2013, 05:33 PM EST
REALLY ? WHY SHOULD AMERICANS THINK IT'S TIME FOR IRISH UNITY WHEN IM IRISH I LIVE IN IRELAND AND I HAVE AN IRISH PASSPORT AND PAY MY TAXES ...ITS GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH AMERICANS...WE'RE HAPPY THE WAY THINGS ARE!!!
STEVENSTAR | Feb 03, 2013, 05:33 PM EST
REALLY ? WHY SHOULD AMERICANS THINK IT'S TIME FOR IRISH UNITY WHEN IM IRISH I LIVE IN IRELAND AND I HAVE AN IRISH PASSPORT AND PAY MY TAXES ...ITS GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH AMERICANS...WE'RE HAPPY THE WAY THINGS ARE!!!
STEVENSTAR | Feb 03, 2013, 05:33 PM EST
REALLY ? WHY SHOULD AMERICANS THINK IT'S TIME FOR IRISH UNITY WHEN IM IRISH I LIVE IN IRELAND AND I HAVE AN IRISH PASSPORT AND PAY MY TAXES ...ITS GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH AMERICANS...WE'RE HAPPY THE WAY THINGS ARE!!!
hancock | Feb 03, 2013, 03:34 PM EST
A lot of funding for the IRA came from England too. Stop blaming Americans for everything. You're like a bunch of 5 year olds.
hancock | Feb 03, 2013, 03:34 PM EST
A lot of funding for the IRA came from England too. Stop blaming Americans for everything. You're like a bunch of 5 year olds.
WoundedKnee | Feb 03, 2013, 02:48 PM EST
jcs: "the security of the European Union". You mean the security the hooker feels because she is being "protected" by her pimp?
Stevie B | Feb 03, 2013, 01:32 PM EST
"the idea that one moves from one nationality when moving from Dundalk (in the south) to Newry (a few mile away in the North) is nonsense". Do you apply this to Niagara Falls and all along the USA/Canada border? By all means lets have an united Ireland WITHIN the United Kingdom, after all Ireland is now being governed by the German's and French. What has ROI to offer Northern Ireland's Protestants and also Catholics, free health care- NO, better health service-NO, free welfare benefits- NO, better economy - NO. If Ireland is so good then why oh why does everyone leave. As one other commented about Americans "butting out" dont forget that Irish Americans funded the irish terrorist for years and vastly contributed to the slaughter of innocent men, women and children of ALL faiths AND STILL collect for them. Once again show us WHY we should unite and if ever it comes then change of flag and national anthem is a basic starting point.
Seanmor | Feb 03, 2013, 01:17 PM EST
The "island" which is mentioned several times in this article has a name; it was known as IRELAND and treated as a ingle political entity by morarchs and governments in London for over 7 centuriers before Partition was inposed on it in 1920, despite the wishes of almotst 80% of its people. During the past 40 years or so, few politicians in the Dáil have made any attempt to encourage the Northern Loyalists into a Reunited Ireland.
IrelandNorth | Feb 03, 2013, 05:42 AM EST
Admittedly, enforced unionism is an oxymoron. But can one be truly independent in an interdependent world. Arthur Griffith, founder of the Sínn Féin political party, believed that you weren't truly independent unless you were economically so. Imperialism and democracy are mutually exclusive.
Smyrnian | Feb 02, 2013, 05:07 PM EST
Jcs - union with anything never equals independence.
IrelandNorth | Feb 02, 2013, 02:56 PM EST
The writing's on the wall, guys. Kilroy woz 'ere! We need to get away from majorities vs minorities and think more about proportionalies. Planter stock are a larger minority in the Island of Ireland than they are on the Island of Great Britain. Meeting each other hald way is the idel solution. A provincially federated Ireland, in a loose confederation with a federated Great Britain, in strategic economic alliance in the European Union, and partnership of ewquals in the Commonwealth of Nations is the most amicable compromise to the political perdition of partition.
Willie Frazer | Feb 02, 2013, 02:03 PM EST
I honestly believe that it is only a matter of time before she is united.I will no be to happy to see my beloved Ulster go but as a free presbyterian a must accept it.Now I am not one or indeed are my family for sharing the world with inyone ,but a must say,the time is right for God,Ulster and Ireland tae unite.God protect us and save us and direct us on our humble path to glory.AMEN
anglo-norman | Feb 02, 2013, 01:01 PM EST
Sevenstar stills hasn't figured out the capslock thing yet...So Bill Clinton should have butted out of Irish affairs back in the day which led to Peace in Ireland?
Jcs | Feb 02, 2013, 10:12 AM EST
Ireland was never independent to begin with Symiman, it has economically and socially always been enslaved by the presence of its neighbor Britain.Maybe the Irish now have a vision of Independence through the security of the European Union.
Smyrnian | Feb 02, 2013, 07:40 AM EST
Ireland lost its independence years ago with the European Union: economic union, then political union and then the social union which they are experiencing now.
seamus60 | Feb 02, 2013, 05:32 AM EST
Jcs. Have you really not caught on yet. It doesn`t matter a fiddlers elbow what we think about viable economics. Knock yourself out on feel good factor but when it wears off because of the reality with those minority British Protestants (who also live here in Ireland) and their ability to veto the majoritys feel good factor as laid out in a certain agreement, We`d be better all trying to learn hypnopherapy.
Willie Frazer | Feb 01, 2013, 10:05 PM EST
My granda told me that Ireland was pillaged and raped by Britian. The Free Sate in Ireland is the off spring of that brutal rape and ithe free state is now the bastard child of Britian.Now my granda never lied in his life and a beleive him.RIP Granda
Jcs | Feb 01, 2013, 07:05 PM EST
Not too many optimistic posters on this thread, i am glad they are in the minority as they would be if they were living in Ireland where the vast majority see a united Ireland a more viable option economically .
STEVENSTAR | Feb 01, 2013, 06:44 PM EST
I WISH AMERICANS WOULD 'BUTT' OUT OF IRISH AFFAIRS AND MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS ... ITS TIME FOR YOU STO SORT OUT YOUR CRAZY GUN LAWS AND FOCUS ON LIVING IN A SOCIETY WHERE ITS NOT NORMAL FOR PEOPLE TO WALK INTO SCHOOLS AND SHOPPING CENTERS AND SHOOT INNOCENT CHILDREN AND PEOPLE AND FORGET ABOUT WHAT WE ARE DOING OVER HERE IN IRELAND ... AS ITS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS ..CHEERS !!
seamus60 | Feb 01, 2013, 02:10 PM EST
Theres nothing like simplifying things and getting round all the unnecessary hoola above. We just have to hypnotize all these British protestants into believing they`re actually Irish protestants and the rest will come naturally. LOL Poor alians wouldn`t hang about too long.
WoundedKnee | Feb 01, 2013, 01:57 PM EST
This is nonsense. With continued Mass Immigration the island is filling up with people who have no concept of a united Irish nation and could care less. The same goes for the effort (sic) to preserve the Irish language. It's as irrelevant to the foreign migrants as Lakota Sioux is to the people of Minneapolis.
hendy65 | Feb 01, 2013, 08:21 AM EST
ROI,is up to its neck in debts to the eurobanks,does anyone actually believe thats gonna be any better by the middle of this century? Furthermore it has always been said that ROI couldnt afford to keep the north in a re-unified state. How could they possibly give what wewe have here? The dream is still alive for Re-Unification,but thats all it will ever be! And,personally,there is no such thing as being northern Irish.