Northern Irish children tortured to admit to murders

johnymac60: "The English are a disgrace as a race, and I can only feel sorry for their ignorant surrogates - their blind followers"? What a load of bigoted schoolboy nonsense - mind not to choke on your own venom my friend....lol.

@paradigm. You absolutely are talking complete ba11ix. Your ridiculous assertion of the sanctity of the murdering RUC and British Army is exactly what prolongs this agony. Both sides committed crimes - but one side claimed to be the upright Law and Order-everything we do is for your own good-paternalistic and righteous government. The ENGLISH started this and they carried it on well past the time for Irish National Freedom from their greedy clutches. The Anglo-irish war should have ended this. Spliting the country has resulted in nothing but pain and strife. The English are a disgrace as a race, and I can only feel sorry for their ignorant surrogates - their blind followers in the North of our sad land.

Republic facilitates the rendition flow thrus, of humans. The island of Ireland is unfree, a state with its heart torn from its breast left with a headless poodle look - Bard of Armagh, Irish myths of Ulster slave incorporated in a UK oneness ..... England's symbolic claim on Ireland as manifest on their St Patrick's cross on Union Jack and Irish harp on Royal standards, medals, buildings - such flag waving in the breeze across the breath of commonwealth and USA - that sliver of an ireland makes for a honkey dory Anglo-Saxon security. The 30 years of dying yielded nothing. Proof of such will be queenie's visit in eire in 2011. A visit that cements for unawares that Ireland is but an English province/shire.

@automaticlystupid..just shut up

@Dublinass..let me educate you a bit on how things work.Hitler started out with the SA (Brownshirts)..they were lower working class..great for a riot but very undisciplined and had a mind of their own.So when he was done with them he destroyed them..He then formed the SS,very upstanding well educated ,well mannered,disciplined,salt of the earth types,Just like your upstanding group of boys and girls like the "Royal Irish Regiment.Just the type to follow orders like the SS.When an SS officer was asked after he poured the cyanide pellets on top of women and children..why he joined the SS...He said...i joined because they were a better class of people.Dublinass..try not to be too stupid all your life will ya.

Excellent peice Barry.The hyprocritical brit empire claims supremacy in the free world while indulging in inhumane treatment and barbarism toward those from the smaller nations of the world. So much for freedom.Get your filthy personell OUT from a free and dignified nation so they can decide their own destiny in a manner suitable to themselves.The brit empire draws a pararell to that of Hitler and his extreme empire.Go solve your own massive problems in your ragged rotten little empire.

I just wonder, so many Irish people who say they want a united free Ireland. In the Irish republic they have the same freedom as in N.Ireland Free to stay or Free to go.The Irish worker who wants to raise a family with dignity, will move to where he can get a job to provide for his family. The feckless Irish stay where the get the most hand outs (dole) The N.Ireland catholic love their English dole, but they want pride too, and will use the bomb and the bullet, too ignorant to realize the two PRIDE & WELFARE cannot coexist.

@ Paradigm "It was the sacrifice and professionalism of these folk that prevented full-scale civil war". Are you talking about the RUC and the British army, if you are you have alot of explaining to do.

Everyone on both sides has a lot to be ashamed of. Lets all stop now and look to the future with peace and hope of getting along with your neighbors. How about ONE ISLAND, ONE IRELAND.

It appears I have no argument with you then, Paradigm.

You make my point so well 'Searlit' - Women were NOT being oppressed to the point of suicide in Northern Ireland as they are in Afghanistan. They are being persecuted by those who corrupt their children, however. And who is a Foreign Occupier in this age of mobility - today even the American Indians acknowledge that the 'logic' of their position hardly calls for terrorism. Weak analogies - oh dear !!!

Calling it terrorism is what kept the violence going. Oppressed people fighting against a foreign occupier isn't terrorism. The terrorism was brought in by England. Also, Ireland and Afghanistan are not comparable, in any context. Women are being killed, and they are committing suicide, due to the lack of any civil rights in that country. Take this into consideration before you make such weak analogies.

Was there not a terror campaign, did the IRA and the other republican groupings not use torture and the threat of torture to this day to subjugate the nationalist community. So when it comes to terror and torture the IRA and the rest of the republican moment are no shrinking violets. Ask Jean McConville

To clarify 'counter-terrorism' involved the IRA and so-called Loyalists - UDA, UVF, UFF etc - both regularly exploited the young and the emotionally fallible. Now the dissidents are similarly active and the story above is 'grist to their mill'. Do try to be less evocative!!!!

Some of the "logic" applied below suggests that there were no terrorists - so why did 3,600 people die. There WAS terrorism and counter-terrorism for well over 25 years - evil on both sides- evil to match evil. Today's evil is to analyse history on the basis that it was soldiers and police who conspired. Simply untrue and the antithesis of what I experienced from close quarters. It was the sacrifice and professionalism of these folk that prevented full-scale civil war. Put it in the context of Afghanistan and then judge the brave young people who stood between evil and the vulnerable.